The Free Democrats want to lead Talossa's government for a fourth successful term. We need to not just recruit new citizens, but find ways to get existing citizens involved again. We want a Historic Compromise between monarchy and republicanism, and to grow the Talossan-speaking population. Txoteu Davinescu for Seneschál! (https://freedemstalossa.wordpress.com/2021/04/24/free-democrats-for-the-56th-cosa-election-may-2021/)
The Free Democrats would love to have new citizens on our party list. Let me know ASAP and if you're not an utter creep and you agree with the Free Democrats platform (https://freedemstalossa.wordpress.com/2021/04/24/free-democrats-for-the-56th-cosa-election-may-2021/), you're in.
There has never been a better time to be a Free Democrat. Join us!
The LCC 50-word statement is nothing more than the FreeDems 50-word statement, machine-translated into Ukrainian and back again.
Prove me wrong.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 28, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
The LCC 50-word statement is nothing more than the FreeDems 50-word statement, machine-translated into Ukrainian and back again.
Prove me wrong.
Ah an unprovoked attack, interesting.
So Bar the fact our 50 word statement directly links with our manifesto, I wrote it before you advertised it on Witt and Im gonna be honest I hadn't even had time to read it and our 50 word says "why should we change Talossa when it's already great?" Is that something your for is it, keeping things the way they are? So you want to keep the king and scrap the historic compromise, the biggest change to the status quo in recent history... Oh yes please do, it would save me the headache.
Also to be honest I was going avoid posting on your recruitment page at all due the fact this is your parties recruitment and policy thread, I was gonna leave you be untill you drag us directly into arguing with you on your own page. I don't want to fight, even here, so why was it necessary to even badmouth us on your recruitment page?
The politics of grievance demands ever-fresh grievances. I think the general idea is to try to provoke a fight?
Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 28, 2021, 06:36:53 PM
I was going avoid posting on your recruitment page at all due the fact this is your parties recruitment and policy thread,
I might not speak for everyone, but honestly, on this point, i would honestly welcome you, or anyone on the opposition parties, to come in here and ask questions, and share their views, so that we could engage in a debate, that will, in my view, help show the voters, what they are voting for and hopefully in doing so, help answer potential questions that voters might have that they are unsure whether to post, and having such an engagement in political threads about the election, in my view, nothing different than just having a televised political debate before an election, and i think could be vital in helping people decide who to vote for, so whilst i respect that you might feel like that, on this, i would disagree, and would encourage anyone, from any political affiliation, to come in and question out views and ideas. the rest of what you have said i will not be commenting on, but this one part i couldn't hold back on my viewpoint on, as i think what i have to say on this is important, others might disagree, but meh, to me this is a key part of electioneering, and politics and helps voters, and parties grow and learn, and shows greater accountability to the people, especially before the voters go to vote. Again i dont speak for the party, but i hope others in the party feel the same way.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 28, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
The politics of grievance demands ever-fresh grievances. I think the general idea is to try to provoke a fight?
I think the idea, wasnt to provoke, but to invite in a jovial way, opposing view points in thread so they might be answered, i dont think it was meant to be seen as a provocation. Also, politics is a fight, a fight of values, ideals, conviction, and passion, which is expressed through political debates (also known as arguments) to help show the public what a party is about. And without such things, then what would be the point of politics? Some people react better to some forms of engagement than others, but nothing in politics should be taken personally, no matter how much you might agree or disagree with a particular person or view point.
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on April 28, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 28, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
The politics of grievance demands ever-fresh grievances. I think the general idea is to try to provoke a fight?
I think the idea, wasnt to provoke, but to invite in a jovial way, opposing view points in thread so they might be answered, i dont think it was meant to be seen as a provocation. Also, politics is a fight, a fight of values, ideals, conviction, and passion, which is expressed through political debates (also known as arguments) to help show the public what a party is about. And without such things, then what would be the point of politics? Some people react better to some forms of engagement than others, but nothing in politics should be taken personally, no matter how much you might agree or disagree with a particular person or view point.
As always, I admire your optimistic view. I'm not sure I can agree that politics is always a fight, though. Fighting is antagonistic and zero-sum. It's possible to have politics that is civil, kind, and respectful -- even while disagreeing sharply! But I will give your party leader the benefit of the doubt and assume that she was just inviting a vigorous exchange of ideas. :-)
Antaglha is certainly optimistic - may Allà reward her for that! - but in this instance she's actually correct. I was struck by the fact that it might be difficult for someone not clued up on current Talossan politics to know what the difference between the FreeDems and the LCC is, based solely on our 50-word statement. I raised the issue in what I considered to be a jovial, "bantering" way, which I never suspected would be taken amiss considering how well the party leaderships have been getting on.
Does anyone remember the sad story of Sir Trotxa and the Killer Rabbit? It seems that the cultural divide that revealed itself in that episode - one side's banter is the other side's hurtful personal attack - still applies today.
I would not say I'm an optimistic person, as I'm not, my own personal stance, is to look at things as realistically as possible whilst trying to be logical and on balance. I jsut try to be fair, balanced and look at things as realistically as possible, whilst that might not always be the case, that is my world view.
