Dear colleagues, please come to order.

I hereby open this month's session of the Cosă. The timetable is as follows:

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[tr][td]Date Däts[/td] [td]Topic Topic[/td] [td]Speakers Parleirs[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]01 - 11[/td] [td]56RZ1: The Talossa Shall Choose Its King Amendment
56RZ1: L'Amendamaintsch "Talossa Çoiçarha Ça Regeu"[/td] [td]Miestră Schivă, FREEDEMS
HRM John I[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]12 - 21[/td] [td]56RZ2: The Talossan Criminal Law Reform Bill #1
56RZ2: El Proxhet dal Reformaziun del Drept Penal Talossan n:reu 1[/td] [td]Miestră Schivă, FREEDEMS[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]22 - 31[/td] [td]Recess
Spaßetxadă[/td] [td]--[/td][/tr]
[/table]

The first subject on the agenda is RZ1. Once everyone on the Speakers list had had their turn, the remaining MCs will be able to speak about RZ1 in any order they like. You still have the chance to register your speech in this thread, mind you, and I encourage everyone who wishes to speak this month to do so.

Note that this is not a voting thread. The actual voting will take place as usual in the SoS's Voting Thread which is not yet available at the time that I write this, but that shouldn't be an issue.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on July 30, 2021, 06:42:04 PM
Objection. Under El Lexhatx H.23, the Opposition are those members of the Cosa who vote CONTRA on the VoC.

The TNC did vote against the Coalition's Seneschal candidate at first before the vote was edited (is that even allowed?), and since the TNC's status as either part of the Opposition or Government would neither change who the Tanaischteu is nor affect the order of Speakers for the August Clark (simply because no one pre-registered their speeches so there is no fixed order of speakers, meaning everyone will be able to speak in whichever order they feel like), I would say it would be fine to treat the TNC as de facto part the Opposition until they vote Non on the VoC next month.

I'm open to having my mind changed, though.

EDIT: Ah there we go, expressing your intent to vote Non is sufficient. Yeah, I see no problem whatsoever with treating the TNC as part of the opposition then.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 30, 2021, 05:04:02 PM
S:reu Túischac'h, for the purposes of this inquiry and future legislative action the Talossan National Congress is to be considered a member of His Majesty's Opposition.

Acknowledged!

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on July 27, 2021, 04:10:28 PM
You could have privately messaged His Majesty instead of doing it in public.

Sure, but considering that my earlier public correction from April was seemingly ignored -- the original post by His Majesty remains unchanged with all its errors intact -- I fear that it would've just been quietly ignored instead of publicly.

Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on July 27, 2021, 04:09:36 PM
I believe you were working from an old list. His name was spelled exactly the same as the list you edited.

The list I edited was the one I copied directly from http://www.talossa.ca/files/citizens.php a few hours prior. The most recent capture on the WayBack Machine from four months ago still has it.

The error in question was that the name was spelled Martì-Paír instead of Martì-Páir.

So, me and the Mençei S:reu @Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu are in charge of the preparations, yes?

I'd also like to ask the previous Túischac'h @Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù for help with the preparations since he was in charge of the livestream last time.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 26, 2021, 04:18:32 PM
After all, the heads of the Ziu aren't selected with the goal of choosing a reliable and efficient administrator

The heads of the Ziu are selected with the goal of choosing people to run the Ziu. Now I don't know if this is different in the US, but in Germany, this includes setting up the order of business for parliamentary sessions, presiding over debates in the respective chambers and being in charge of parliamentary votes. In Talossa meanwhile, debates don't happen in the chamber but rather in the Hopper (if at all), parliamentary sessions dont exist outside of Living Cosăs which havent been a thing for over a decade, making orders of business pointless and the Secretary of State is in charge of vote tallying. So then, what do the Túischac'h and Mençei actually do all day? And why should it be the Secretary of State's responsibility to pamper them? The fact that there were long periods of time during which there was no Túischac'h without anyone noticing or trying to do something about it is pretty damning.

As the Túischac'h I want to be in charge of the inner workings of the Cosă and its (hypothetical) debates. What else am I supposed to do in that office?

One thing that always baffled me about Talossan-style parliamentarism was that the chronically and notoriously overworked Secretary of State was expected to do all the menial work of the Ziu for them, such as maintaining the Clark, tallying votes etc. Ideally, this should be the Túischac'h's and Mençei's job, and I believe splitting the Clark would help with that transfer of responsibilities.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 26, 2021, 01:23:32 PM
Kind of embarrassing to get publicly corrected like this, honestly.

It wasn't my intention to embarrass you or anyone else, so I deeply apologise. As I said, it's not fun for me either, and I only did it because not doing so as Ladintsch Naziunal would've been negligent on my part and tantamount to nonfeasance in my opinion.

I'm glad that this could be resolved so quickly.

Fun fact: One of the people whose name was misspelled in the Database was none other than Martì-Páir Furxhéir himself!

