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Xheneral/General => Wittenberg => Topic started by: Eðo Grischun on September 12, 2020, 09:48:29 PM

Title: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on September 12, 2020, 09:48:29 PM
Same as last time; Calling the Council of Governors to assemble.  Provincial heads of executive please declare.  Once we have all names we can elect a chair.


Roll call:

Ataturk: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir
Benito: Istefan Perþonest
Cezembre: X. Pol Briga
Fiova: Miestra Shiva
Florencia: Breneir Itravilatx
Maricopa:  Dr. T. Nordselva
Maritiimi-Maxhestic: Alexandreu Davinescu
Vuode: Éovart Grischun
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 12, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
Dr. Nordselva, Premieir of Maricopa.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on September 12, 2020, 10:23:36 PM
Éovart Grischun, Premier of Vuode.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 12, 2020, 10:31:42 PM
Fiova still has no executive nor standing legislative branch. As Secretary of State I'm filling in the gap.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on September 12, 2020, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 12, 2020, 10:31:42 PM
Fiova still has no executive nor standing legislative branch. As Secretary of State I'm filling in the gap.

Noted.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on September 14, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Ataturk is currently holding our elections for Başbakan, and will conclude on the 23rd of September, however their is only one canditate in the race (but even so, according to the consitution of Ataturk, the elections must be held (by my reading)) Myself, i am a bit disappointed in the turnout of the election so far (Espeically as though it is by the consitution, i fear its legitimacy based on the involvment in the provincial Gorvernment we have), but still, this is not the place for that. Anyway it looks likely that I'll remain in the post of  Başbakan of Ataturk if things stay as they are, but will keep this place updated.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on September 14, 2020, 05:30:45 PM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on September 14, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Ataturk is currently holding our elections for Başbakan, and will conclude on the 23rd of September, however their is only one canditate in the race (but even so, according to the consitution of Ataturk, the elections must be held (by my reading)) Myself, i am a bit disappointed in the turnout of the election so far (Espeically as though it is by the consitution, i fear its legitimacy based on the involvment in the provincial Gorvernment we have), but still, this is not the place for that. Anyway it looks likely that I'll remain in the post of  Başbakan of Ataturk if things stay as they are, but will keep this place updated.

Many thanks.  I will leave the roster as is (ie: TBA) until further updates, in line with all you said. 
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Breneir Tzaracomprada on September 14, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
As Governor of Florencia, I will fill the Florencian Council of Governors seat.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Istefan Perþonest on September 14, 2020, 08:21:17 PM
Istefan Perþonest, Maestro of Benito.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on September 23, 2020, 03:09:31 PM
With the election over in Atatürk, i have once again been elected, under our laws, as Başbakan of Atatürk
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 10, 2020, 03:18:43 PM
Bump

M-M and Cezembre, please?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on October 10, 2020, 10:03:03 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 10, 2020, 03:18:43 PM
Bump

M-M and Cezembre, please?

I and others have been reaching out to various authorities since the time I was appointed Senator for the final Clark of the 54th Cosa.  Since the time of the election we have yet to be able to hold forth in l'Etats due to lack of a Seneschal.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Maritiimi-Maxhestic:  @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu, am I correct to assume that as GGS of M-M you will be filling the M-M seat on this council?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:04:17 PM
Fiova:  @Miestră Schivă, UrN : Can I confirm that you will still be filling the seat for your province and that nothing has changed since the last update?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 14, 2020, 11:10:08 PM
Confirmed
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
Cezembre: 

(i) @C.M. Siervicül, I believe you are still Cunstaval of this province.  Would it be possible for you to appoint an executive officer to fill CZ's seat?

(ii) @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu - If I am incorrect about who Cezembre's Cunstaval is, and/or their Cunstaval is officium defuit, would it be possible for you, as Regent, to appoint a new Cunstaval, to in turn appoint an executive?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Maritiimi-Maxhestic:  @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu, am I correct to assume that as GGS of M-M you will be filling the M-M seat on this council?
What is the council for?  I don't know much about it.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
Cezembre: 

(i) @C.M. Siervicül, I believe you are still Cunstaval of this province.  Would it be possible for you to appoint an executive officer to fill CZ's seat?

(ii) @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu - If I am incorrect about who Cezembre's Cunstaval is, and/or their Cunstaval is officium defuit, would it be possible for you, as Regent, to appoint a new Cunstaval, to in turn appoint an executive?
I cannot commit to making such appointments at this time, but I will work on the matter.  I'll let you know as soon as I do.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:37:35 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
Cezembre: 

(i) @C.M. Siervicül, I believe you are still Cunstaval of this province.  Would it be possible for you to appoint an executive officer to fill CZ's seat?

