Quote from: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on August 13, 2021, 07:55:00 AM
And, to check, with XPB's proxy for the purpose, Dien is the Opposition Leader?

I granted proxy for the month of August. If Dien is still available I will honor that proxy. 

If not then I could strive to take part now that I have returned from travel.

In -- Burn baby burn!
https://youtu.be/u5lSeYd_riw

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 23, 2021, 07:01:14 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on August 23, 2021, 06:22:45 PM
I'm starting to wonder what we need the Ziu for at all.

For elections, which are the only thing which many Talossans will do any more, and that's partly only because it's compulsory. We've tried a direct democracy system in Fiova and... well, you can see how enthusiastic people are about it.

I would be actually enthusiastic about watching you take over a provincial government and setting it up in the way you think Talossa should work. So much about what we do in this country, we do because of traditions. The Secretary of State sending out Clarks as opposed to two actual legislative chambers debating is the way it has worked since 1985, and the inbuilt conservative bias of our system means that's the way it'll stay indefinitely barring a real social movement.

Indeed, operation of concepts at the provincial level would be an excellent precursor to proposals for the scope of the realm.

X. Pol Briga, representing 17 seats via Balançeu / Balance votes as follows

CONTRA on RZ1 - The Talossa Shall Choose Its King Amendment

AUSTANÉU on RZ2 - The Talossan Criminal Law Reform Bill #1

YES on Vote of Confidence

It appears our Lord Warden may have current limitations on participation in l'Etats, just as I have within the Cosa.  Ian has not responded to email or board postings thus even with his support during the draft phase I cannot in good concience move this forward with only my Per votes and all others Auseneu.  This matter will now be tabled to perhaps be reintroduced at a yet to be scheduled time (apologies for any typos/formatting only have phone access currently)

as discussed in https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=975.msg7913#msg7913

Quote from: xpb on August 02, 2021, 05:54:39 PM
As per the stated division at https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=908.msg7292#msg7292 B - Balançeu/Balance has a total of 33 seats in the Cosa.
I represent 17 seats, and @Dixhet Fira represents 16 seats.

For the month of August, for the specific purpose of establishing a leader of the opposition and for no other purpose, I provide proxy for the 17 seats in the Cosa that I personally represent to @Munditenens Tresplet, thus bringing the total for DIEN to 31 to become the primary representative of the opposition.

The casting of votes on specific legislation will remain within the purview of B - Balançeu/Balance.  To reiterate, this proxy is only for the purpose of establishing an opposition leader for the formal activities of opening of the Ziu.

As per the stated division at https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=908.msg7292#msg7292 B - Balançeu/Balance has a total of 33 seats in the Cosa.
I represent 17 seats, and @Dixhet Fira represents 16 seats.

For the month of August, for the specific purpose of establishing a leader of the opposition and for no other purpose, I provide proxy for the 17 seats in the Cosa that I personally represent to @Munditenens Tresplet, thus bringing the total for DIEN to 31 to become the primary representative of the opposition.

The casting of votes on specific legislation will remain within the purview of B - Balançeu/Balance.  To reiterate, this proxy is only for the purpose of establishing an opposition leader for the formal activities of opening of the Ziu.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 01, 2021, 10:14:53 PM
Terps really should be the responsibility of the Opposition parties to organise. There is a regrettable tradition in Talossan politics of the Opposition just not playing a role between elections - it's much easier to complain about the Government than to actually hold the Government to account through this constitutional measure.

Back in KR1's day, the main opposition parties had a notorious tendency to act as "do-nothing vote sponges" - collect anti-Government votes in the elections but not act as an opposition between times. I must say I was gobsmacked to hear the (presumptive) Leader of the Opposition saying that he had no idea of his role in the State Opening of the Ziu and was otherwise engaged. I would heartily encourage the Opposition Parties (including that party which joined and then deserted the Government for no adequately arranged reason) to get their act together, choose a leader who will actually hold my/our feet to the fire, and act like you want to be the Government next time.

Anyway, what was I saying? In other countries there's a weekly slot for Question Time in Parliament. Seeing as we're all in different time zones, we could declare (for example) Wednesday to be the day that Terps should be submitted, and that they should be answered the following Wednesday unless the Túischac'h/Mençéi (as applicable) gives leave otherwise.

My apologies for your being gobsmacked.  I will be happy to support the other parties in providing opposition.  The month of August 2021 is a very significant one for our family, where first I take my son to an international robotics competition, then take him to start college.  In September 2021 I will become more available, with the understanding that the march of events within the (now) Kingdom is at a critical juncture.

originally posted in https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=868.0

As related to https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=734.0

RAK - The Lord Warden Shall Post Votes in Public

Be it resolved that when there is Voting and Debate thread for a Clark where a Lord Warden takes part, that person shall post their votes in public in the appropriate thread of discussion within the Senäts

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on July 29, 2021, 03:26:13 PM
I'd have to abstain as well I'm afraid. I applaud the attempt at expanding the Cézembrean culture, but three languages is probably enough, especially since I'm not aware of any Cézembrean citizen who actually speaks Breton.

within the RAK discussion of the Draft at https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=868.0
@Ián Tamorán indicates that he does speak a bit of Breton and showed interest in this measure, but was last active on these boards on 12 July.  Perhaps he will chime in prior to 3 August.

