Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on September 25, 2020, 03:29:20 PM

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on September 25, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Either way, I have High Hopes we might get some more votes on the final before the deadline.

I see what you did there...and I like it!

We didn't get any more votes though, so apparently the Stones were right after all.

About 7 hours left to vote. Predictions for 15?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfR_HWMzgyc

First voted on by Dieter Vercáriâ for the 2013 edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yCcXgbKrE

First voted on by Çesli da Chilseu for the 2009 edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrTMc2i6Lzc

Nominated by Erschéveþ da Schir for the 2019 edition.

Either way, I have High Hopes we might get some more votes on the final before the deadline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2VZjE6JdHg

Nominated by Ian Plätschisch for the 2017 edition.

This would have gotten 4 points from me if I had voted in round 5.

There is an interesting the contrast between the message of this song and High Hopes. Personally I think this one is healthier in a way, though thats not the reason for my vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv9sDn_2XkI

Nominated by Glüc da Dhi for the 2018 edition.

Voting is still open on the final, where we rank the top 15. Instructions here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=381.msg3686#msg3686 Edit: voting has closed now
I don't think there will be a broadcast so I will just post the results here. Comments/predictions are very welcome.

Also, the results will of course be listed on the wiki as well: http://wiki.talossa.com/Talossan_Music_Top_20

Quote from: Viteu on September 23, 2020, 02:01:19 PM

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on September 23, 2020, 12:58:42 PM
Yeah, AD can be annoying, and an obvious troll sometimes. I wish he said what he meant more often.

You all knew that when you asked him to be a CpI judge.

More recently I've mostly seen government members explode when he voiced concerns about the government or the state of Talossa. Sometimes valid, sometimes less so, but either gets the same reaction.

The wiki edit was somewhat petty, but also rather benign. It's a very weak excuse.

What worries me most is how groupthink in Talossa has become almost as bad, if not worse, than in the pre-reunision RUMP days. Apparently only those who don't criticise the government are allowed to be judges.

What I find particularly weak is the different standards to which you hold people.  I was put through the ringer, and likely still have some watching, to ensure that I behaved when I was only nominated.  I can only imagine the outrage you and others would have put forth if I even remotely suggested doing something like the so-called benign wiki changes.

AD was not put through an extensive vetting process.  His was, much like your post, weak sauce compared to what I went through. 
I've kept my promise to stay out of politics, but I made no promise to stay out of Wittenberg. I would like to see Talossa, and people like you, Glüc, apply the same standard across the board. AD has not changed an iota of behavior knowing that he may sit on the CpI.

In fact, he has doubled down his efforts to annoy and harass. His antics with the Wiki imply heavily that he would use his position on the Cort to embarrass the FreeDems or any party sitting opposite his political allies given the opportunity. The fact that you blithely ignore this speaks to your own weakness. You think you're being clever by using words like groupthink, but I outwardly question if you know what that is, or something you just learned last week in your sociology 101 course.

I dont remember ever raising any objection to you becoming CpI justice.

You have contributed a lot less and done a lot worse than AD. This was true both when you were both in the RUMP and when you were on opposing sides. The constant abuse of Epic and me combined with your inability to take any criticism are the main reason being in the coalition during the 51st Cosa term was hell for me and one of the reasons I left politics.

Yeah, your behaviour change was impressive and so was your vetting. No doubt about that, but dont talk to me about applying double standards. I don't object to you being in the CpI, but I wouldnt need any double standards to do so.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on September 23, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
Another opportunity for humility has been wasted. Where an olive branch or some constructive sentences would have sufficed, you chose antagonistic and agitative rhetoric.

That rhetoric has no place in a court of law.

This is disgusting btw.

If you offered me a job, put me through an extensive senate vetting procedure, concluded that I was right for the job, and then only after the elections had passed suddenly decided based on some vague reasoning. I'd be upset. The arrogance of immediately demanding humility and expecting an olive branch is breathtaking.

Yeah, AD can be annoying, and an obvious troll sometimes. I wish he said what he meant more often.

You all knew that when you asked him to be a CpI judge.

More recently I've mostly seen government members explode when he voiced concerns about the government or the state of Talossa. Sometimes valid, sometimes less so, but either gets the same reaction.

The wiki edit was somewhat petty, but also rather benign. It's a very weak excuse.

What worries me most is how groupthink in Talossa has become almost as bad, if not worse, than in the pre-reunision RUMP days. Apparently only those who don't criticise the government are allowed to be judges.

Here's something I told Lüc 3 June 2012:

"ik: I know for sure
ik: most people in the RUMP establishment
ik: are not really happy with stamfords behaviour
ik: hes just a weirdo
ik: try to ignore him"

(For those unaware, both Lüc and myself were members of a party in opposition to the RUMP government. Lüc apparently had lashed out against the RUMP earlier as a response to something Stamford had said.)

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 22, 2020, 05:24:09 PM

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on September 22, 2020, 05:09:37 PM
Benedict Stamford was an idiot and a charicature. I don't think people took him seriously at all.

I hate to break it to you, but being abused and insulted by an idiot and a caricature happens to me quite often in Talossa and in other places, and it still hurts, badly. Just making sure that - even in your version of history where ESB was mainly motivated to help my party win - you don't think I was "in on it", or approved of it.

Oh, I absolutely dont think you approved or were in on it or anything. In the end, the betrayal probably hurt you, the ZRT, and the NPW more than anyone. Apologies if I suggested otherwise.

I also can fully understand youd be upset at Benedicts attacks on you, even if he was an idiot. Even worse, there were probably some real people who are also idiots that agreed with him (though Im pretty sure there were also many in the RUMP who were embarrassed to have him).