Happy Independence Day!

After the revelry leading up to this auspicious occasion I began to wonder if there is an official drink of the realm for this day?

I nominate coffee.

As we await judgement on the cort case Hammond vs Cézembre, it is with the realm of possibility that my appointment could be denied under some level of sanction.

This just popped up in my unread items.

Perhaps a better method would be to adopt https://www.swatch.com/en-us/internet-time.html which establishes 1000 coordinated beats per day.

http://www.swatchclock.com

posted around 922 on Xmas eve

I'm sure my opinion will be in the minority, but I will accept the result of the majority - should this first be voted in l'Etats for placement to the citizens in a referendum?  It would seem to be the case for this and other CAG adjustments. 

Often it may only be that l'Etats members and the occasional bringers of lawsuits might actually vote, but if a change was made to l'Etats (mentioned in the other discussion thread) then second ballots may not be necessary as all would have the opportunity to be seated or to pass along their proxy.

Should someone who had provided a proxy discover a topic that they had a keen interest in they could withdraw their proxy and vote, and reissue it should they desire to later. 

For l'Etats, time and effort would not be spent on those who don't wish to vote, and perhaps do not wish to be bothered by announcements and ballots, although they would be welcome to accept a seat with the option to assign a proxy at any time.  Also to not be confused as the ballot for Lord Warden in this scenario would not be originating from Cézembre

Alternative wording

Chapter II- L'Etats de Cézembre

Article 7. Legislative power in the Sovereign Province of Cézembre is invested in l'Etats de Cézembre. l'Etats shall consist of a variable number of seats, assigned based upon request by citizens of Cézembre. Seats in l'Etats de Cézembre can only be requested by citizens of Cézembre. Citizens may represent more than one seat by proxy, but no more than two additional proxy seats. One seat cannot be divided among nor assigned to more than one citizen.

Article 8. There are no elections to l'Etats, as it is an ongoing body of representatives within Cézembre.  The Sénéchal (or the Governor-General in case the Sénéchal has been absent for more than one week) shall receive written requests for seats in l'Etats by citizens.  After confirmation of credentials of citizenship, those making a request shall be provided a seat in l'Etats.  In turn, the citizen that is seated may extend a proxy for their seat to another seated citizen within l'Etats who does not yet have two proxies held.  A proxy extended must be accepted by a seated member in writing, who shall have full control of that seat until such time the citizen extending the proxy retracts the assignment.  Should a person issuing a proxy to a seat later renounce or be removed from citizenship, the proxy is automatically retracted.

Article 9. The number of seats in l'Etats may not exceed the population of the Province of Cézembre. There will be no vacant seats in the assembly, as they either held by active members, or extended to active members by proxy.  Citizens retain the right of association with any organization that they choose, but their votes from seats in l'Etats de Cézembre are held in their name either by right or by proxy, and are not held by parties, associations, consortiums, corporations, or other organizations.

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on December 19, 2023, 09:10:59 AM

Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on December 17, 2023, 09:52:13 AMI'm fine with this proposal.

As for the option of giving seats to whoever asks, townhall style, I suppose that would work for our current participation rates, but my one concern would be that citizens who are not active are also not getting represented. Perhaps an inbetween variant would be that people can claim a seat for themselves but alternatively appoint someone to receive an extra seat on their behalf (up to a certain limit).

Thanks for this interesting proposal. I'm afraid that if we allow this, then citizens who have not been elected at l'Etats will have 2 votes, one for the initial election, and one afterwards, where they can vote again for their same favorite  member of l'Etats.. To mitigate this, we could either limit to 2 or 3 the number of maximum additional seats given post-elections to a single person, or only allow citizens who did not vote initially to appoint someone to receive an extra seat on their behalf. Your thoughts ?

I'm a bit confused, as in the Townhall style then there would not be a vote for forming l'Etats.  Each person could represent a seat (in fact we would only have a maximum of 16 seats at the moment based upon population).  I'm ok with someone assigning a proxy, but in this case they would first claim the seat, then assign the proxy.  This all would be done in public, there would be no secrecy. 

Someone who had given a proxy after claiming a seat could simply retract their proxy if they wanted to be active in l'Etats, but they would at least have to take the action to claim a seat in order to issue a proxy.  As to the number of proxies that could be held, I'm open to some threshold.  If we had 4 active seat holders, and we had 75% participation of claiming seats (which would be an outlier in terms of participation based upon previous voting patters) that could result in an additional 8 seats claimed and offered as proxy, which could be balanced at 2 per additional per active member in l'Etats.  Certainly the seat holder wishing to offer a proxy could do so to a member of their choosing, until that member had the maximum number of proxies held.

Quote from: mximo on December 03, 2023, 09:33:57 PMWe need some mise à jour here ;)
In date of the 30th november 2023.

Mximo Carbonèl

updated at

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2940

As requested for administrative purposes

Report of the Burgermeister of Inland Revenue for the period 03 Oct 2023 to 30 Nov 2023.

(i) Balances of Treasury accounts as of 30 November:

ℓ805.89 ($1,210.04) Kingdom of Talossa savings account at Ally.com bank currently earning 4.25% APY,
held in trust by Istefan Perþonest with third party administration by Burgermeister of Inland Revenue X. Pol Briga.
(note the $1248.25 reported in https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2773.0 was an error.  On 3 October that amount should have been listed as $1201.65)
Transactions prior to 30 November include adding interest of $4.12 on 10 Oct and $4.27 on 10 Nov.

