Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 26, 2020, 08:03:35 PM

Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 26, 2020, 11:25:02 AM
Thank you, D:na Seneschal.  So if I understand correctly,

Of course you don't "understand correctly", and you don't really think you do. You are so clearly misrepresenting the proposal that I can only think it's deliberate. This is of course the kind of trolling behaviour you're known for, and a major reason that we don't think you were qualified to be Regent.

If this is a warning that you're going to veto the R. C. Referendum bill, come out and say it.

ORDER! AND THIS TIME I DO MEAN IT!

The regency was merely asking the question and he appears to be merely seeking clarity.

We are all aware of Sir Davinescu past, however being that no legal qualifications required for regency exist, the attack towards Sir Davinescu is without merit.
If he wishes to make a warning as to weather or not he shall veto AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE piece of legislation, it would not be up for  discussion on this bill.   

I am also very aware that you both have a tendency to rub each other the wrong way, hence I will inform you both that, where at all possible, I will have a short leash on you both. Debating points and free speech is very impotent, but when you try to make politics personal, within the hopper and cosa chambers, I will come down hard on you both.

These are very trying times for our future together, this must be done carefully and without malice or we may end up repeating our own history. If we do not learn from that history we are going to be prone to repeat it

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on October 26, 2020, 05:49:08 PM

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on October 26, 2020, 01:41:06 PM

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 25, 2020, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on October 25, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Order order,

Although the honarable members are discussed this as a possibility to be enacted if required, I fear that conversation on this bill has moved a little too towards the realm of fantasy and I would like to remind members to continue to discuss the bill as currently writen. This is not to impede or to stamp out discussion on this line of thinking, but more to return the focus to the bill and not purely personal opinion and speculation.
A spear without a point is just a stick.

Does the Túischac'h have authority over the Hopper? It's a public discussion sub-board after all, not strictly a Cosa/Ziu board.  I'm not sure the Túischac'h can call for order on either Senators or members of the public outside of the Cosa chamber.

The order maybe was a bit dramatic, I withdraw that part. It was more trying to as a advisory to bring the focus back to the bill, opinions on what should replace the monarchy is surely for elsewhere.

I'd also like to add that I was not envoking any role directly and was mearly advising the honarable members within the hopper, not citizens not senators.

Honourable Túischac'h, I do disagree with your view on this, whilst I don't agree with some of the points made in regards to this bill, I would argue that with the size and scope of removing a monarch, and all possible implications of that, and the views in favour and opposed to the measure, and all possble consequences of the decision, and having a vigrous debate about that in such a bill, i do feel is not just importaint, but crucial to not just improving the legislation, but also will help give memebers of the Ziu, and the wider public, and more rounded view on the topic, and might bring about issues that needs to be addressed, just because something might not obviously fit with the view in being relevant, something that comes out of discussions in the Hopper, could potential make or break a piece of legislation, and i feel it is better sorted out here, in the hopper, so things might be changed before hadn if needed, before anything here is submitted to the Clark. So some degree of lieniency in regards to the hopper is reasonable, and in my view, this discussion has not come close to the point where it isnt potentially relevant to the passage of this bill, as im sure that many members of the Cosa have had some questions answered already by the conversation had here, one way or the other, based on discussions not strictly related to the text, but possible effects of the legislation, which i belive is just as importaint as the text of the Bill itself.

I thank you Ma'am for your views.
We may both have different interpretations on how we view this debate.
Again I say that my comments where advisery as to the matter  the minister previously was saying that he would not bend the knee to any further nor current citizens whom may be raised to be king if king John was removed. This is his opinion and he has rights to express it, however, in my view there are other spaces more suited for discussion of opinion than on this bill specifically. I advised this course of action to avoid a spiraling of difference of opinion which has been known to happen (perticulerly of late) and I wished to try and gently shepherd the conversation back onto its discussion points.

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 25, 2020, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on October 25, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Order order,

Although the honarable members are discussed this as a possibility to be enacted if required, I fear that conversation on this bill has moved a little too towards the realm of fantasy and I would like to remind members to continue to discuss the bill as currently writen. This is not to impede or to stamp out discussion on this line of thinking, but more to return the focus to the bill and not purely personal opinion and speculation.
A spear without a point is just a stick.

