Quote from: xpb on April 14, 2021, 11:19:59 PM
There has been previous discussion https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=740.0 regarding the upcoming election of the Lord Warden.

The previous election https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=354.0 after my temporary appointment (for 1 Clark) was thought to seat you for the forseeable future, yet the Chancery insists that election needs to be conducted yet again after your seating for a single Cosa session.  It would be much more reasonable for the period of service to be adjusted based upon that previous election.

The question which has been posed in various ways is

@Ián Tamorán

Do you wish to remain Lord Warden, the representative of Cézembre to the Senäts of Talossa (which at the current time is a Kingdom)?

I believe the timetable for your declaration of such would need to take place by 14 May as per https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=738.0 to be in sync.

You appear to have been too busy to respond to discussion asked for in https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=737.0 nor any other post in this Cézembre forum since January 18, 2021, nor any other post in any forum since February 16, 2021

Be that as it may, you do need to respond at least within a month from today.

Since it has been determined that by statutes in the Cézembrean Adminstration Guide (CAG) A9 Lord Warden Election Act: "If there is one sole candidate for the position of Lord Warden at the start of the election, no election will be held and the sole candidate will be considered elected to the position."
And as Sénéchal, and not standing for this election (as I had previously when there was an election for Lord Warden), I would thus conduct the non-election (since Lord Warden cannot be appointed as per the Chancery regardless of intention of Cézembre and thus need to be elected in a non-election) should no other person decide to declare within that same timeframe until 14 May.

Should you choose to ignore declaration of intent somewhere in the Cézembre forum by 14 May, and should no other person declare intent to seek the position of Lord Warden somewhere in the Cézembre forum, then that position would be left vacant.

As Sénéchal, I cannot conduct an election for that same position, should it be due in the current election cycle, but I will stand for that position, should an election be required.  There may be others interested in standing for that position.  The question remains as to whether someone will accept appointment as the Conducting Officer as part of the CAG A8: The Sénéchal Elections Act to hold either a non-election election (for one standing candidate), or an actual election (for more than one standing candidate).

Christ, is this you trying to build a consensus? I hear honey attacks more Bees then salt.

Not sure if you have been paying attention... but let's just check this here... I of all people am... yes... aware of that.

However breaking everything into little bits before... let's just check that again... ah yes, didn't work either last time.

Simple conversational. I have tried before but it often was single words.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 14, 2021, 06:48:37 AM
I don't believe the Taiwan analogy is the the best example of that. Mainland china does not recognise it as a country and refuses dealings often with bodies when they also do dealings with Taiwan. I would defiantly not support any system like that at all.

At minimum it definitely is not a situation to strive for!

I don't believe the Taiwan analogy is the the best example of that. Mainland china does not recognise it as a country and refuses dealings often with bodies when they also do dealings with Taiwan. I would defiantly not support any system like that at all.

As Conservative, I will always try to keep to the status quo, where I can. Secession is a big step and not one to be taken lightly.
We know where this road leads, history will repeat itself and the trauma will be passed to the next generation of citizens. We must end this cycle.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 12, 2021, 02:49:40 PM
So.
The Change is, what exactly?
Artical 1 will still read " ...and the Regipäts Talossan."

So whomever the king is of talossa, thus will be the king of cazambre as written.

"The King of Cézembre is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship of Cézembre, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, l'Etats will consider a new candidate." 

Thus as King John were to be removed from the Talossan throne, We as a province must consider and vote I assume on a candidate for the throne. Thus if one were to be chosen as king of Cézembre, they would be our chosen person for the throne of Talossa.

So as far as I read, you wish to add additional steps for cezambre to chose its representative and candidate for the Talossan throne?

It would also grant additional powers to the talossan throne that they may not else where be granted
Section 6

The King may grant titles of nobility and confer awards and decorations.

Am I reading this right?

Because if the above is not correct, your talking of succession? Your also talking to somone who holds the largest number of seats in the l'Etats. And I may not be too happy about that kind of talk?

