for the RAK
Party Registrations
Cézembre Party Pre-Registration with the Sénéchal and the Governor-General (Cunstaval):

Each party willing to run for the election will need to submit to the Sénéchal and the Governor-General (Cunstaval) the following information at least 24 hours before balloting day:

Their full Party Name
Their party Initials
Their 50 Word or less statement
Their party leader(s)
The URL of a party platform (optional)
A candidate list for seats (optional)

This information will be included on the Cézembre ballot. Write-in parties are not allowed, but the party of "self" with the name of the Citizen being the party shall be allowed. Parties that do not register at least 24 hours before balloting will not be able to receive seats.

In consideration of current events in the Kingdom, perhaps a Cézembrean consulate to Taiwan is appropriate to have discussions of similar situations of our peoples Restaurant
Ephernité would be a good candidate for a location.

Our King is on the RAK

Regarding the King - John by the Grace of God, King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, Sovereign Lord and Protector of Péngöpäts and the New Falklands, Defender of the Faith, Leader of the Armed Forces, Viceroy of Hoxha and Vicar of Atatürk with the official Talossan name of Ian Lupul:

Currently the CAG reads:

Article 1. The Sovereign Province of Cézembre is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan.

Proposed A14 additions to Article 1

Section 1

Cézembre is a constitutional Monarchy with a King (or, if female, Queen) as its head of State.

Section 2

The King is the symbolic head of the Cézembre. Cézembre democratically grants the King certain Royal Powers and duties as described in this CAG and in statute law. l'Etats may establish procedures for when the King fails to perform a duty.

Section 3

The King of Cézembre is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship of Cézembre, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, l'Etats will consider a new candidate.

Section 4

In dire circumstances, when the King is judged by competent medical authority to be incapable of executing his duties, or if he is convicted of violation of this CAG, treason, bribery, nonfeasance endangering the safety, order or good government of Cézembre, or other high crimes, Cézembre may remove the King from the Throne. l'Etats shall pronounce by a three-fourths vote, with the approval of  that the King is to be removed, and this pronouncement shall immediately be transmitted to the people for their verdict in a referendum. If a two-thirds majority of the people concur, the King is removed.

Section 5

The King may, at whim, appoint, replace, or remove a Regent (or a Council of Regency, which is considered equivalent to a Regent), who shall administer the government in the name of the King, and exercise all powers in the CAG or legally vested in the King, except the power to appoint or replace a Regent. l'Etats may by law remove or replace any appointed Regent, and if l'Etats removes a Regent appointed by the King, the King may not reappoint the same person Regent without the prior consent of the l'Etats.

Section 6

The King may grant titles of nobility and confer awards and decorations.

I introduce, as Sénéchal of Cézembre, with possible use by future administrations:

RAK = shortened form of the Breton raktresoù-lezenn, as a method to list proposed legislation, projet de loi, proxhet for the CAG ( CÉZEMBREAN ADMINISTRATION GUIDE )

To "put something on the RAK" will be to introduce items for discussion prior to posting and decision in sessions of l'Etats, similar to the hopper for the Ziu, and where some such RAK may rise to the level of referral by l'Etats for a poll of all Cézembreans.

Items of this type placed into https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=12.0 or similar at https://talossa.net/groups/citaxhienita-cezembre/ will use the preamble RAK until such time as forum discussion can be adjusted with a subdirectory for this purpose.

My apologies.

I shouldn't have commented in the discussions of this party to which I have never been a member.

I suppose I am increasingly regretful about my participation in reunison - but then again I suppose no good deed goes unpunished.

Quote from: GV on April 10, 2021, 07:51:15 AM
I echo everything Miestrâ and Viteu say elsewhere in this thread.  Elsewhere on Witt, I have given a rudimentary summary political history of the Kingdom (from my perspective) since 1 June 2004.  Read it and learn.

