Wittenberg

Hi all,

I had an idea the other day for a way to perhaps help keep people checking in on the regular -- I am aware that Talossa has a (fantasy) football league, or at least did in the past. This is a similar idea, but it's not fantasy sports, but rather...fictional sports, if you will?

Long story short, there are programs out there called "scorinators" -- basically, they'll simulate pretty much any sport you want. Put in your teams, give them skill values, and it will generate semi-random results. Granted, these are teams that exist only on paper -- there are no rosters, no real people serve as managers, no trades to be made. But I guess I was just thinking that if nothing else we could have a league of some sport or another where each province has a team, something people can hang their hat on and hope to see do well (and more importantly, maybe want to check in on occasion to keep tabs on).

As an example -- using my favorite sport, naturally: hockey -- I came up with teams for a Liga Talossan de Hachi:

Capitais d'Atatürk                   (Atatürk Capitals)
Aquilas da Beniuto                   (Benito Eagles)
Bombardas da Cézembre                (Cézembre Bombers)
Republicans da Fiôvâ                 (Fiôvâ Republicans)
Pastours da Florencia                (Florencia Shepherds)
Soleiglhen da Maricopa               (Maricopa Suns)
Lachistaes da Maritiimi-Maxhestic    (Maritiimi-Maxhestic Lakers)
Rexhitais da Vuode                   (Vuode Royals)

Go easy on me, I'm still getting the hang of pluralization...

Hm, the Scorinator idea is really interesting. I wonder if you could implement Talossan Football for one of those...

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 12, 2022, 05:30:19 AM
Hm, the Scorinator idea is really interesting. I wonder if you could implement Talossan Football for one of those...

I have to imagine it's possible to write "custom" sports templates. The whole thing is pretty text-based as far as customization goes.

Given the picture on the wiki very much resembles a game of Gaelic football (as someone who's played as part of a hurling club, I know a Gaelic sports goal when I see one), I would wonder if it's possible to tinker with the file I have for that as a starting point.

I love this idea. I also think it should be accompanied by gambling.

Maybe we wouldn't want to use the provinces for teams, necessarily... maybe organizations or individuals could also sponsor teams? Like the Royal College could sponsor the Heralds, or the FDT could sponsor the Democrats? Would that be okay?

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
Maybe we wouldn't want to use the provinces for teams, necessarily... maybe organizations or individuals could also sponsor teams? Like the Royal College could sponsor the Heralds, or the FDT could sponsor the Democrats? Would that be okay?

Not sure if having political parties sponsoring teams is that good an idea, considering that so much already revolves around politics... And considering how dead the provinces are in general, basing the teams on provinces instead would hopefully help with regional identities.

In other news, I've actually looked at the first-best scorinator I could find (Xkoranate) to check how customisable it is. Turns out that you need scoring probabilities with each score type, and since Talossan Football not only has 5 regular types of scoring (as well as a special one) but also has never been played in real life before, figuring out how probable each type of score is or how high the expected total score of a normal game would be is pretty difficult.

Any ideas?

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 12, 2022, 07:47:33 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
Maybe we wouldn't want to use the provinces for teams, necessarily... maybe organizations or individuals could also sponsor teams? Like the Royal College could sponsor the Heralds, or the FDT could sponsor the Democrats? Would that be okay?

Not sure if having political parties sponsoring teams is that good an idea, considering that so much already revolves around politics... And considering how dead the provinces are in general, basing the teams on provinces instead would hopefully help with regional identities.

But shouldn't we build on activity where it exists? If we allow any group to sponsor a team, then we'll be able to build on success anywhere in the country as it happens. I guess I don't feel too strongly about it, but it's what makes sense to me.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 09:28:56 AM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 12, 2022, 07:47:33 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
Maybe we wouldn't want to use the provinces for teams, necessarily... maybe organizations or individuals could also sponsor teams? Like the Royal College could sponsor the Heralds, or the FDT could sponsor the Democrats? Would that be okay?