Does the Túischac'h have authority over the Hopper? It's a public discussion sub-board after all, not strictly a Cosa/Ziu board.  I'm not sure the Túischac'h can call for order on either Senators or members of the public outside of the Cosa chamber.

The order maybe was a bit dramatic, I withdraw that part. It was more trying to as a advisory to bring the focus back to the bill, opinions on what should replace the monarchy is surely for elsewhere.

I'd also like to add that I was not envoking any role directly and was mearly advising the honarable members within the hopper, not citizens not senators.

Order order,

Although the honarable members are discussed this as a possibility to be enacted if required, I fear that conversation on this bill has moved a little too towards the realm of fantasy and I would like to remind members to continue to discuss the bill as currently writen. This is not to impede or to stamp out discussion on this line of thinking, but more to return the focus to the bill and not purely personal opinion and speculation.
A spear without a point is just a stick.

The video is currently being compiled with the speech in full and will be published tomorrow.

I can affirm that the Oath of office was recited, in the official Talossan language as required.

My speech to the house ran as thus:

Order Order, If I may address the house,
The responsibility that has been bestowed upon me by the greatest honour I have enjoyed in my professional life, Worthy members of the cosa. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you for the trust you have put in me, and I am keenly conscious of the responsibilities that I am now committed to. I just like to mention this with respect to the office 's duty.

A Speaker is automatically and indefinitely accountable for casting aside all his or her prior political convictions. As for members of one political party and another, my contribution to this House is to be fully neutral. That is what it is about, and I will do my best to represent this House in the time ahead, diligently and honourably and efficiently.

We face the most testing times in Talossa. Many members feel very sad and very insecure, but large parts of the community still feel angry and irritated. We have to amend, but I do want to reiterate that I want to feel that the vast majority of this House of Representatives are upright, good, noble citizens who have come into politics not to feed their nests, but because they have heeded the public service call.

They want to represent their country, make a difference and change the lot of this country, and I will always have the greatest regard for those people. In that basis, with that faith and with that spirit, I will continue to perform my duties in this office, which I consider to be the greatest honour to hold in my professional life, as I have said.

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on October 24, 2020, 05:31:55 PM
That was enjoyable. I had hoped our NPW party Chief would have made a speech. It was nice to listen to Miestra speak Talossan. And I liked Ian's bicoloreu dress scheme.
(Next year I'll have been a Talossan for ten years. But, anytime I post something, I feel like I'm just Ernest T. Bass coming out of the hills to rant and rave to you proper city folks.)

He was offered, yet unfortunately no reply. Also as the NPW makes up part of the government, there was a element of this being optional to start with. He is more than welcome to make a speech and I can add it to the video In post.

Quote from: Adam Grigoriu on September 17, 2020, 02:18:43 PM
I've spent the last day or so working on a rearrangement of "Stand Tall, Talossans". I'm not particularly great at arranging, and if there's anything that can be improved I love suggestions. :)

Also, there's a few things that are kinda funky in the MP3 because Musescore doesn't render the playback perfectly. They're hopefully clear in the score.

Adam, I hope its ok, But would you be willing to allow this to be played as part of the Ziu opening ceremony?

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 24, 2020, 10:46:00 AM
I will try my best to log in for this, but the time of the event is the worst possible time of the week for me (taxi driver and this will be peak time on a Saturday night).  That said, because of Covid and local lockdown restrictions, work is quiet and slow, so I'll check in while out in the car, but I may need to drop in and out.

Absolutely no worries, it will be recorded for posterity and posted elsewhere on thee social medias maybe? Or the national YouTube channel?

Hear Ye Hear YE!

Tomorrow evening shall be the first online opening Ceremony of the 55th Cosa, with all members of the Ziu able to attend shall take place at 11pm GMT / 6pm EST / 11am NZST. It will be streamed here, on twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/txosueeiricroibeardescu

The Timetable shall be:

Speech of welcome by

The formal swearing in of the Seneschal

Speech from the throne by the Regent.