ATTN:

B - @Xhorxh Briga
DIEN - @Munditenens Tresplet
FREEDEMS - @Txoteu Davinescu
KLüP - @Glüc da Dhi
LCC - @Txosuè Rôibeardescù
NPW - @Eiric Börnatfiglheu
PT - @Marcel Tafial
TNC - @Breneir Tzaracomprada

(as a sidenote, I'm not really convinced that this "tagging" actually does anything...)

Looks like I'll have to use this thread again. Instead of doing a big song and dance routine out of it, I'll just post the corrections directly. Comments are marked in orange.

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Noi IAN, Gräts à (this is pretty interesting, see footnote 1) Díeu Dïeu Regeu da Talossa es da toct sieux Reic'hs es Cuntradas Cuntradăs, Regeu da Cézembre, Avötz da Pengöpäts Péngöpäts es las Nouas Nouăs Falklands, Zefençadeir del Feitz, Duceu dallas Forziuns Armeschti, Vice-Regeu da Hoxha es Vicar d'Atatürk, tiind tischind (how did this happen?) estescu informescu par Noastra Secretar d'Estat, es actind in acurd cün Org.VI.9, apüntent perventüră sa com'el (så here is 1) misspelled and 2) a very weird word choice -- it means "so", not "as") Seneschal del Regipäts Talossa el Pü Þonoresc Txoteu É. Davinescu.

Tiind Tischind reçeitescu del aðviçéu da Noastra Seneschal dels individuais q' qi o (qi does not contract with following vowels) volt servar in Noastra Governmaintsch, Noi façent ocså acestilor apüntamaintschen, es lor comandent à servar el Legeu Orgänic es sieu Regeu àl miglhor da sieux capacitaes.

[li$i][ul]Dama Miestra Schiva Damă Miestră Schivă (re: misspelled names, see footnote 2) sa come la Distain es Avocat l'Avocadă-Xheneral[/ul] (the default gender of a word is used when the correct one is either unknown or irrelevant, neither of which is the case here)
[ul]Sir S:reu Gödafrïeu Valcádac'h Válcadác'h sa com'el Ministreu dal Cúltură es el Ministreu dal Zefençù[/ul]
[ul]Ian Plätschisch sa com'el Ministreu dal Finançù[/ul]
[ul]Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù sa com'el Ministreu dels Afaes Utphätseschti[/ul]
[ul]Eðo Grischün Grischun sa com'el Ministreu à Savanar da Talossa àls Ultra-Fiovaes Folăs[/ul]
[ul]Françal I. Lux sa com'el Ministreu del Interiör[/ul][/li][/list]

Zonescu sub Noastra Noastră mha Rexhital à la Cità da Centennial in Colorado li ziua ziuă vaintsch-secund dal Juliă, in l'ár l'år 2021 dal salvaziun, el qareinçe-secund dal independençù da Talossa, es el sedeschlaiset d'Ár d'Ar röin.

              —  Ian Regeu

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Footnotes:

• On the surface, gräts à is wrong in this context, since it means "thanks to" and not "by the Grace of", which would be par las merþedes da. But, considering that all other Romance languages use the same word in both constructions (e.g. grâce à and par la grâce de in French), one could make the argument that "grace" would be a valid meaning for el gräts and that par el gräts da is a valid translation for "by the Grace of". Gräts à would still be wrong here but it's interesting to consider.
• I hate misspelled names. I hate them so much that I wrote a blog post about it, albeit in Talossan... anyway, the rampant misspellings that float around on here are the bane of my existence, especially considering that the correct spellings are not recorded in one place. The Database, the Wiki, Talossa.Net and of course Witt all have different flavours of misspelled names, making it impossible for laypeople to figure out which one is actually correct! But -- none of this is the King's fault, of course, but arguably Miestră's. The misspelled versions of Válcadác'h, Grischun and for instance Mençei didn't catch on until Miestră used them. I understand how this happened, but it's still annoying. On that note, having a big canonical list of correct name spellings would be nice to have for this very reason.

That's it. Feel free to ask questions if you have any.

EDIT: I derive very little pleasure from these kinds of public corrections (they make me look petty), but it is my firm belief that if State institutions want to make use of the Talossan language, they should use it correctly. Luckily enough, I am also the Ladintsch Naziunal so providing translations for the State is literally my job, so I would be more than happy to assist His Majesty or the Government et al with this task and help correct these mistakes before they go out. Please please please contact me if you want or need my help.

The bill itself looks okay on a first glance, but there are typos in the Talossan names that would need fixing:

el Comità da Redacziun Legislatïu > la Comità da Redacziun Lexhislatïu
Mençéi > Mençei

Dear colleagues,

I can't force anyone to participate in this experiment of course, but for this to work I need your support. Announcing your intention to speak beforehand would help me with organising the upcoming Clark debates, so please consider doing so.

The bill is missing a section in which the references to the Wisconsinite class system outside of Lexh A.1-8 are replaced with the new threeway distinction. The affected sections are Lexh A.9.10, A.22, A.22.1, A.22.2, A.22.3 and C.1.4.4.
I assume the class I felonies will be rebranded to regular felonies, class A misdemeanours to serious misdemeanours and class C misdemeanours to regular misdemeanours.