Bear in mind, we went about putting the Compromise together in the right way.  Knowing we needed buy-in from the population in a profound way, we surveyed the populace by way of non-binding referendum with the promise what came from this referendum would be acted upon in some way.

Had the lifetime monarchy won out convincingly, the Compromise never would have existed.  This is not what happened.  As with Brexit in the United Kingdom, and even more than with Brexit, the people gave themselves a split-decision.  Brexit was 52-48.  The monarchy referendum of 2020 was much closer. 

In this, the people were clear: a reformed monarchy was the way to go.  Preserve Talossan tradition, and hold the sovereign accountable periodically while still giving them a long term and breathing room.  Thus, we have the Compromise.

Much of the opposition to the Compromise stems from personal affection for John Woolley and a desire to not curtail him in any way.  Well, with his faux-abdication and complete refusal to be transparent about his intentions for the monarchy as well as appoint in Alexander Davinescu the most offensive individual to the 'republican' side possible as Regent-for-Life, he has showed in a very benign fashion the modern Talossan monarchy can be abused.

The Compromise will pass the Ziu, putting the question to the people.  The people will answer this question.  The Convocation will then meet, and John will either be tossed out of the kingship or retained for seven years.  This is not only a referendum on the mechanics of monarchy, but I believe in the minds of many, it is a referendum on John's own leadership, especially since August of 2020, which is when his rest and relaxation began and when the monarchy was dehereditized.

No-one is attacking you, by the way.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on April 09, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
So you want the republic back again? As noted... How well did that do? You where down to 20 members and no activity? And you want to return to that? You returned to the fold to mold the kingdom back to your own image, doing away with king and regent, doing away with active citzans (perticulely those who disagree with you) and to hell with everything else. The republic didn't work or you would have let go, moved on and left the monarchy in the dust, but you didn't and apprently you couldn't let go because of what King Ben did to you. You Brought that attitude back with you, how dare king John succeed where you failed, how dare he re-envigarate the kingdom with out you, how dare he not call you back to the fold knowing that you would most likely hate him because you hate what he stands for, he has succeeded where Ben failed and you hate him for it. Plain and simple.


I already want withdraw my candidature, because I already can't stand for what I believe him without getting attacked form all angles. Even our Regent had to take a step back when you and he agruged to the point that there was no going back, he returned.

Id even go so far and renounce my citzanship too, but what would that change? Another monarchist run out of town who dared to raise his head. Oh no I'm staying. I brought myself a popcorn machine.

The strategy is not to have a monarch, but a 7 year president with veto powers, who can be re-elected, accomplished by the same techniques outlined in http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~unger/articles/irv.html (see "some electoral suprises" ) while a simple "do you want a hereditary King or Queen - yes or no" was diluted by shaded options to confuse the issue and split the vote.
Fait accompli.

Good or bad, a King or Queen is outside the bounds of election, (similar to a Justice of the Supreme Court in the US) after their initial appointment, until their demise or resignation.  This is fundamental concept.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on April 01, 2021, 12:37:29 AM
Thank you. I will point out that intent of appointment doesn't override the OrgLaw. I'm not simply being capricious and only want to verify that the law of the Kingdom is followed.

So noted.  I see the following parts of Article V: Elections that would apply in this case where the election is conducted in the province.  Since I am not standing for the office of Lord Warden, then via Article 8 of our CEM as Sénéchal I will conduct an election, IF there were more than one declared candidate, or appeal to the Crown to appoint a Lord Warden if for some reason Ián Tamorán would not wish to continue in the position and there were no other declared candidates.

Article V: Elections Section 6 Elections for the filling of places in the Senäts shall be conducted simultaneously with general elections to the Cosa. Each time the Cosa shall be dissolved, there shall be an election for one-third of the total Senate seats (rounded to the nearest whole number). The exact fixed order of rotation of provinces for elections shall be set by law and shall require two-thirds vote in the Cosa with approval by the King and the Senäts to be modified. (53RZ18)

This provision would be satisifed instantly should Ián Tamorán wish to continue in office and there were no other candidates as per CEM A9 previously noted.  If there are two or more candidates, there will be a selection between them made by the citizens.

