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Title: Voting
Post by: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2021, 02:23:33 PM
Are we allowed to change our vote?

Ah, I see in RONR:

"A member has the right to change her vote on a motion until the result of the vote has been announced by the presiding officer."

Oh well, waiting for the veto then.

Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2021, 02:24:38 PM
Yes, up until Clark deadline

Amazing that your party campaigned in the last election on supporting the Original Compromise, then you voted against it, THEN you voted against this watered down version. Well has it been said that, in politics, being utterly shameless is a superpower.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2021, 02:24:38 PM
Yes, up until Clark deadline

Amazing that your party campaigned in the last election on supporting the Original Compromise, then you voted against it, THEN you voted against this watered down version. Well has it been said that, in politics, being utterly shameless is a superpower.

@King John, I for one, will be requesting you veto this bill.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2021, 03:23:03 PM
Why though?

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on May 03, 2021, 07:52:03 PM
We are Talossan political parties and intervals who represent the whole range of opinion on the Constitutional issue, from monarchist to republican and everywhere in between.

We believe that the time has come for a historic compromise which settles the question for a Talossan generation or more. Talossa has other, better things to debate.

We believe that the "Talossa Shall Choose Its King Amendment" (proposed to the last Cosă as RZ21) meets the qualifications to be precisely that compromise.


We are disappointed that His Majesty King John vetoed this proposal, and we pledge that - if it is re-presented to the next Coså - we will vote for it.

Despite our disagreements on other issues, we hope, between us, to win sufficient support in the current election to thus at least present this Historic Compromise to the people in referendum, over the Royal veto.

Long live the Kingdom of Talossa!

Signed:

E. S. Börnatfiglheu for the New Peculiar Way
T. E. Davinescù for the Free Democrats of Talossa
B. Itravilatx for the Talossan National Congress
M. E. P. Tafial per el Parti Tafialistà
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: xpb on December 17, 2021, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2021, 02:23:33 PM
Are we allowed to change our vote?

Ah, I see in RONR:

"A member has the right to change her vote on a motion until the result of the vote has been announced by the presiding officer."

Oh well, waiting for the veto then.

Question of the law -- if anyone happens to know : since there are a number of seats per voter, does it remain possible for a vote to be split upon some number of seats in a block as for, and some amount against, and/or some in abstention?
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 17, 2021, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: xpb on December 17, 2021, 03:42:04 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2021, 02:23:33 PM
Are we allowed to change our vote?

Ah, I see in RONR:

"A member has the right to change her vote on a motion until the result of the vote has been announced by the presiding officer."

Oh well, waiting for the veto then.

Question of the law -- if anyone happens to know : since there are a number of seats per voter, does it remain possible for a vote to be split upon some number of seats in a block as for, and some amount against, and/or some in abstention?
Org.VII.9 explicitly limits MCs to voting for, against, or abstaining.  There's no alternative that allows splitting your vote among different options.
Title: Re: Voting
Post by: Tierçéu Rôibeardescù on December 18, 2021, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on December 17, 2021, 02:24:38 PM
Yes, up until Clark deadline

Amazing that your party campaigned in the last election on supporting the Original Compromise, then you voted against it, THEN you voted against this watered down version. Well has it been said that, in politics, being utterly shameless is a superpower.

@King John, I for one, will be requesting you veto this bill.

Id like to hear your reasoning because it's very confusing, your change of heart? Is the bill too strong or too weak? If it's too strong why were you so upset when a far more hardline position was posed in the TSCIK act, that was vetoed? If it's too weak why did you not bring this up before it went to vote? Do we not have the hopper for this very purpose? If you felt so strongly bout bills of this nature would you not have wanted to have a say in how it was written and worded?