Not sure if having political parties sponsoring teams is that good an idea, considering that so much already revolves around politics... And considering how dead the provinces are in general, basing the teams on provinces instead would hopefully help with regional identities.

But shouldn't we build on activity where it exists? If we allow any group to sponsor a team, then we'll be able to build on success anywhere in the country as it happens. I guess I don't feel too strongly about it, but it's what makes sense to me.

No reason we couldn't do a bit of both, though I would prefer we avoid parties sponsoring teams and have provinces do it as a minimum, precisely for reasons of provincial identity/pride/bragging rights.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 12, 2022, 07:54:33 AM
In other news, I've actually looked at the first-best scorinator I could find (Xkoranate) to check how customisable it is. Turns out that you need scoring probabilities with each score type, and since Talossan Football not only has 5 regular types of scoring (as well as a special one) but also has never been played in real life before, figuring out how probable each type of score is or how high the expected total score of a normal game would be is pretty difficult.

Any ideas?

Xkoranate is what I use, I figured we could probably eyeball it some based on other types of football. Who says it has to be particularly scientific? Haha

As a follow-up to this, I've put together a rudimentary Xkoranate file for Talossan football. The odds for each type of score must sum to 1.00, so this is what I used:

• Goals (seven points) are held to be relatively rare, given that the goal is protected by a keeper. Odds: 0.17
• Field Goals (three points) are given the highest odds in the game, based on their prevalence in both American football and the relative "ease" with which they can be scored in other sports (Gaelic football / hurling come to mind, the method of scoring is identical down to the H-shaped goal with a net below the crossbar). Odds: 0.28
• Rumps (one point) are also estimated to be fairly common, as sort of a "cop-out" or "settling" on the part of someone attacking the goal -- it might be tough to put the ball in the net, but batting it between the goal and rump posts should be pretty easy if you can get close enough. Odds: 0.26
• Touchdowns (six points) aren't as common as field goals or rumps, but I get the feeling that most teams would want to defend their goal more than the end zone. I'm willing to lower the odds on this one from where they're at (and distribute the points among the above three scoring types as a result). Odds: 0.22
• Safeties (two points) strike me as being pretty rare, much the same as in American football. Odds: 0.05
• Moats (ten points to the other team) are a score that should almost never happen, assuming the sport is being played by people who have the foggiest idea what they're doing. :P (On second thought, maybe that means the odds on these should increase...) Odds: 0.02

On the first few attempts, two teams with equal skill values produce cumulative scores ranging from about 35 to 50.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
I love this idea. I also think it should be accompanied by gambling.

What do you mean by gambling?

I don't want to poo poo the idea (I like it as well even if I don't play fantasy sports). But gambling on fantasy sports for money may be illegal macronationally.

Quote from: Viteu on February 18, 2022, 07:28:18 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
I love this idea. I also think it should be accompanied by gambling.

What do you mean by gambling?

I don't want to poo poo the idea (I like it as well even if I don't play fantasy sports). But gambling on fantasy sports for money may be illegal macronationally.

I was talking about gambling on fantasy sports for money.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 18, 2022, 11:32:29 AM

Quote from: Viteu on February 18, 2022, 07:28:18 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
I love this idea. I also think it should be accompanied by gambling.

What do you mean by gambling?

I don't want to poo poo the idea (I like it as well even if I don't play fantasy sports). But gambling on fantasy sports for money may be illegal macronationally.

I was talking about gambling on fantasy sports for money.

Thanks for clarifying. I did a quick google search on the legality of gambling in fantasy sports in the U.S.  I have not verified the accuracy of the information, but I came across the following:

While federal law permits fantasy sports, they are illegal in Arizona, Louisiana, Washington, Iowa, and Montana. 

Some states may have laws against fantasy sports that lack an enforcement mechanism.

Federal law classifies fantasy sports as games of skill, and therefore gambling is permitted provided there are not bets ont he outcome of an individual game or player's performance.

