hthttps://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=722.0

Take a look, please, everyone.  I don't want any lizards to get past our eyes on this one.

WHEREAS on 10 March 2021, GV the Mençéi was making happy preparations for proposing a Living Senäts to his esteemed fellows in that body,

WHEREAS GV to his horror realized the 2017 Organic Law did not have a 'Living Senäts' included,

WHEREAS GV hoped El Lex would clear that logjam,

WHEREAS unfortunately, it did (Lex.H.25),

WHEREAS GV is well aware of the far-greater history of the Cosâ relative to the Senäts and its historical role at setting the agenda and tone for the nation with the Senäts as an agent of checks and balances,

WHEREAS allowing the Senäts to hold its own live sessions independent of the Cosâ is not intended as any agent of change of the prevailing political culture of both institutions,

THEREFORE, the ZIU enacts the following:

Article IV, Section 11 of the 2017 Organic Law is repealed and replaced with the following:

Article IV, Section 11 So long as all Members of the Ziu have ample opportunity to submit their votes remotely, the Cosâ and Senäts together or as independent bodies may set and hold Living Cosâs or Living Senäts to coincide with a Clark as described by law.  Such events shall be held live and may be done by analog and/or electronic means.  The Ziu shall have the power to enforce this section by means of appropriate legislation.

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Should the above amendment to the 2017 Organic Law be passed, the following shall take effect:

Lex.H.25 shall be repealed and replaced with the following:

25.1.1 The Cosa may hold living Cosas during subsequent Clarks by a vote of the Cosa naming the specific month in which the event is to take place. The exact date and location of the Living Cosâ shall be set by the Seneschál after consultation with all relevant parties. All members must receive two weeks notice of the date of the Living Cosâ. The Seneschál may, if events warrant, issue a PD authorizing a Living Cosâ in the following calendar month. Such a PD may be vetoed (in addition to normal means) by a formal protest to the Secretary of State by Members of the Cosâ comprising one-third or greater the number of elected seats in the Cosâ.

25.1.2 Members who cannot attend will not be denied the right to vote on that month's Clark. They may send their votes to the Secretary of State by any means feasible, so that they can be announced at the Living Cosâ. A member may, in writing, delegate his authority to vote (temporarily transfer his seats) to another person who can attend the Living Cosâ, but no individual may hold more than thirty seats, counting both proxy and permanently assigned seats, for purposes of the Living Cosâ. The Ziu may provide by law for quorum requirements, and for attendance via telephone, videoconference, or other remote means.

25.1.3 Votes presented to the Secretary of State after the Living Cosâ will not be counted in the final tally. The final tally of votes on all bills is taken at the end of the Living Cosâ.

25.1.4 New bills, or amendments, may not be presented at the Living Cosâ. No bill not published in the Clark may be debated. Clarks will be published on schedule as usual.

25.1.5 Senators shall be permitted to participate in Living Cosâ debates, but may not vote.

25.2.1 The Senäts may hold living Senäts during subsequent Clarks by a vote of the Senäts naming the specific month in which the event is to take place. The exact date and location of the Living Cosâ shall be set by the Mençéi  after consultation with all relevant parties. All members must receive two weeks notice of the date of the Living Senäts. The Seneschál with concurrence from the Mençéi and one other Senator may, if events warrant, issue a PD authorizing a Living Senäts in the following calendar month. Such a PD may be vetoed (in addition to normal means) by a formal protest to the Secretary of State by Members of the Senäts comprising one-third or greater the number of elected seats in the Senäts.

25.2.2 Members who cannot attend will not be denied the right to vote on that month's Clark. They may send their votes to the Secretary of State by any means feasible, so that they can be announced at the Living Senäts. A member may, in writing, delegate his authority to vote (temporarily transfer his seat) to another person who can attend the Living Senäts, but no individual may hold more than two seats, counting both proxy and permanently assigned seats, for purposes of the Living Senäts. The Ziu may provide by law for quorum requirements, and for attendance via telephone, videoconference, or other remote means.

25.2.3 Votes presented to the Secretary of State after the Living Senäts will not be counted in the final tally. The final tally of votes on all bills is taken at the end of the Living Senäts.

25.2.4 New bills, or amendments, may not be presented at the Living Senäts. No bill not published in the Clark may be debated. Clarks will be published on schedule as usual.

25.2.5 Members of Cosâ shall be permitted to participate in Living Senäts debates, but may not vote.

to be proposed (once Clarked) by GV as Mençéi using his Limousine

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I wonder over the necessity for the clause "The Ziu may provide by law for quorum requirements, and for attendance via telephone, videoconference, or other remote means.", but have left that in for now.  Let's talk on that, specifically.

I would also like to get better enlightened on the rationale for the Senäts never before being able to legally hold its own live sessions.

Hopefully, this can be Clarked for next month, as I'd like at least one Living Senäts next term, whether I am returned as Mençéi or not.

Thanks, all!

GV, Senator for Fiôvâ

I'm pretty sure the government will not fall this month via the VOC, which means we can forge ahead with a Living Senäts for next month's Clark, but done virtually via Zoom or other videoconferencing app.

My hope is to get the event done early in next month to allow for technical mishaps and the like.  Ergo, let's get discussion going on rules for parliamentary procedure, proxies, etc.