Rebuttal By leader of the opposition

Optional Speech from NPW Party leader

Will be streamed On twitch and recorded.
https://www.twitch.tv/txosueeiricroibeardescu

Hear Ye Hear YE! Tomorrows Online opening Ceremony of the 55th Cosa, with all members of the Ziu able to attend shall take place at 11pm GMT / 6pm EST / 11am NZST.

The Timetable shall be:

Speech of welcome by

The formal swearing in of the Seneschal

Speech from the throne by the Regent.

Rebuttal By leader of the opposition

Optional Speech from NPW Party leader 

Will be streamed On twitch and recorded.
https://www.twitch.tv/txosueeiricroibeardescu

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 20, 2020, 03:09:51 PM
When Parliament is opened in the UK, the Lords as well as the Commons attend.

In fact, it happens in the Lords' chamber, because the Monarch's not allowed in the Commons chamber.*

Just invite the Senators and let's stop this foolishment.

* Funny footnote: NZ abolished its appointed Upper House in 1951, but its Chamber is still there for State openings of Parliament, because the Governor-General doesn't set foot in the House of Representatives.

No foolishness intended, until Edo updated the bill, there was very little precident for how the Ziu should be opened in such a manner as this.

If the menci and I are in agreement, the senators whom are also party leaders are welcome to speak.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on October 19, 2020, 07:07:33 PM
Do we have a sense of who will moderate what? More aptly: what will be the structure/organization/script of this event, if any?

As Túischac'h, I shall be moderating, however the current structure shall be a speech from the throne governmental plans for the 55th Cosa (in this case the Regent), a rebuttal by the leader of the opposition, any speaches by the parties minor (altho being that the current smallest party is part of the government, the may speak as is there right, how ever will asked to not retred old ground covered in previous speeches) and short speech from myself as to future discourse and conduct within the chamber

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on October 19, 2020, 06:38:09 PM
Could we get times for this? Thanks.

Times are being discussed at present, however the current plan is 5pm EST on Saturday.

I have had a think on this, there is two ways to do this, one would be to allow the senators, technically however they do not have a voice in the Cosa. Macro governments whom have party leaders whom are not members of representatives or parliament, by appointment of a member of the party whom oversees the party's interests within the chamber, to be the one to speak to the chamber.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on October 08, 2020, 05:24:11 PM
I would like to offer the following amendment...

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1. El Lexhtax H.6 shall be amended as follows:

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6. No bill may be published in a Clark unless it has spent at least ten days in the Hopper as a legislative proposal and the Legislative Standing Committee of the Ziu has considered and reported upon it, except according to H.6.1.

1. A new section shall be inserted after H.6 of El Lexhatx, as follows, and the subsequent sections renumbered accordingly:

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7.1 The Legislative Advisory Committee of Talossa A Legislative Advisory Committee of Talossa (in Talossan, el Comità da Redacziun Legislatïu; and hereinafter, "the CRL") shall accept review or revise all bills all legislative items from the Hopper as described in H.6 above upon the request of their sponsor or sponsors; and, when so requested, they shall recommend acceptance or rejection, or shall make amendments in their best judgement examine them clause-by-clause, then adopt by majority vote a report which may include a recommendation to accept/reject, and/or suggested amendments.

7.2 The CRL shall conduct all its deliberations openly in the Hopper.

7.3 The CRL shall consist of the incumbent Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral.

7.3 A bill upon which the CRL has not given a report within 30 calendar days shall be considered to have been approved for the purposes of H.6.

7.4 Unless the Mençéi and Túischac'h agree otherwise, the Mençéi shall chair the CRL and the CRL shall consist of all MCs and Senators.

I thank the honorable member for his invitation to weigh in on this piece of legislation.

The amendment proposed is agreeable to me and the added responsibility to the position is not, to mind, an issue. This is a added requirement for each bill to be read and checked before going to a vote. I do however question if this "power" be wielded by the few? For example, an international government by the name of the United kingdom and northern island, the chamber requires a majority to agree for a bill to be put to a vote. It would be the speakers job on when and if this "vote to vote" will be called, however it is common practice for them to agree with the majority.