Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 13, 2024, 09:16:35 PMI'd like to hear other TNC MCs, in particular @þerxh Sant-Enogat and @Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat, as to which option they'd prefer (a "clean vacancy" or a named successor + succession to be determined by law with a default option). Once we have 140+ votes declared for a preferred option we can proceed.

@þerxh Sant-Enogat and @Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat Your invitation is on the table. What say you as to your preferences on this matter?

No, a motion is not a request for unanimous consent; but I vote in favour of my own motion, and seeing as the vote has been sitting open for well over two weeks now, declare it closed and S:r Autófil duly elected.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 13, 2024, 10:33:03 PMWith thanks to @Barclamïu da Miéletz, Fora Talossa is delighted to share his performance on piano of Chirluscha àl Glheþ or Stand Tall, Talossans:

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It was absolute hell editing it because Clipchamp was lagging, but I managed to do it.

With thanks to @Barclamïu da Miéletz, Fora Talossa is delighted to share his performance on piano of Chirluscha àl Glheþ or Stand Tall, Talossans:

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I'd like to hear other TNC MCs, in particular @þerxh Sant-Enogat and @Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat, as to which option they'd prefer (a "clean vacancy" or a named successor + succession to be determined by law with a default option). Once we have 140+ votes declared for a preferred option we can proceed.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 13, 2024, 06:42:38 PMI'd like to apologise somewhat for my post above - it came out more ill-tempered and accusatory than it sounded in my head. I don't think Glüc is consciously trying to troll and derail.

But I have to reiterate that - if it really doesn't matter who's King because the job is low-powered - then I am suddenly in favour of the continued rule of John I rather than this option. Talossa has already tried the "King who no-one really wants" option, it didn't end well.

It's a good thing I wasn't drinking hot coffee when I read this. You have a remarkable ability to shock me.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 13, 2024, 06:34:04 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 13, 2024, 03:28:20 PM@Miestră Schivă, UrN I am most interested in seeing through a path for action, if possible.

Thing is that I'm not 100% sure as to where we stand. I've put up two proposals in this thread:

1) the original proposal, which I call "clean decapitation". I still prefer this, though I take into account the people who worry about an indefinite empty throne.

2) a revised proposal, which appoints a new King right away and leaves it up to the Ziu to create further succession laws; the default option being "CpI names a successor to be confirmed in referendum". I haven't seen any substantial discussion on that one.

(Of course the good Baron is calling for his previously expressed preference that the King be allowed to name his own successor. But, given the incumbent's record, I don't feel happy about affording him that privilege.)

So which should we run with?
- Option 1?
- Option 1 amended slightly (eg with a "sunset clause")?
- Option 2?
- Option 2 amended slightly?

I am in favour of getting as broad a social consensus as we can, because you know what? A 2/3 majority in the Ziu isn't going to cut it. Three reasons:

- if the King vetoes, we will another 2/3 majority in the next Cosa, and thus have to win the argument in an election.
- either way, we will need to win a majority in a referendum.

I have bucketloads of respect for the good Baron as a political operator and I'm not confident of being able to beat him in a referendum (or get 2/3 in an election) if he's going to fight this all the way.

Miestra, this is all reasonable. Option 2 is my preference as it is immediate removal and replacement pending a national referendum plus a sunset clause moving into a regency if necessary. I do think this seems to address the two major issues raised and allows time for the outstanding major issue to be resolved.

If you are not yet ready to move until there is more discussion on Option 2 then I would encourage others to let Miestra and the FreeDems generally know your thoughts specifically on the options or amended options she lists.

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Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on April 11, 2024, 08:22:11 AMPardon my intrusion, but I'm sure there is some AI option out there that can create a unique musical arrangement that fits your lyrics.

Ok no I think I will use AI to make a melody basing on Belgium's anthem and Denmark's civil anthem. Do you know any AI tools that could do just that?

Might just be able to do a mashup with the sheet musicm, but there was previous comment that the Belgium anthem might not ring true in Brittany (from someone in the vicinity)  https://musescore.com/user/21755791/scores/7904504 and https://musescore.com/user/1714461/scores/1432146

In that style I did a segue between Dangerous by Big Data and Feel It Still by Portugal. the Man.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ziE3rN0yS00RSiQ8QvVfro14EFdHb6z5/view?usp=sharing sheet music
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q8ObhDBzdXo0zsWCO1DfvXmYfGmrKdlL/view?usp=sharing mp3

As I said I would try to make a melody out of "La Brabançonne" and "Der er et yndigt land". Both anthems have awesome melodies.

Not sure what tools you may use, but I took a look at fadr.com and that looks promising - it was pretty straightforward to upload the mp3s available at https://nationalanthems.info/ available of both.

Let the monarch nominate someone, confirmed by the Ziu and then by the people. It is the really obvious and sensible solution, even if it affords His Majesty little say in the matter. It takes advantage of our political system to provide a check, without turning the issue into a direct election that would destroy what value a monarchy can offer.

His Majesty did not endorse this view and might well oppose it, and for my part in this discussion I will be offering him my resignation as his counselor. I am not here showing loyalty to him, and that is hard for me. This is a conversation predicated on a future where he will leave the throne. But I am being loyal to the higher things that he too has venerated: country and honour.

My actual expectation is that he will decline to participate in the process once the larger change is made. But the man has saved the country more than once, helped shape it into much of what it is today, and has served with decency. He deserves this voice in the process. And more to the point, the institution is larger than him and this is the way it should happen for the larger future.

I'd like to apologise somewhat for my post above - it came out more ill-tempered and accusatory than it sounded in my head. I don't think Glüc is consciously trying to troll and derail.

But I have to reiterate that - if it really doesn't matter who's King because the job is low-powered - then I am suddenly in favour of the continued rule of John I rather than this option. Talossa has already tried the "King who no-one really wants" option, it didn't end well.