Several states allow participation in, but outlaw gambling on, fantasy sports. In all states, it is important to look into how the law views gambling among friends as opposed to an organized league.

Not trying to shoot down the idea of Talossan fantasy sports (I think it's great).  Each participant will need to check their local laws to ensure that participation is legal, which I think, for the most part, will not be too much of a headache.  But introducing a betting element will complicate this unnecessarily.   

Quote from: Viteu on February 18, 2022, 12:16:11 PM
Federal law classifies fantasy sports as games of skill,

I'm assuming that in proper fantasy sports, players have a tangible influence over how their teams perform (I assume because I dont know for sure), but when you scorinate the results as was suggested in this thread, there is no player input by default, its all randomly generated. So... scorinator gambling is probably less legal than regular fantasy sports gambling.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 18, 2022, 11:32:29 AM

Quote from: Viteu on February 18, 2022, 07:28:18 AM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 07:07:51 AM
I love this idea. I also think it should be accompanied by gambling.

What do you mean by gambling?

I don't want to poo poo the idea (I like it as well even if I don't play fantasy sports). But gambling on fantasy sports for money may be illegal macronationally.

I was talking about gambling on fantasy sports for money.

I'm not a fan of the gambling idea, I think it complicates the matter a bit too much and in some cases could drive certain people away from playing for various reasons such as financial, religious, legality.

The only way I could see gambling on this flying under the radar is if we do it for Talossan currency :P

That being said, initially I had thought of this as more of a "provincial bragging rights" thing than anything else.

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 18, 2022, 01:29:34 PM
The only way I could see gambling on this flying under the radar is if we do it for Talossan currency :P

That being said, initially I had thought of this as more of a "provincial bragging rights" thing than anything else.

I like this idea!

Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on February 18, 2022, 01:37:23 PM

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 18, 2022, 01:29:34 PM
The only way I could see gambling on this flying under the radar is if we do it for Talossan currency :P

That being said, initially I had thought of this as more of a "provincial bragging rights" thing than anything else.

I like this idea!

Which one, the putting a Louis on a game's outcome, or making it more for bragging rights? lol

So just for reference, I simmed a quick season between the eight provincial teams, as a sort of sanity check. This what we got:

                                       Pld    W   L    GF   GA   GD 
1  Lacistaes da Maritiimi-Maxhestic     14    9   5   245  215  +30
2  Rexhitais da Vuode                   14    9   5   275  202  +73
3  Pastours da Florencia                14    7   7   212  237  −25
4  Capitais d'Atatürk                   14    7   7   257  239  +18
5  Soleighlen da Maricopa               14    7   7   247  232  +15
6  Bombardas da Cézembre                14    7   7   216  227  −11
7  Aquilas da Benito                    14    5   9   225  275  −50
8  Republicans da Fiôvâ                 14    5   9   216  266  −50

After adjusting the scoring odds as I mentioned earlier, we see scores usually down in the upper teens for the losing team and the mid-20s for the winners, which feels fair, I think.

So here's what I'm proposing:

• A league of anywhere from 8-12 teams
• 8 of these teams would represent the provinces
• The remaining four spots would be open to whatever organization wants to throw their hat into the ring. Could be the RTCOA, Pengopats, the Zouaves, what have you
• The teams could be organized into a "North" and "South" Division if we have the numbers.
• Something like two games against each team (as above), or two against each divisional team and one against each team from the other division
• Whatever schedule and playoff structure would make the most sense with such an arrangement

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 22, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
So just for reference, I simmed a quick season between the eight provincial teams, as a sort of sanity check. This what we got:

                                       Pld    W   L    GF   GA   GD 
1  Lacistaes da Maritiimi-Maxhestic     14    9   5   245  215  +30
2  Rexhitais da Vuode                   14    9   5   275  202  +73
3  Pastours da Florencia                14    7   7   212  237  −25
4  Capitais d'Atatürk                   14    7   7   257  239  +18
5  Soleighlen da Maricopa               14    7   7   247  232  +15
6  Bombardas da Cézembre                14    7   7   216  227  −11
7  Aquilas da Benito                    14    5   9   225  275  −50
8  Republicans da Fiôvâ                 14    5   9   216  266  −50

After adjusting the scoring odds as I mentioned earlier, we see scores usually down in the upper teens for the losing team and the mid-20s for the winners, which feels fair, I think.