(ii) @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu - If I am incorrect about who Cezembre's Cunstaval is, and/or their Cunstaval is officium defuit, would it be possible for you, as Regent, to appoint a new Cunstaval, to in turn appoint an executive?
I cannot commit to making such appointments at this time, but I will work on the matter.  I'll let you know as soon as I do.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Maritiimi-Maxhestic:  @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu, am I correct to assume that as GGS of M-M you will be filling the M-M seat on this council?
What is the council for?  I don't know much about it.

LEX.D.9 has everything on the Council there is to know, which isn't much, admittedly.  The Interior Minister has a statutory obligation to call the Council to order by the first day of the first Clark and it is composed of the executive officer (be that a Governor, a Premier, a Seneschal, etc.) of each province.  LEX doesn't actually go as far as to say what it's actual purpose is or what it's mission is supposed to be, just that it needs to exist.  It can basically operate in whichever way it likes once it has formed, but I have generally assumed its remit is to discuss intra-provincial matters.

If you are the M-M executive then I would need for you to accept your seat by the end of this month, otherwise I have the power to name any M-M citizen to fill it in place of an absent executive.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Maritiimi-Maxhestic:  @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu, am I correct to assume that as GGS of M-M you will be filling the M-M seat on this council?
What is the council for?  I don't know much about it.

LEX.D.9 has everything on the Council there is to know, which isn't much, admittedly.  The Interior Minister has a statutory obligation to call the Council to order by the first day of the first Clark and it is composed of the executive officer (be that a Governor, a Premier, a Seneschal, etc.) of each province.  LEX doesn't actually go as far as to say what it's actual purpose is or what it's mission is supposed to be, just that it needs to exist.  It can basically operate in whichever way it likes once it has formed, but I have generally assumed its remit is to discuss intra-provincial matters.

If you are the M-M executive then I would need for you to accept your seat by the end of this month, otherwise I have the power to name any M-M citizen to fill it in place of an absent executive.
Well then, I accept this great responsibility.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 15, 2020, 12:27:48 AM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:59:04 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 14, 2020, 11:02:54 PM
Maritiimi-Maxhestic:  @Sir Alexandreu Davinescu, am I correct to assume that as GGS of M-M you will be filling the M-M seat on this council?
What is the council for?  I don't know much about it.

LEX.D.9 has everything on the Council there is to know, which isn't much, admittedly.  The Interior Minister has a statutory obligation to call the Council to order by the first day of the first Clark and it is composed of the executive officer (be that a Governor, a Premier, a Seneschal, etc.) of each province.  LEX doesn't actually go as far as to say what it's actual purpose is or what it's mission is supposed to be, just that it needs to exist.  It can basically operate in whichever way it likes once it has formed, but I have generally assumed its remit is to discuss intra-provincial matters.

If you are the M-M executive then I would need for you to accept your seat by the end of this month, otherwise I have the power to name any M-M citizen to fill it in place of an absent executive.
Well then, I accept this great responsibility.

Roll call updated.  Thanks.

So, it's just Cezembre outstanding then.  If the exec office hasn't been filled by the deadline then I guess I'll take a look through the sub-forum and just appoint whoever appears to be the most active Cezembrean on a provincial level.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 06:42:58 AM
Following Cezembre's election of its Seneschal, we now have a full roster. 

We move to nominations for committee chair.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 12:15:17 PM
I do not second the motion, and offer a contrary one: I move that we adjourn.  The statutory obligation is met and there's no need to nominate and elect someone to do literally nothing.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
That's particularly defeatist.  How about we at least try? There are quite a few highly active people on the membership this term. It is possible that something fruitful ends up coming of it. 

Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on November 26, 2020, 02:14:19 PM
I certainly hope that something does come from it and I oppose the suggestion from Maritiimi-Maxhestic. I have an allergy to "legal box-ticking exercises". That said, I wonder whether the Minister has any conception of what might come from it? Are we going to discuss mergers again, or anything like that?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on November 26, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
Maricopa seconds the motion to nominate a Committee Chair.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
I'm hoping that after we elect the Chair that we will then all have a chance to put suggestions forward for an agenda.

(but, aye.  I'm looking forward to a vigorous discussion on mergers, particularly Vuode and MM).
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Well, S:reu Distain, I gather that yourself and the Seneschal are both interested in discussing provincial mergers within this body.  That initiative is a component of the Government programme.  I'm not saying that you folks are legally acting as the Government here, but I don't see much point in pretending not to notice the obvious.  There's nothing wrong with this, by the way!

Glancing back at the origin of the Council, it was intended as a way for the provinces to "work together for mutual interest," "giving the provinces a united voice when addressing the government of Talossa."  This matches what seems evident from its very nature: it's intended as an institution to allow the provinces to co-ordinate and push back on the Government or Ziu when necessary.  I mean, honestly, does it even make sense otherwise?  If two provinces want to do stuff together, then it makes sense for them to talk to each other.  If people are interested in doing something spanning across the rest of the country on a national level, then they work through the national legislature.  We don't have a very federalized system, so nothing else really makes sense.