Article V: Elections Section 7 Unless a province explicitly requests that Chancery conduct the election to the Senate seat for that province, the province shall be responsible for doing so, and shall certify to the Chancery that the result represents the will of the people. (53RZ18)

Cézembre does not request the Chancery to conduct the election, and shall certify the result.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 31, 2021, 07:43:44 PM

Quote from: xpb on March 31, 2021, 05:04:26 PM
As per https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=740.msg5860#msg5860

Calling to order members of l'Etats
@Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù
@Ián Tamorán
@X. Pol Briga
@Ián S.G. Txaglh

Given the S:reu Tamorán is already serving as Lord Warden, and was recently elected, and should he wish to continue service, and should there be no other other candidates for that office; perhaps the other members l'Etats can endorse him to the populace, and thus our election will be conducted in public and by acclamation?   I freely give my endorsement in that regard, and look to see if S:reus Rôibeardescù and Txaglh will do so also in this thread.   We will await the timeframe of the 56th session of the Ziu to determine if there are any other candidates.

In this case, the implementation of any other system of voting for only one candidate would be moot.  The only things that may come ballot would be candidates for l'Etats, and referenda directed to the citizenry, which need not involve the Talossan Chancery if perhaps   @Amada Merþedes could add conducting the election to her duties as Moderator of this forum.

I apologize for my intrusion into the business of your assembly but I do have one question about the concept of election by acclamation. Does your local election procedure not allow for write-in ballots? It would seem to me that a candidate for the Senate could decide to run even after the election began. Also, not every citizen of Cezembre is a member of your assembly and it would most definitely be inorganic to deny that citizen a chance to vote if an election were either not conducted or you deem an election concluded without proceeding to an actual vote.

S:reu Nordselvă

Thanks for the comments, and appreciate your inquiry - you are correct that the assembly does not make a determination of who can or should run for office, but can as individuals speak in endorsement of a candidate, such as the one recently elected as it would seem to have been the intent to serve a full term.  After one candidate (myself) who was appointed to serve who was then replaced by an elected candidate (S:reu Tamorán) by determination by the Chancery that an election should be held it is logical that would be for a full term, otherwise I would have then served out the remainder of the existing term with a new election held for session 56.  It is indeed better perhaps that Cezembreans not rely on external organizations to conduct elections as the intent may not be clear.

As to your other question
in the CEM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYkVIvygRUC-TC4NVdKTogfwftJH-XzF/view

A9: The 51st Cosa Lord Warden Election Act
Approved: 21 August, 2017

"15. If there is one sole candidate for the position of Lord
Warden at the start of the election, no election will be held
and the sole candidate will be considered elected to the
position."

This would seem to not allow write-in names, unless there are already multiple candidates at the start of an election.  A person or persons interested in the position would need to declare their intent should there only be one candidate declared.

As per https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=740.msg5860#msg5860

Calling to order members of l'Etats
@Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù
@Ián Tamorán
@X. Pol Briga
@Ián S.G. Txaglh

Given the S:reu Tamorán is already serving as Lord Warden, and was recently elected, and should he wish to continue service, and should there be no other other candidates for that office; perhaps the other members l'Etats can endorse him to the populace, and thus our election will be conducted in public and by acclamation?   I freely give my endorsement in that regard, and look to see if S:reus Rôibeardescù and Txaglh will do so also in this thread.   We will await the timeframe of the 56th session of the Ziu to determine if there are any other candidates.