ℓ31.06 ($46.60) Kingdom of Talossa checking account at Ally.com bank, held in trust by
Istefan Perþonest with third party administration by Burgermeister of Inland Revenue X. Pol Briga
No transactions since 3 Oct

ℓ325.93 ($489.38) Kingdom of Talossa online account at Paypal.com for online transactions via stamps@talossa.com
Held in trust by Istefan Perþonest with third party administration by Burgermeister of Inland Revenue X. Pol Briga

6 Oct $5 from TVD (Senate) fee 0.22 net 4.78
6 Oct $75 from MPC (Donation) fee 3.36 net 71.63
24 Nov $6 from BB (Coin) fee 0.39 net 5.61
27 Nov $11 from MK (Coins) fee 0.64 net 10.36

NOTE: There have been recent statements from PayPal about upcoming regulation to "Avoid  a  hold  and  24%  IRS  backup  withholding  when  you're paid.  Add  your  tax  ID"  These assets are currently attributed to Istefan Perþonest and should transition to an account for a not-for-profit organization representing the Kingdom of Talossa.  To my knowledge the Kingdom does not yet have an EIN or other tax ID.

(ii) Non-cash tangible assets:

As donated by the Burgermeiser - 50 pack of non machineable black bubble mailers (value $8.95), sheet of 20 USPS non machineable stamps (value $21.20) and labels for mailing stamps and coins.

0¤20 Stamps:
No sales, 1 used on each of 2 shipments of coins next to address label across from USPS postage.

ℓ5 Coins:
October 3 there were 192 in treasury, less 3 sold by 30 November total 189

(iii) Report of income and expenditure 03 Oct 2023 to 30 November
INCOME
===
INTEREST $8.39
FEES $4.78
COINS $15.97
DONATIONS $71.63
===
TOTAL $101.31

There were no expenditures

This would be acceptable, perhaps with an addition of a timeframe for a cutoff on the nomination process.  The Chancery also had the concept of write-in candidates which is a recipe for problems when a person not nominated in many cases may not be interested in the position and may not attend to the duties. Someone who nominates themselves or accepts a nomination prior to the election is much more likely to participate.

Thanks for all the effort on this but might it be simplified by just assigning the variable number of seats to all who request them, one per citizen?  Then there will not need to be an election.

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on November 26, 2023, 11:27:03 AM

Quote from: owenedwards on November 14, 2023, 01:42:14 PMI like the town meeting model, so I'd suggest going for XPB's proposal on this specific

what would you change in the below ?

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on November 03, 2023, 01:08:06 PMA possible set-up could be : no provincial assembly, referendum for all (à town hall indeed), more than 50% of expressed votes for all laws, more than 2/3 of expressed votes with at least 50% voters for constitutional changes or Sénéchal revocation,- all province citizen can propose referendum if endorsed also by a second citizen,- specific delays for discussion, formal rephrasing, votes - public opinions / dazibao & lobbying encouraged

Would it be better for instance, to keep l'Etats as our provincial assembly, with 20 seats populated as currently with an election at the start of each Cosa, but with an additional seat given to all Cézembrean citizen requesting one, so without limitation on the number of seats before the new election?
Or, given the current number of candidates for l'Etats, start with an election with 10 seats to be allocated - or to be evolutive - an initial number of seats equal to half the population of Cézembre, rounded to the lowest integer.
This would allow to keep an initial election, with different programs, and a possibility to win a certain number of seats, but to have a variable number of additional seats to involve citizens, build up a growing opposition if needed, or reinforce a majority.

Your thoughts, everyone ?

My thoughts are that with all citizens interested in participating being given a seat in l'Etats (in the next version of the CAG), then the body would be functional to pass such laws as were appropriate for administration, with the occasional referral to all the citizens when needed.  The current l'Etats could develop the new CAG, voting on modifications (such as that for l'Etats) that then would be considered for approval at the next general election.

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on November 29, 2023, 09:55:59 AMI don't handle Patriot Points any longer - that should be @xpb as the Burgermeister.

KATV ViewerVideoFlow - contact @Sevastáin Pinátsch
ManilowMania - contact @Sevastáin Pinátsch, held infrequently
KATV Comedy - contact @Sevastáin Pinátsch
Attachment of Exiled European Talossans - contact Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun

These are run by former citizens so should also be removed.

I will need to review patriot points if that is part of Burgermeister duty.  Are points ongoing or only during a specific timeframe, and if the latter - what is the timeframe?

I have made my application and thank the ministry for this effort.

The basis of this proposal would be to setup either a subforum of the RAK or a specific CAG (CÉZEMBREAN
ADMINISTRATION GUIDE) subforum to discuss each Chapter in turn, as informed by later amendments, such that a new CAG could be developed and referred to the citizens of Cézembre for consideration.

The inital threads in the forum would be

Chapter 0: General Information (to be added the It's about Time Amendment)

Chapter I: The State

Chapter II- L'Etats de Cézembre (this is where the previously posted seats for citizens proposal could land)

Chapter III- Le Sénéchal

Chapter IV - The Governor-General

Chapter V- The Lord Warden

Chapter VI- Distribution of Power

Chapter VII - Justice

Chapter VIII - Amendments

Chapter IX- Ratification

There also could be other chapters added based upon amendments, such as rights granted to citizens and non citizens (such as the Homestead act), opportunities presented (such as the Haxh), and recognition of citizens (Keys to the Kingdom as adjusted)

Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on November 14, 2023, 06:07:59 AMDo you want me to submit to l'Etats a new law and a new CAG with the modifications suggested above ? or do you have other ideas for the representation of Cézembrean citizens ?
Imo, it's better to discuss what we want before a vote on a text ;-)
@Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN @Glüc da Dhi S.H. @xpb

My suggestion - perhaps a CAG convention forum to discuss each article in a separate thread, then blend in material from amendments to create a new unified document to be placed on a referendum to the citizenry.