But I will cede the point since it really doesn't matter very much, and I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.  Maybe this will jumpstart something, or... I don't know?  Worth a shot, I guess.

I will support the motion to move to nominations for Governor-General, which leaves the measure one vote short of passing by acclaim (four out of eight currently).  I suggest we leave a week for any contrary voices or additional support, and then move to a week-long vote on the motion.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Well, S:reu Distain, I gather that yourself and the Seneschal are both interested in discussing provincial mergers within this body.  That initiative is a component of the Government programme.  I'm not saying that you folks are legally acting as the Government here, but I don't see much point in pretending not to notice the obvious.

Glancing back at the origin of the Council, it was intended as a way for the provinces to "work together for mutual interest," "giving the provinces a united voice when addressing the government of Talossa."  This matches what seems evident from its very nature: it's intended as an institution to allow the provinces to co-ordinate and push back on the Government or Ziu when necessary.  I mean, honestly, does it even make sense otherwise?  If two provinces want to do stuff together, then it makes sense for them to talk to each other.  If people are interested in doing something spanning across the rest of the country on a national level, then they work through the national legislature.  We don't have a very federalized system, so nothing else really makes sense.

But I will cede the point since it really doesn't matter very much, and I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.  I will support the motion to move to nominations for Governor-General, which leaves the measure one vote short of passing by acclaim (four out of eight currently).  I suggest we leave a week for any contrary voices or additional support, and then move to a week-long vote on the motion.

No, we don't need a week long vote just to decide if we are going to open nominations or not.  LEX.9.3 says a Governor-General exists and shall be chosen by majority.  Nominate a name so we can just get on with things.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 10:57:05 PM
Quote from: Eðo Grischun on November 26, 2020, 05:42:42 PM
Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on November 26, 2020, 04:36:38 PM
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Well, S:reu Distain, I gather that yourself and the Seneschal are both interested in discussing provincial mergers within this body.  That initiative is a component of the Government programme.  I'm not saying that you folks are legally acting as the Government here, but I don't see much point in pretending not to notice the obvious.

Glancing back at the origin of the Council, it was intended as a way for the provinces to "work together for mutual interest," "giving the provinces a united voice when addressing the government of Talossa."  This matches what seems evident from its very nature: it's intended as an institution to allow the provinces to co-ordinate and push back on the Government or Ziu when necessary.  I mean, honestly, does it even make sense otherwise?  If two provinces want to do stuff together, then it makes sense for them to talk to each other.  If people are interested in doing something spanning across the rest of the country on a national level, then they work through the national legislature.  We don't have a very federalized system, so nothing else really makes sense.

But I will cede the point since it really doesn't matter very much, and I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.  I will support the motion to move to nominations for Governor-General, which leaves the measure one vote short of passing by acclaim (four out of eight currently).  I suggest we leave a week for any contrary voices or additional support, and then move to a week-long vote on the motion.

No, we don't need a week long vote just to decide if we are going to open nominations or not.  LEX.9.3 says a Governor-General exists and shall be chosen by majority.  Nominate a name so we can just get on with things.
Okay, clearly you have a pretty distinct vision of what you want to accomplish and how, so I'm just going to step back and let you get to it, S:reu Distain. Didn't mean to be a wrench in the works. Carry on.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on November 27, 2020, 01:18:22 AM
I just don't see the need to start inventing unnecessary hurdles that take up even more time.  *shrug*

Convince four of the other members to go full-on Robert's Rules and you got it though.


Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on December 28, 2020, 05:04:26 AM
I nominate XPB for the role of Gov-Gen.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Adam Grigoriu on January 11, 2021, 04:56:54 PM
I have been informed that it is now my role as Interior Minister to organize this Council. The roll has been called, all necessary seats filled, and a chair nominated, so I believe a vote is required. Past that, El Lex is very unclear is to what role, if any the Interior Minster is to play in the functioning of the Council, so unless my involvement is required I shall watch from the sidelines.

Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on January 11, 2021, 07:32:49 PM
I repeat my nomination.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on January 11, 2021, 09:24:59 PM
Point of order - it would seem that one could not be both Cézembre Sénéchal and Governor-General.  As per the CAG (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYkVIvygRUC-TC4NVdKTogfwftJH-XzF/view): Chapter VI- Distribution of Power

Article 18. So that no conflict of interest may occur, and no hostile attempt to take over the province may succeed, no citizen may simultaneously hold the post of Sénéchal or Lord Warden alongside the post of Governor-General without a resolution of l'Etats expressly permitting this combination. The posts of Sénéchal and Lord Warden may be held simultaneously.

