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With the Regent taking the democratically-correct option of not exercising his veto, the Ranked-Choice Referendum on Talossa's Constitutional Future will take place at the time of the 3rd Clark, i.e. January (unless we go for a month of recess, which I don't think we will).

Neither the Free Democrats nor the Government will be taking an official "side" in this referendum, since there are supporters of all four options within those bodies (taken together). It is therefore appropriate to launch a stand-alone campaign for supporters of the option "the King of Talossa shall be replaced by an elected Head of State.".

Note that the details of this option will be fleshed out (by Cabinet) only if it wins. It might mean a "New Talossan Republic", at one end of the scale; at the other end, it might mean a minimalist solution, that Talossa remains a Kingdom a permanently-empty Throne and a periodically-elected Regent. But this is the campaign for you if you think Talossans should choose their Head of State - for a shorter or longer term of office, renewable or not, via popular vote, legislature or Electoral College, with sizeable powers or none, whatever their title.

This is a thread for you to post your vision of an Elected Head of State, and to make suggestions for the campaign. Thank you.
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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Eðo Grischun on Today at 01:18:22 AM »
I just don't see the need to start inventing unnecessary hurdles that take up even more time.  *shrug*

Convince four of the other members to go full-on Robert's Rules and you got it though.


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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 11:30:59 PM »
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Well, S:reu Distain, I gather that yourself and the Seneschal are both interested in discussing provincial mergers within this body.  That initiative is a component of the Government programme.  I'm not saying that you folks are legally acting as the Government here, but I don't see much point in pretending not to notice the obvious.

Glancing back at the origin of the Council, it was intended as a way for the provinces to "work together for mutual interest," "giving the provinces a united voice when addressing the government of Talossa."  This matches what seems evident from its very nature: it's intended as an institution to allow the provinces to co-ordinate and push back on the Government or Ziu when necessary.  I mean, honestly, does it even make sense otherwise?  If two provinces want to do stuff together, then it makes sense for them to talk to each other.  If people are interested in doing something spanning across the rest of the country on a national level, then they work through the national legislature.  We don't have a very federalized system, so nothing else really makes sense.

But I will cede the point since it really doesn't matter very much, and I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.  I will support the motion to move to nominations for Governor-General, which leaves the measure one vote short of passing by acclaim (four out of eight currently).  I suggest we leave a week for any contrary voices or additional support, and then move to a week-long vote on the motion.

No, we don't need a week long vote just to decide if we are going to open nominations or not.  LEX.9.3 says a Governor-General exists and shall be chosen by majority.  Nominate a name so we can just get on with things.
Okay, clearly you have a pretty distinct vision of what you want to accomplish and how, so I'm just going to step back and let you get to it, S:reu Distain. Didn't mean to be a wrench in the works. Carry on.
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The Lobby / Re: Call for Bills - 55th Cosa 2nd Clark
« Last post by Eðo Grischun on Yesterday at 11:09:32 PM »
I've submitted via the database:

The L.10 is now pointless Act - https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=570.0

The State Opening of the Ziu Act - https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=562.0
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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Eðo Grischun on Yesterday at 11:07:05 PM »
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Well, S:reu Distain, I gather that yourself and the Seneschal are both interested in discussing provincial mergers within this body.  That initiative is a component of the Government programme.  I'm not saying that you folks are legally acting as the Government here, but I don't see much point in pretending not to notice the obvious.

Glancing back at the origin of the Council, it was intended as a way for the provinces to "work together for mutual interest," "giving the provinces a united voice when addressing the government of Talossa."  This matches what seems evident from its very nature: it's intended as an institution to allow the provinces to co-ordinate and push back on the Government or Ziu when necessary.  I mean, honestly, does it even make sense otherwise?  If two provinces want to do stuff together, then it makes sense for them to talk to each other.  If people are interested in doing something spanning across the rest of the country on a national level, then they work through the national legislature.  We don't have a very federalized system, so nothing else really makes sense.

But I will cede the point since it really doesn't matter very much, and I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.  I will support the motion to move to nominations for Governor-General, which leaves the measure one vote short of passing by acclaim (four out of eight currently).  I suggest we leave a week for any contrary voices or additional support, and then move to a week-long vote on the motion.

No, we don't need a week long vote just to decide if we are going to open nominations or not.  LEX.9.3 says a Governor-General exists and shall be chosen by majority.  Nominate a name so we can just get on with things.
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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 10:57:05 PM »
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
Well, S:reu Distain, I gather that yourself and the Seneschal are both interested in discussing provincial mergers within this body.  That initiative is a component of the Government programme.  I'm not saying that you folks are legally acting as the Government here, but I don't see much point in pretending not to notice the obvious.  There's nothing wrong with this, by the way!

Glancing back at the origin of the Council, it was intended as a way for the provinces to "work together for mutual interest," "giving the provinces a united voice when addressing the government of Talossa."  This matches what seems evident from its very nature: it's intended as an institution to allow the provinces to co-ordinate and push back on the Government or Ziu when necessary.  I mean, honestly, does it even make sense otherwise?  If two provinces want to do stuff together, then it makes sense for them to talk to each other.  If people are interested in doing something spanning across the rest of the country on a national level, then they work through the national legislature.  We don't have a very federalized system, so nothing else really makes sense.

But I will cede the point since it really doesn't matter very much, and I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing.  Maybe this will jumpstart something, or... I don't know?  Worth a shot, I guess.

I will support the motion to move to nominations for Governor-General, which leaves the measure one vote short of passing by acclaim (four out of eight currently).  I suggest we leave a week for any contrary voices or additional support, and then move to a week-long vote on the motion.
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I know of 2 requests for items from the Hopper to be clarked. I would appreciate if MC's would post their requests for the Clark in this thread in order to make it easier for me to find them.

I've seen the request for the budget and the Title I revision act.

Thanks,
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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Eðo Grischun on Yesterday at 05:42:42 PM »
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.

The government has nothing to do with this.  Yeah, "many hats" are at play, but let's not get the legal statuses confused here.  This is not a governmental project, nor is it a national initiative for the Ziu to get involved with. This is a meeting of the provincial executives (somewhat similar to COSLA (convention of local authorities), here in Scotland, but not exactly).

The purpose of this committee, as far as I gather, is that it acts as a think tank for inter-provincial matters and its members act as liaisons between their local assemblies and the other provinces and, if required, the national institutions.  I don't know...but, this seems like the perfect place for two provinces to begin discussions on mergers.
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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 04:36:38 PM »
Discussion of mergers between provinces would seem to be between those provinces. If two provinces want to merge, then what business is it of the others? No one from Vuode has approached the 18th Convocation about a merger, if that's something your province wants.

It seems like the only conceivable purpose for this body would be as a vehicle for provincial pushback against an encroachment of the Ziu, but that doesn't seem likely.

Barring that, if something is a national issue, why discuss it here rather than among the people elected to handle national matters in the Ziu?

Regardless, I withdraw my motion and the Government can proceed.
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Wittenberg / Re: Calling Council of Governors
« Last post by Eðo Grischun on Yesterday at 02:51:12 PM »
I'm hoping that after we elect the Chair that we will then all have a chance to put suggestions forward for an agenda.

(but, aye.  I'm looking forward to a vigorous discussion on mergers, particularly Vuode and MM).
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