So.
The Change is, what exactly?
Artical 1 will still read " ...and the Regipäts Talossan."

So whomever the king is of talossa, thus will be the king of cazambre as written.

"The King of Cézembre is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship of Cézembre, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, l'Etats will consider a new candidate." 

Thus as King John were to be removed from the Talossan throne, We as a province must consider and vote I assume on a candidate for the throne. Thus if one were to be chosen as king of Cézembre, they would be our chosen person for the throne of Talossa.

So as far as I read, you wish to add additional steps for cezambre to chose its representative and candidate for the Talossan throne?

It would also grant additional powers to the talossan throne that they may not else where be granted
Section 6

The King may grant titles of nobility and confer awards and decorations.

Am I reading this right?

Quote from: xpb on April 12, 2021, 12:31:53 PM

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 12, 2021, 12:03:44 PM

Quote from: xpb on April 12, 2021, 11:35:38 AM
In consideration of current events in the Kingdom, perhaps a Cézembrean consulate to Taiwan is appropriate to have discussions of similar situations of our peoples Restaurant
Ephernité would be a good candidate for a location.

excusez-moi, que voulez-vous dire? je ne comprends pas?

Le Roi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvwDohEEQ1E - peut-être que le talossa veut mince

The King

...

maybe the talossa wants thin?

Qué?

Quote from: xpb on April 12, 2021, 11:35:38 AM
In consideration of current events in the Kingdom, perhaps a Cézembrean consulate to Taiwan is appropriate to have discussions of similar situations of our peoples Restaurant
Ephernité would be a good candidate for a location.

excusez-moi, que voulez-vous dire? je ne comprends pas?

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 10, 2021, 03:52:44 PM

I want these endless constitutional debates to end in a solution that both major blocs can accept, if not fall in love with, for a generation to come - something like the Belfast Agreement arrangements in the North of Ireland. If the incoming LCC leadership agrees to support the Historic Compromise, then that reduces the possibility of a really nasty fight over this issue in the incoming election (and reduces the incentive for the Regent to veto). That is the Free Democrats' first proposal re: new "cross-party talks".

It appears the that we do have common ground then. I want to put this debate to bed and draw the line under this entire thing.

Quote from: GV on April 10, 2021, 02:28:17 PM

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The strategy is not to have a monarch, but a 7 year president with veto powers, who can be re-elected, accomplished by the same techniques outlined in http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~unger/articles/irv.html (see "some electoral suprises" ) while a simple "do you want a hereditary King or Queen - yes or no" was diluted by shaded options to confuse the issue and split the vote.
Fait accompli.

Good or bad, a King or Queen is outside the bounds of election, (similar to a Justice of the Supreme Court in the US) after their initial appointment, until their demise or resignation.  This is fundamental concept.

This fundamental concept was Ben Madison's greatest weapon against Kane Gruber in 2004.

Although this is interesting and I have been educating myself on the topic, could we now get back to the leadership election.
There's a whole wide Witt to discuss upon this :)

As I was not leader of the opposition at the time I was not in a position to attempt to change the policy and I'm not going to retred that ground (yes yes I was a MC however I kept my promise as Speaker of the Cosa an attempt of impartiality). Fresh start. Let us begin.

You really did! Spooky 🤣

The situation I may be inheriting is obviously not one that any monarchist would dream for, that why I feel we need to stop arguments and start talking.

Mud slinging, political point scoring and lack of transparency is the part of politics that has not only shaken the foundation of talossa, but our macro-nations the world over. However we have an opportunity here to show that we can change and be better, we only have to reach out and take it. We only have decades of of poltical trauma that we need to heal, where other countries have monolithic, entrenched and millenniam old political systems that could never truly be healed with meer words. We are still at a point where words can still make or brake. Let us begin to make something of our situation and talk this out.

I recognize this is a somewhat abrupt about face from yesterday, however I have had a change of heart and quite a vivid dream, that even Sigmund Freud could have explained it's meaning, since then.