So here's what I'm proposing:

• A league of anywhere from 8-12 teams
• 8 of these teams would represent the provinces
• The remaining four spots would be open to whatever organization wants to throw their hat into the ring. Could be the RTCOA, Pengopats, the Zouaves, what have you
• The teams could be organized into a "North" and "South" Division if we have the numbers.
• Something like two games against each team (as above), or two against each divisional team and one against each team from the other division
• Whatever schedule and playoff structure would make the most sense with such an arrangement

Not a huge fantasy sports person but this seems really awesome. Mic'haglh, I hope this takes off.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 23, 2022, 07:35:06 AM

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on February 22, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
So just for reference, I simmed a quick season between the eight provincial teams, as a sort of sanity check. This what we got:

                                       Pld    W   L    GF   GA   GD 
1  Lacistaes da Maritiimi-Maxhestic     14    9   5   245  215  +30
2  Rexhitais da Vuode                   14    9   5   275  202  +73
3  Pastours da Florencia                14    7   7   212  237  −25
4  Capitais d'Atatürk                   14    7   7   257  239  +18
5  Soleighlen da Maricopa               14    7   7   247  232  +15
6  Bombardas da Cézembre                14    7   7   216  227  −11
7  Aquilas da Benito                    14    5   9   225  275  −50
8  Republicans da Fiôvâ                 14    5   9   216  266  −50

After adjusting the scoring odds as I mentioned earlier, we see scores usually down in the upper teens for the losing team and the mid-20s for the winners, which feels fair, I think.

So here's what I'm proposing:

• A league of anywhere from 8-12 teams
• 8 of these teams would represent the provinces
• The remaining four spots would be open to whatever organization wants to throw their hat into the ring. Could be the RTCOA, Pengopats, the Zouaves, what have you
• The teams could be organized into a "North" and "South" Division if we have the numbers.
• Something like two games against each team (as above), or two against each divisional team and one against each team from the other division
• Whatever schedule and playoff structure would make the most sense with such an arrangement

Not a huge fantasy sports person but this seems really awesome. Mic'haglh, I hope this takes off.

Thank you! I do too :P

Any further developments here?

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 28, 2022, 02:39:50 AM
Any further developments here?

Not yet, I figure the league would probably go starting in like...April sometime? Pictured it as a summer thing. That said, at this point, I would be interested in hearing what people from each province thought of the nickname I had assigned to their team.

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 02:58:21 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 28, 2022, 02:39:50 AM
Any further developments here?

Not yet, I figure the league would probably go starting in like...April sometime? Pictured it as a summer thing. That said, at this point, I would be interested in hearing what people from each province thought of the nickname I had assigned to their team.

Shepherds is perfect for Florencia. But I am, ultimately, partial to the Garibaldi Revolutionaries.

I believe some of the names are misspelled. What does "lacistà" mean?

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 01, 2022, 03:22:51 PM

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 02:58:21 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on February 28, 2022, 02:39:50 AM
Any further developments here?

Not yet, I figure the league would probably go starting in like...April sometime? Pictured it as a summer thing. That said, at this point, I would be interested in hearing what people from each province thought of the nickname I had assigned to their team.

Shepherds is perfect for Florencia. But I am, ultimately, partial to the Garibaldi Revolutionaries.