In this case, the implementation of any other system of voting for only one candidate would be moot.  The only things that may come ballot would be candidates for l'Etats, and referenda directed to the citizenry, which need not involve the Talossan Chancery if perhaps   @Amada Merþedes could add conducting the election to her duties as Moderator of this forum.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 29, 2021, 03:31:27 PM
There may have been some confusion as to when and how a Senator from Cezembre is to be elected. Here are links to the election rules for the 53rd - 55th Cosas in which in each election, a new Senator had to be elected. In the 53rd, it was 3 terms, in the 54th it was 2 terms and in the 55th it was 1 term.

Regarding Cezembre elections:

https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/13206/chancery-proposed-election-rules-april 53rd Cosa election rules
https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/13707/chancery-rules-registrations-december-2019?page=1&scrollTo=167637 54th Cosa election rules
https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=347.msg2077#msg2077 55th Cosa election rules

There have been 4 Senators elected/appointed and only one was elected to a full 3 year term - Thor Deyaert. Thor lost his seat due to not voting in the last 2 Clarks of his first Cosa term and so another election was called for the 54th where Amada Eleonora Merþedes was elected  but never seated to fill the remaining two Cosa terms. Sir X. Pol Briga took the seat after a few missed Clarks. In the 55th Ian Tamoran was elected to fill the final Cosa term.

Cezembre may choose to hold their own election concurrent with the 56th GE but this seat has to be filled via election and not via appointment.

Thanks for the clarification and details.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 29, 2021, 10:37:40 AM

Quote from: xpb on March 28, 2021, 10:23:29 PM
Cézembre, according to the administration guide, will not rely on the Chancery and will conduct the local election.

Also it is my understanding that a senator (our lord warden) was selected during the previous election 55 and thus would continue to serve until at least election 57?

Also to clarify, will the Senatorial election also be conducted by the province or will it fall to the Chancery?

I was appointed by the Regent to fulfill the vacancy for Lord Warden in the midst of session 54.  Then there was an election to officially fill the position in session 55, which I thought would then be a regular election -- but perhaps was just viewed by the Civil Service to officially fill the vacancy, rather than accept the determination of the Regent?   That election placed @Ián Tamorán as our Lord Warden, which is the Cézembrean term for Senator to the Ziu.

I will call a session l'Etats to discuss whether Cézembre should conduct yet another election for Lord Warden or just reappoint Ián Tamorán which was the intent of the most rescent election, should this remain unclear at the eyes of the Civil Service.

Cézembre, according to the administration guide, will not rely on the Chancery and will conduct the local election.

Also it is my understanding that a senator (our lord warden) was selected during the previous election 55 and thus would continue to serve until at least election 57?

@Ián Tamorán

In regard to your consideration of http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=55&bill=21

as it relates to the existing Organic Law
Article II: The King
Section 3

The King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency. (54RZ28)

I was not aware that the King had abdicated, nor have I seen any formal process to remove him, only to remove this section of the Organic Law as a fait accompli - am I missing something?

It appears this session dissolved due to the variety of time constraints on the seated members.  4. and 5. will be taken up in a future session, along with further discussion of the first 3 topics.

Quote from: Ián S.G. Txaglh on March 16, 2021, 11:38:58 AM


just to show that i am alive and do care, but am also overwhelmed by the outside world (rhymes with "country for future" and "best in covid", not to mention a semester at full throttle).

i have no major comments to the proposals above except for:

ad 3) i would really consider if it would be an ID or passport, as miestra could be right and we cannot issue passports, if understood properly.

ad 5) unsurprisingly, as a former republican, i do not hold that tight on a king stuff, although as a peculiarist, i am not fundamentally against kingdom and suchs, but i have my reservations to the hereditary aspects. i would rather go for an elective king/queen as a head of state. i am from central europe, we used to elect kings and emperors, at least in the holy roman empire (and since approx XVIcc, estates also had to approve a new king in the kingdom of bohemian crown lands).

cézembre, kupředu pravá, zpátky ni krok!

Thanks for the note - it turned out I had a road trip from Dallas to Los Angeles with stops in New Mexico and Arizona on the way so I have been off the grid for a bit as well.