We are at
Per 3
Non 0
Aus 6

With 6 assigned seats and potentially 5 yet unassigned seats yet to vote.

My thought is that if there are no other Per votes other than mine as the sponsor that this would revert back to the RAK for future consideration.  I will wait to call up any other measure until this one is decided, and may recycle the Amendment number if it does not come to fruition.

I am certainly not very familiar with languages other than English und ein bisschen Deutsch
but making an attempt to bring in Breton for fun with the RAK, even as slang.

RAK = shortened form of the Breton raktresoù-lezenn, as a method to list proposed legislation, projet de loi, proxhet for the CAG ( CÉZEMBREAN ADMINISTRATION GUIDE )  [https://glosbe.com/en/br?CMT CÉZEMBREAN MELESTRADUREZH TEUL]

To "put something on the RAK" will be to introduce items for discussion prior to posting and decision in sessions of l'Etats, similar to the hopper for the Ziu, and where some such RAK may also rise to the level of referral by l'Etats for a poll of all Cézembreans.

We are at
Per 3
Non 0
Aus 3

With
9 assigned seats and potentially 5 yet unassigned seats yet to vote.

As I proposed the legislation it would be theoretically possible yet inappropriate for it to pass on just my vote -- so I look forward to some response from
@Ián Tamorán and (perhaps) a pending a 2nd representative for 5 seats
And/or
@Glüc da Dhi S.H.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on July 26, 2021, 10:05:59 AM
ATTN:

B - @Xhorxh Briga
DIEN - @Munditenens Tresplet
FREEDEMS - @Txoteu Davinescu
KLüP - @Glüc da Dhi
LCC - @Txosuè Rôibeardescù
NPW - @Eiric Börnatfiglheu
PT - @Marcel Tafial
TNC - @Breneir Tzaracomprada

(as a sidenote, I'm not really convinced that this "tagging" actually does anything...)

Such tagging is one possible way to gain attention of the party leaders, although it may also be appropriate to tag the entire party list of each who may in turn inform the party leaders should they be distracted.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on July 26, 2021, 09:54:28 PM

Quote from: El Lexhatx H.1.1Following each General Election there shall be an official "State Opening of the Ziu". At the start of the State Opening, the new Seneschal shall be sworn to the office publicly. The Sovereign shall then deliver a speech outlining the Government's legislative agenda and program for the term. The contents of this speech shall be communicated to the Sovereign by the incoming Seneschal prior to the ceremony. The Seneschal may announce Cabinet Ministers during the ceremony. A rebuttal by the Leader of the Opposition shall follow, which may be followed by a further rebuttal by the leader of the third largest party. When practical, the State Opening may include an official Living Cosă (and 'Living Senats') in which food and drink shall be featured and as many Talossans as possible shall be invited to attend. The event shall be organized and conducted by the Speakers of both Houses of the Ziu, working in coordination and cooperation with each other.

I know that the new Seneschál has drafted up a Speech from the Throne and is sending it to the King, so we've got that part sorted out. What we need to organise from here is:

- a date/time/setup for a live video conference featuring the Seneschal, the King and the Leader of the Opposition;
- an Opposition Leader, lol.

As to the latter:

Quote from: El Lexhatx H.23. Members of the Cosâ who (in a given session of the Cosa) have voted NON on the most recent Vote of Confidence, or intend to do so on the next Vote of Confidence, shall be known as El Contrapharti Fieir da Sieu Maxhestà, or "His Majesty's Loyal Opposition" in English, or in short "El Contrapharti / The Opposition". Unless and until the members of the Opposition decide otherwise by majority vote, the "Leader of the Opposition" shall be the leader of the party with the most Cosa seats assigned to MCs who voted NON on the last Vote of Confidence.

... but the problem is we haven't had a VoC yet; unless you count the Seneschál election. The party tallies for votes against the current Seneschál on the VoC were:

NPW 11
Tafial 5
KLüP 11
DIEN 14
Balançéu 17

So, if we take that as the equivalent of a VoC, then X. Pôl Briga is the Leader of the Opposition and gets to do a rebuttal at the Speech from the Throne? And M. Tresplet is the "third party" leader who can also make a speech if desired? Do we need to modify the law on the Leader of the Opposition to cover this case in future?

I am a bit fuzzy on this process of setting of the tone of debate, and what the time sensitivity is.

This week I am assiting the logistics for the world quizzing championships, then upcoming month has me traveling with my son to an international robotics competition (as their team won the regional event), then a week of prep before taking him to explore the area around his college prior to his start of an orientation week there.  I expect to my attention to Talossan politics to attenuated at best.

With the assumption that this process is desired to take place within the month, perhaps it would be appropriate in this case to have one or more of the other minority parties participate in the evaluation of the statement of the Seneschál, one being the "opposition" and another being the "third"?  Or perhaps I should provide a proxy to M. DIEN Tresplet for this specific activity as the coordinator of opposition?

Voting begins on A14

I vote Per.

What say you?
@Ián Tamorán and (perhaps) a pending a 2nd representative for 5 seats
@Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù
@Glüc da Dhi S.H.

Last day for discussion / amendment, voting begins tomorrow