I like that one, but these are at least based on the provinces as they currently exist. Let's keep that one in mind should it become necessary for the future.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on March 01, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
I believe some of the names are misspelled. What does "lacistà" mean?

lac (lake) + -istà ("-ist, partisan or professional", according to the Treisour site)

Laceirs is a more obvious translation of what I was aiming for ("Lakers"), but -eir is described as the "doer of an action", and "lake" is not a verb..."lake professionals" felt less accurate (though they would be people employed on a lake), but at the same time more grammatically correct.

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 06:11:40 PM
lac (lake) + -istà ("-ist, partisan or professional", according to the Treisour site)

Laceirs is a more obvious translation of what I was aiming for ("Lakers"), but -eir is described as the "doer of an action", and "lake" is not a verb..."lake professionals" felt less accurate (though they would be people employed on a lake), but at the same time more grammatically correct.

In that case, a few things:

The Treisour website (I'm assuming you mean talossan.com?) is outdated. If I had direct access to the site I would update its contents but alas, I don't. The current most up-to-date dictionary is this one (https://oversteir.talossa.com/), and the most up-to-date grammar is here (http://wiki.talossa.com/SIGN:Dals_Recomend%C4%83s_s%C3%BCr_el_Glhe%C3%BE_Talossan) (caution: pretty technical in places, currently a work in progress)

Before adding an ending that begins with E or I to a word stem that ends in C, you have to add an H in between to preserve the hard C sound. This rule, although in force since at least the 90s, was never explicitly mentioned anywhere until last week when I added it to the up-to-date grammar. So the proper translation of "Lake-ist" would be lachistà. (EDIT: Actually it looks like this topic is more complicated than that... I'll have to discuss that with SIGN later.)

There are other typos in the team names as well, for exampe "Soleighlen" instead of "Soleiglhen" and the overly archaic spelling of "Fiôvâ". Sorry for dumping all of this info on you all at once though, I feel like I'm nitpicking...

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on March 01, 2022, 06:52:36 PM

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 06:11:40 PM
lac (lake) + -istà ("-ist, partisan or professional", according to the Treisour site)

Laceirs is a more obvious translation of what I was aiming for ("Lakers"), but -eir is described as the "doer of an action", and "lake" is not a verb..."lake professionals" felt less accurate (though they would be people employed on a lake), but at the same time more grammatically correct.

In that case, a few things:

The Treisour website (I'm assuming you mean talossan.com?) is outdated. If I had direct access to the site I would update its contents but alas, I don't. The current most up-to-date dictionary is this one (https://oversteir.talossa.com/), and the most up-to-date grammar is here (http://wiki.talossa.com/SIGN:Dals_Recomend%C4%83s_s%C3%BCr_el_Glhe%C3%BE_Talossan) (caution: pretty technical in places, currently a work in progress)

Ok that's actually incredibly helpful to know, because yes, talossan.com is what I was using.

QuoteBefore adding an ending that begins with E or I to a word stem that ends in C, you have to add an H in between to preserve the hard C sound. This rule, although in force since at least the 90s, was never explicitly mentioned anywhere until last week when I added it to the up-to-date grammar. So the proper translation of "Lake-ist" would be lachistà. (EDIT: Actually it looks like this topic is more complicated than that... I'll have to discuss that with SIGN later.)

This rule I knew, but I think I initially came up with these names before I knew it and neglected to go back and change anything.

QuoteThere are other typos in the team names as well, for exampe "Soleighlen" instead of "Soleiglhen" and the overly archaic spelling of "Fiôvâ". Sorry for dumping all of this info on you all at once though, I feel like I'm nitpicking...

No worries, gotta learn somehow, right? "Soleighlen" was an honest typo, but "Fiôvâ" is how I've generally seen it on both here and the wiki so I didn't want to do the "Fine Folks of Fiôvâ" a disservice by misspelling their province. I'm assuming at least one of those accents is gone nowadays?

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
No worries, gotta learn somehow, right? "Soleighlen" was an honest typo, but "Fiôvâ" is how I've generally seen it on both here and the wiki so I didn't want to do the "Fine Folks of Fiôvâ" a disservice by misspelling their province. I'm assuming at least one of those accents is gone nowadays?