Firstly, the 2017 Organic Law does not specifically allow the Senäts to hold a 'Living' session as it does the Cosâ (IV.11).  However, the 2017 does not specifically disallow the Senäts to hold an in-person session of its own. 

However, Lex.H.25.4 is clear: a 'Living Senäts' is currently not allowed under Talossan law, which lives into the 2017 OrgLaw omission of the Senäts from 2017OrgLaw.IV.11

In my opinion, it will take an OrgLaw referendum for us to be able to independently administer our own 'Living' sessions independent of the Cosâ.  Of course, appropriate changes to El Lex will be in order should such an amendment pass.

Many apologies to all for not seeing this sooner.  We will not be able to legally hold a 'Living Senäts' in-person or virtually until this legislative roadblock is remedied.  I will be hoppering legislation, hopefully for inclusion in next month's Clark, and when I have it hoppered, I will let you all know as a reply to this thread.

Thanks, all!

GV, Mençéi

Quote from: GV on March 07, 2021, 09:39:20 PM
For the moment: azure on a cross quadrafoil argent, but let's see it first.

I'm not going to, at the moment, pick 'values' from a list of 'values', but I do realize I need to give you all some rationale:

Blue represents Houston Baptist University (my alma mater) as well as Rice University (my dad's and little brother's alma mater).  It also represents Christ as the 'living waters'.  Of course, the white cross is obvious, the quatrefoil ilk replicating a motif found throughout the worship space of my home church in Houston without being too 'evangelical-obnoxious', though the presence of a giant cross on my arms would be pretty obnoxious.

Blue to me also represents knowledge and wisdom.  White is another of my alma mater's colors (the third is orange) and is one of my high school's colors and one of the colors of both the U. S. and the State of Texas.

My goal is simplicity, and I thought about having just an azure shield and have done with it.  But I thought that would be too simple.

Another possibility would be argent on a cross quatrefoil gules or gules on a cross quatrefoil argent.  However, I much prefer 'cool' colors and also do not want arms with the color black.

I'm not sure if they are registered by the College or not, but if not, I suggest the College do so anyway.

If the King needs to somehow 'recognize' this to make it 'Talossan-legal', then that will be for him to determine.  I just want to be sure no-one else can have it other than Ben.

Ben made this graphic ca. 2001 when he put to Witt his (extant, I think) geneaology going back to the Counts of Toulouse!

For the moment: azure on a cross quadrafoil argent, but let's see it first.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 01, 2021, 02:46:42 PM

Quote from: GV on March 01, 2021, 10:36:25 AM
Për on the bill in question

GV, Fiôvâ

There are two bills in this Clark...

You are indeed correct!  I've made a notation in the incipit to this thread and have edited my own votes thusly.  My bad for reading the version I used originally a little too swiftly. - GV

Definitely I will keep you in mind for this.

My Talossan is terrible at the moment, and I'd love to have Talossan-language content in Oraclâ.  Anything you would like to contribute to this will be much-appreciated.

EDIT: Për on the two bills in question

GV, Fiôvâ

The 'version' of this Clark I originally looked at was, as it turns out, last month's Clark [slaps head].

The bills for this month's Clark are at http://www.talossa.ca/files/clark.php?cosa=55&clark=5

We head to the conclusion of this Cosâ!  To those in Texas (like I), continued best wishes re the aftermath of the great freeze of last month.

Again, no Order Papers until next Cosâ

GV, Mençéi

Bump a second time.  What is the proper procedure for Clarking a bill?  I thought indicating on the Hopper a bill was to be Clarked was sufficient.  Thanks, all!

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on February 26, 2021, 09:07:17 PM
Who would have thought that being in your last semester of college is time consuming?

I promise that there will be at least one more volume before I retire the project, but I can't say for certain when it will come out.

Ugh.  I was hoping your work would be able to continue for a while.  Break a leg!

Per his wife, Maggie, on Facebook within the last two hours as of this Witt post: "Please keep Thomas
in your thoughts and prayers. He was rushed to the ER yesterday and the doctors weren't able to get his atrial fibrillation under control through meds or an electroconversion. Surgery called an ablation is planned for Friday or Monday, whenever they have an opening. They will go into his heart and scrape away cells in hopes of converting his heart to sinus rhythm.  This is posted with Thomas' permission. E-mails can be sent to getwellsoonthomas@gmail.com"

I will send Tomás an email, and I urge all of us to do likewise. 

I would say, in brief, Eiffler's chief contribution to Talossa was as an active memory and as a mind independent of JJ and Ben.  He was critical in providing perspective, and he was active on Wittenberg and in Talossa in general, again, until the late 2000s or early 2010s.

When I came to Talossa in 2000, the truly active people from the Old-Growth crowd were Ben, JJ, and Eiffler.  These were the people whom my 'generation' first knew and looked up to in Talossa.

People might say these three founded and started Talossa.  Of course, it was Ben alone who did that in December 1979, but Eiffler along with JJ (and Conâ!) in late 1980 played along and helped Talossa to, in that way-back time, become something bigger than any of them or anyone since. 

The Conâ Wars was the time when Talossa took on a life of its own, and if only for his part in that, John Eiffler should in Talossa be remembered for all-time.

Bump on 19 Feb as soon as I edited the post above for Clarking.