Also I would agree if most major political change in human history, throughout all manor of countries, has been bought about by political unrest, and passionate political fights and debates (look at the women's vote, civil rights (past and ongoing in the states) and other maor changes), so we might just have to disagree with. Actually calm politics generally lead to stagnate systems, looks at the US and how often their is stalemates and no progress in their government. So I cannot accept your viewpoint, i wish politics would and could be more like that, but politics should be important and ever changing and growing, through passionate debate and argument, and political fights. which is why "Political Battlegrounds" Exists. but meh, if you disagree then fine. we shall have to agree to disagree.
LCC 50-word statement:
QuoteVote LCC For Talossa to stand tall once more. Talossa is a beacon of a nation that inspired many. We are the party that will prioritise immigration, our country will thrive as a result. We will use our national language in correspondence. If it's already great, must we change Talossa?
FreeDem 50-word statement translated from English to Ukrainian and back to English via Google Translate:
QuoteThe Free Democrats want to lead the Thulos government for a fourth successful term. We need not just to recruit new citizens, but to find ways to attract existing citizens again. We want a historic compromise between monarchy and republicanism, as well as for the growth of the thalosano-speaking population. Txoteu Davinescu for Senechal!
Firstly, I note that the FreeDem's statement is quite robust to Ukrainian translation. Secondly, I note that the FreeDem statement explicitly endorses the compromise amendment while the LCC statement focuses more on leveraging the institutions Talossa already has.
From https://lingojam.com/BadTranslator:
The free democrats in need of to led talossa's government of that fourth successful term. Our needed to don't only recruit new citizens, prevent found ways to have existing citizens involved again. Our in need of that historic compromise between monarchy and republicanism, and to the grown talossan-speaking population. Txoteu davinescu of seneschál!
The Free Democrats in this election seek 101+ seats for ourselves, and 134+ seats for MCs who support the Historic Compromise. That said, even if the constitutional issue is lost, the FreeDems are:
- the only MASS party, a party with an active membership in every province (compare our party list to literally everyone else's)
- the only party with a detailed plan for being in government and administering the country (https://freedemstalossa.wordpress.com/2021/04/24/free-democrats-for-the-56th-cosa-election-may-2021/)
I must admit, it would be annoying and frustrating to have to help run another Government if the Historic Compromise were to be rejected. But *sigh* the things we do for patriotism...
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on May 02, 2021, 05:21:01 PM
The Free Democrats in this election seek 101+ seats for ourselves,
Tell me something I don't know
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 28, 2021, 07:46:19 PM
Does anyone remember the sad story of Sir Trotxa and the Killer Rabbit? It seems that the cultural divide that revealed itself in that episode - one side's banter is the other side's hurtful personal attack - still applies today.
I remember the Killer Rabbit well. From the way the detractors were acting, one might have thought we had insulted Trotxa's family or something like that. We Down South were taken completely off-guard.
Hope everyone got this this morning!
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Azul, estimada/estimat citaxhien del Regipäts Talossan!
Greetings, dear citizen of the Kingdom of Talossa. It is once again General Election season in Talossa, and I am contacting you to ask for your vote for the candidates of the FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA.
The Free Democrats have led Talossa's government for the last three successful terms. You can read a summary of what we've accomplished and what we're yet to do in my farewell speech to the Cosă: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=806.0
After this election I will be stepping aside as Seneschál. The new leader of the Free Democrats, Txoteu Davinescu, is an experienced legislator and Cabinet minister, and has my full support to become your new Seneschál (Prime Minister).
You can read our entire programme and our candidates for the Cosă and Senäts here: https://freedemstalossa.wordpress.com/2021/04/24/free-democrats-for-the-56th-cosa-election-may-2021/. If you are in Atatürk province, please vote for Martì-Pair Furxhéir; in Cézembre province, please vote for Ián Tamoran.
This is the first of two campaign emails where I explain the two vital reasons why the Free Democrats need your vote in this election. The most vital one is: we are very close to reaching a historic compromise between republicanism and monarchy in Talossa.
What is the Historic Compromise?
In accordance with our last manifesto, the Government which we led held a ranked-choice referendum on constitutional options. A very slim majority (34 to 32) preferred an elected head of state to the status quo. These results showed how narrowly our "ImagiNation" is divided on the very basic issue of the Monarchy.
After consultation with the monarchist opposition, the outgoing Cosa passed a Historic Compromise (the "Talossa Shall Choose Its King" amendment) - that Talossa will remain a Kingdom, but that the King will need to renew their mandate every 7 years. See the full text at http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=55&bill=21.
Not surprisingly, the existing King vetoed this compromise. This, after being absent for almost all of this Cosă term – and naming a deeply divisive monarchist politician as Regent in his absence. The combination of apathy, obstructionism and entitlement shown by this King has led many Monarchists to supporting the idea of a Compromise. If we are to have a King, it needs to be a better one than we've got.