One reason for this is listed in Chapter IV- The Governor-General

Article 16. The Governor-General is the representative of the King of Talossa, and as such, shall have veto power over all laws of l'Etats. This veto may be overturned by a two third vote of l'Etats. The Governor-General is appointed by the King pursuant to the Organic Law.

Thus if one were to be Sénéchal and Governor-General -- even if allowed by l'Etats -- that person could double-dip if they were opposed to legislation both on the floor of l'Etats and via a subsequent veto power (as noted, this would not apply to the Lord Warden who is the Senator at the level of the Realm).
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Adam Grigoriu on January 12, 2021, 12:34:23 AM
Given that situation, I reopen the floor for nominations.

That said, given the text of El Lex and the Cézembrian constitution, something doesn't match up here. El Lex states that the Governor-General, in this context, is the leader of the Council elected by the rest of the Council. The Cézembrian constitution refers to a Governor-General appointed by the King under a provision of the OrgLaw that I cannot find. I'm not a lawyer, and especially not the lawyer for the Government, but that doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on January 12, 2021, 07:54:19 AM
Point of order.

It doesn't make much sense because the Governor-General of Cézembre and the Governor-General of this council are two different things.  Cézembre's Governor-General is the Crown's Cunstaval while this council's Governor-General is the chairman of this council.  El Lexhatx also explains that the council is composed of provincial Executives (ie: Cézembre's Sénéchal) whether called Governor or not. 

If S:r Briga is elected to serve as this council's Governor-General, Sir Siervicül would still be Cezembre's Governor-General (the Cunstaval).

A conflict doesn't exist.

I repeat my nomination of XPB for Governor-General (chairman of this council). :)
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 13, 2021, 01:21:11 AM
This is a problem caused by Cezembre's insistence on naming their Constable something funny, lol.

I re-nominate Sir X. Pol Briga as Chair of the Council of Governors.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on January 13, 2021, 07:27:33 AM
I also support the re-nomination of Sir X. Pol Briga as Chair of the Council of Governors
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on January 13, 2021, 07:40:08 AM
Given these clarifications, I accept the nomination and can demonstrate to l'Etats that there are merely semantics involved, rather than some abuse of power.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on January 13, 2021, 07:49:43 AM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on September 14, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Ataturk is currently holding our elections for Başbakan, and will conclude on the 23rd of September, however their is only one canditate in the race (but even so, according to the consitution of Ataturk, the elections must be held (by my reading)) Myself, i am a bit disappointed in the turnout of the election so far (Espeically as though it is by the consitution, i fear its legitimacy based on the involvment in the provincial Gorvernment we have), but still, this is not the place for that. Anyway it looks likely that I'll remain in the post of  Başbakan of Ataturk if things stay as they are, but will keep this place updated.

I note that I was "elected" Cézembre's Sénéchal in an poll that had no other candidate. 

I nominate Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir to be the Chair of the Council of Governors.

Thus, if accepted, both of us can experience at least some type of election, with one selected and perhaps the other to be named vice-chair.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on January 14, 2021, 12:20:58 PM
I move that we request the Ministry of the Interior to conduct an election as described by the member for Cezembre.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Adam Grigoriu on January 14, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
In that case, let the voting begin. If you would rather not have your vote made public, then feel free to PM or email me unless there is a different procedure I am unaware of @Eðo?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on January 14, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
Maricopa casts its vote for Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on January 14, 2021, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: Adam Grigoriu on January 14, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
In that case, let the voting begin. If you would rather not have your vote made public, then feel free to PM or email me unless there is a different procedure I am unaware of @Eðo?

No, everything from this point forward is uncharted territory as far as I know.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Eðo Grischun on January 14, 2021, 07:03:07 PM
Vuode casts its vote for Xhorxh Pol Briga.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on January 14, 2021, 08:12:53 PM
Cézembre casts its vote for Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Istefan Perþonest on January 15, 2021, 07:18:07 PM
Benito casts its vote for Xhorxh Pol Briga.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on January 15, 2021, 08:24:34 PM
Atatürk casts its vote for Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on February 02, 2021, 09:55:27 PM
I withdraw my candidacy for the position,
thus
I believe that would infer that Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir should be elected.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Adam Grigoriu on February 05, 2021, 03:17:28 PM
In that case, I believe @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir is the new Chair of the Council of Governors.
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on March 05, 2021, 12:14:06 AM
Quote from: Adam Grigoriu on February 05, 2021, 03:17:28 PM
In that case, I believe @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir is the new Chair of the Council of Governors.

So will a session be called for said council?   Should such an entity rate a forum?
Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: xpb on April 26, 2021, 11:38:45 PM
I'm supposing this gathering, if ever called, will take place after the next election -- and possibly constituted of a different group of officials.

Title: Re: Calling Council of Governors
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 27, 2021, 06:12:28 AM
I don't think any gathering is going to be called because no one has any business for this group.