It's a question of stylistic consistency, I guess. "Fiôvâ" is in the pre-2007 spelling that was/is popular with the Republicans even after Reunision, while in the 2007 spelling reform that was popular with the Kingdom it was changed to "Fiova". Nowadays the prefered spelling is "Fiovă", but which spelling to choose is a matter of which style youre using and staying consistent with that. Since you're not using Ă anywhere else (which is valid), it wouldn't make much sense to use it here either. So the two remaining styles would be the pre-2007 version Repúblicáes da Fiôvâ, and the 2007 version Republicaes da Fiova. The latter would be consistent with the other names, but the former would be particularly on brand for Fiovă so the choice is yours.

Finally to get back to the original topic of the thread, I'm a huge fan of this idea here, and I hope it succedes.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on March 01, 2022, 09:02:51 PM

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
No worries, gotta learn somehow, right? "Soleighlen" was an honest typo, but "Fiôvâ" is how I've generally seen it on both here and the wiki so I didn't want to do the "Fine Folks of Fiôvâ" a disservice by misspelling their province. I'm assuming at least one of those accents is gone nowadays?

It's a question of stylistic consistency, I guess. "Fiôvâ" is in the pre-2007 spelling that was/is popular with the Republicans even after Reunision, while in the 2007 spelling reform that was popular with the Kingdom it was changed to "Fiova". Nowadays the prefered spelling is "Fiovă", but which spelling to choose is a matter of which style youre using and staying consistent with that. Since you're not using Ă anywhere else (which is valid), it wouldn't make much sense to use it here either. So the two remaining styles would be the pre-2007 version Repúblicáes da Fiôvâ, and the 2007 version Republicaes da Fiova. The latter would be consistent with the other names, but the former would be particularly on brand for Fiovă so the choice is yours.

Finally to get back to the original topic of the thread, I'm a huge fan of this idea here, and I hope it succedes.

I'm leaving it up to them, which leads me to believe it won't be changed, lol

But thank you! Fingers crossed  :D

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
Ok that's actually incredibly helpful to know, because yes, talossan.com is what I was using.

Can I ask why? I thought we'd updated all the links on the Wiki and on talossa.com towards the updated site.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 02, 2022, 02:11:26 PM

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 01, 2022, 08:47:34 PM
Ok that's actually incredibly helpful to know, because yes, talossan.com is what I was using.

Can I ask why? I thought we'd updated all the links on the Wiki and on talossa.com towards the updated site.

Nope, the Culture > Language > El Glheþ Talossan links still goes right to talossan.com

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 02, 2022, 02:19:55 PM
Nope, the Culture > Language > El Glheþ Talossan links still goes right to talossan.com

Okay, I've fixed that, I think.

Talossa.com is severely out of date in a number of ways and needs a massive overhaul; sadly something beyond my technical abilities to do, but will need to be a top project for the next Government.

So what's the next step for this? I'd love to be able to support, even if no one wants to place any bets. If it's getting going in April, then should we set up teams?

Also, I think our magnificent organizer here should award himself a fancy job title.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 03, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
So what's the next step for this? I'd love to be able to support, even if no one wants to place any bets. If it's getting going in April, then should we set up teams?

Also, I think our magnificent organizer here should award himself a fancy job title.

I really can't wrap my brain around this just yet, but then most of my attention is focused on the upcoming election.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 03, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
So what's the next step for this? I'd love to be able to support, even if no one wants to place any bets. If it's getting going in April, then should we set up teams?

Also, I think our magnificent organizer here should award himself a fancy job title.

Yeah, I can get a thread going with an official "request for teams". Feel free to use whatever nicknames for each province, mine are just suggestions. Can handle probably twelve teams, so if we do each of the provinces that's eight already, plus maybe Péngöpäts gives us at least three open spaces.