Of the eight parties running in this election, four of them have pledged to support this compromise: the Free Democrats, the New Peculiar Way, the Talossan National Congress and the Parti Tafialistà. You can see a Joint Statement at https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=829.0. These four parties will need a 2/3 majority in the new Cosă to enact the Compromise over the King's veto.
This might be our last chance to end the Constitutional debate with honour on both sides. We need YOUR VOTE FOR THE FREE DEMOCRATS to get the biggest possible endorsement of the Historic Compromise.
In our second email, I will talk about the other most important reason why the Free Democrats need your vote: to enact our programme to increase immigration, and to get existing citizens more active. If you have any questions or comments, please let us know at (email redacted)
Restéu voastra,
Miestra Antônia Schiva
Prime Minister of Talossa / Seneschal dàl Regipäts Talossan
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa / Secretár del Parti dels Democrätsen Livereschti da Talossa
The KLüP's latest lulzy election email has actually a couple of good points:
QuoteRemove MCs and Senators from the electoral college for the new King. We don't want the election of the King to become a partisan affair. Worst case scenarios we actually get parties explicitly running on the platform of supporting a candidate for King.
Not actually an awful idea.
QuoteBaron AD and Citaxhien Miestră to perform a duet on Talossan television. Perhaps a rendition of Don't Give Up by Peter Gabriel/Kate Bush.
A deal, but
only if the Baron sings the Kate parts and I sing the Gabriel parts.
And I hope everyone got this:
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An election message from the Free Democrats of Talossa
Azul, estimada/estimat citaxhien del Regipäts Talossan!
Greetings, dear citizen of the Kingdom of Talossa. It is once again General Election season in Talossa, and I am contacting you to ask for your vote for the candidates of the FREE DEMOCRATS OF TALOSSA.
This is the second of two campaign emails where I explain the two vital reasons why the Free Democrats need your vote in this election. In the first letter, I explained the "Historic Compromise" we're trying to achieve between monarchy and republicanism, and the reprehensible behaviour of the King which pushed even monarchists to realise something had to change.
But constitutional arrangements are only part of the issue. Whoever wins this election will have to govern Talossa – make sure that our machinery of State works well, and help make Talossa a fun and rewarding environment for everyone. We want to persuade you that your only sensible choice is giving the Free Democrats the mandate to run the next Government – and for our new Party President, Txoteu Davinescu, to be the new Seneschál (Prime Minister).
Why are the Free Democrats the best governing party?
1. Because we are the only MASS party in Talossa. The Free Democrats are the only party with a whole team of active Talossans, ready to do the work. Just look at our party list – we have twice as many candidates as any other party on the ballot! No other party in this election even pretends they would be in a position to take on the Government of Talossa. At best, they're all jockeying to be our coalition partners, or to stymie our agenda. (There is also a small chance that your vote might be wasted if you vote for a party who has only 1 person on their list, as there's a limit to how many seats 1 person can hold.)
2. We have the experience of governing. It's extremely easy to write a whole programme of things that you absolutely swear you would do if you were in government. It's so easy that several parties in this election have done so. But if they'd asked Free Democrats, we could have told them – from experience – what is actually achievable with Talossa's resources and a reasonable level of commitment from citizens. The answer is "not as much as they think" – even less so since the other parties only have maybe 2 or 3 active citizens, at most, who would be able to do the job. In contrast, the Free Democrat programme is written with the benefit of experience and hindsight. We made a few outlandish promises ourselves, in the past, and got embarrassed when they didn't work out. Now, we promise only the things we actually think we could do, with our own resources, in a Cosa term.
3. We prioritise immigration and citizen activity. The biggest crisis facing Talossa is a crisis of activity – not only apathy towards non-political Talossanity from existing citizens, but a lack of active ways for new migrants to "get involved." The Free Democrats are partway through a plan to turn that around, and you can read more of that in our manifesto. Just looking at the numbers of parties participating in this election, and the upward trend in turnout, shows that when Free Democrats are in power, we get things done, and we have more fun. (Admittedly, this is sometimes because what we're doing infuriates the opposition. But that's how you stimulate activity and engagement!)
4. If we lose, we won't sulk. Talossa needs political diversity to function. In the past, parties of the opposition in Talossa have led a "boycott strategy" – that if they can't run Talossa, they will drop out of activity altogether, out of spite. Even if Free Democrats are not in the Government, we will remain active in Talossan culture and administration, as well as being a voice of constructive opposition in the Cosa. Which other parties will agree to that?
You can read our entire manifesto, and our candidates for the Cosă and Senäts, here: https://freedemstalossa.wordpress.com/2021/04/24/free-democrats-for-the-56th-cosa-election-may-2021/. If you are in Atatürk province, please vote for Martì-Pair Furxhéir; in Cézembre province, please vote for Ián Tamoran.
Do you have any questions or comments about this email, about the Free Democrats, about the record of the incumbent Government of Talossa, or about Talossa in general? Please contact me at (email redacted). I really look forward to hearing from you.
Restéu voastra,
Miestra Antônia Schiva
Prime Minister of Talossa / Seneschal dàl Regipäts Talossan
Party Secretary of the Free Democrats of Talossa / Secretár del Parti dels Democrätsen Livereschti da Talossa