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El Ziu/The Ziu => La Cosă/The Cosa => Topic started by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 05, 2023, 02:38:32 PM

Title: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 05, 2023, 02:38:32 PM
Estimadas es estimats MCs: I intended at this point to be calling for the election of a Túischac'h, as required by OrgLaw IV.12. However, the procedure for electing a Túischac'h - as previously provided in El Lexhatx - was deleted, by accident. A stuff-up which I take partial responsibility for, because I honestly didn't read that the procedure for electing the Túischac'h was in the part of El Lexh I wanted deleted.

Since we have to elect a Túischac'h anyway, does anyone mind if we use the previous method? I understand that maybe the incoming Cosa majority might have different ideas of how to do it, but I thought it worked well.

QuoteThe Cosa shall elect the Túischac'h as follows. (54RZ21) repealing both (50PD01) (52RZ3)

17.1. At any time between the Election Deadline and the following Dissolution of the Cosa, any Member of the Cosa shall be empowered to publish and open for signatures a petition nominating an eligible person for the office of Túischac'h. (54RZ21) repealing both (50PD01) (52RZ3)
17.2. Once a petition is published, any eligible Member of the Cosa shall be empowered to second the nomination by countersigning the petition in public. (54RZ21) repealing both (50PD01) (52RZ3)
17.3. Members may not second multiple nominations concurrently; if a Member wishes to support a different petition, he/she shall first publicly retract the earlier countersignature. (54RZ21) repealing both (50PD01) (52RZ3)
17.4. Following any number of petitions, presented as above and supporting the same candidate, being signed or counter-signed by members currently representing an absolute majority of seats in the Cosa, the candidate named in the petition(s) shall be declared by the Secretary of State to be the Túischac'h. (54RZ21) repealing both (50PD01) (52RZ3)
17.5. Petitions may not be carried over from one vacancy in the office of Seneschal to Túischac'h. Once a Túischac'h is elected as above, all petitions shall be made moot. (54RZ21) repealing both (50PD01) (52RZ3)
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on February 05, 2023, 07:06:47 PM
Mistakes happen, which is another strong argument for the CRL! I can't speak for the TNC but it is in everyone's best interest that a Túischac'h be elected. What say you TNC?
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 05, 2023, 09:32:05 PM
I mean, I should note that I have a suggestion for the incoming Túischac'h - one conforming to the tradition that the Túischac'h should come from the opposition parties - and that suggestion is Lüc da Schir. But the majority will have the final say.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 06, 2023, 01:14:48 PM
Would @the TNC leadership in the Cosă have any objections to a PD re-establishing the rules for electing a Túischac'h? Time is pressing if we want a Túischac'h to preside over a Living Cosă on the 25th.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Üc R. Tärfă on February 06, 2023, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 06, 2023, 01:14:48 PMWould @the TNC leadership in the Cosă have any objections to a PD re-establishing the rules for electing a Túischac'h? Time is pressing if we want a Túischac'h to preside over a Living Cosă on the 25th.

As the clock is ticking, this could be done immediately also with an emergency PD signed by the current Seneschal. Restoring the needed articles erased from el Lexhatx by a genuine mistake which deal with the election of an organically required figure essential for the working of the Cosa is well inside the perimeter of the caretaker powers of the sitting Government in my opinion, as long as the new articles are the verbatim copy of those previously in force.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 06, 2023, 10:26:24 PM
Okay! Now that thanks to swift action by the King and the outgoing Seneschal the election procedure is back on the books (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2136.0), I am happy to formally open a petition under the restored H.21.1 that Lüc da Schir be Túischac'h for the 58th Cosa, and stake my 14 seats to it.
 
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 07, 2023, 06:54:46 AM
It has been the largest opposition party that gets the post in the past, so that would be my inclination.  Luc would do a fantastic job, of course, but it was the FDT that got the most votes after the TNC.  If @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir says that no one in the FDT can do it at this time, and if Luc is interested in the post, then it's fine with me.

The Túischac'h is going to need to host and run the State Opening, as well as a Living Cosa, I'd imagine, in addition to the CRL duties.  So whoever wants the job should be someone who:
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Sir Lüc on February 07, 2023, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 07, 2023, 06:54:46 AMIt has been the largest opposition party that gets the post in the past, so that would be my inclination.  Luc would do a fantastic job, of course, but it was the FDT that got the most votes after the TNC.  If @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir says that no one in the FDT can do it at this time, and if Luc is interested in the post, then it's fine with me.

For the sake of transparency, I should say that Parti Tafialistà has been approached by the Free Democrats regarding this matter, and I have expressed my willingness to serve as Túischac'h, if nobody else in the opposition wanted a crack at it.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Üc R. Tärfă on February 07, 2023, 12:13:35 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 06, 2023, 10:26:24 PMI am happy to formally open a petition under the restored H.21.1 that Lüc da Schir be Túischac'h for the 58th Cosa, and stake my 14 seats to it.

I second this petition.

Which brings the total seats to: 24.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 07, 2023, 01:21:56 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 07, 2023, 06:54:46 AMIt has been the largest opposition party that gets the post in the past

Not true. Marcel Tafial was Túischac´h in the 56th Cosă.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on February 07, 2023, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 07, 2023, 06:54:46 AMIt has been the largest opposition party that gets the post in the past, so that would be my inclination.  Luc would do a fantastic job, of course, but it was the FDT that got the most votes after the TNC.  If @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir says that no one in the FDT can do it at this time, and if Luc is interested in the post, then it's fine with me.

The Túischac'h is going to need to host and run the State Opening, as well as a Living Cosa, I'd imagine, in addition to the CRL duties.  So whoever wants the job should be someone who:
  • is comfortable conducting meetings over Zoom.
  • is able to help scrutinize legislation in the CRL.

As the FreeDem Leader, i will confirm that the FreeDems support Lüc da Schir as Túischac´h, and will also second the nomination with my own 14 seats
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 07, 2023, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on February 07, 2023, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 07, 2023, 06:54:46 AMIt has been the largest opposition party that gets the post in the past, so that would be my inclination.  Luc would do a fantastic job, of course, but it was the FDT that got the most votes after the TNC.  If @Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir says that no one in the FDT can do it at this time, and if Luc is interested in the post, then it's fine with me.

The Túischac'h is going to need to host and run the State Opening, as well as a Living Cosa, I'd imagine, in addition to the CRL duties.  So whoever wants the job should be someone who:
  • is comfortable conducting meetings over Zoom.
  • is able to help scrutinize legislation in the CRL.

As the FreeDem Leader, i will confirm that the FreeDems support Lüc da Schir as Túischac´h, and will also second the nomination with my own 14 seats
I'll check with my party, but I'm sure Luc will do a great job.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 08, 2023, 11:02:34 AM
I will vote for Luc, as well.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on February 08, 2023, 11:50:27 AM
I vote for Lüc as Túischac'h.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on February 08, 2023, 12:54:47 PM
I will vote for Lüc as well.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Bråneu Excelsio on February 08, 2023, 05:46:59 PM
I vote for the good man Lüc.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on February 09, 2023, 12:09:17 PM
As a majority of the Cosa has now voted, I declare that Sir Lüc da Schir is hereby elected as Túischac'h for the 58th Cosa.

Congratulations Sir Lüc!

(https://i.ibb.co/qMJG5xZ/66-FF1-A4-D-E740-424-D-9-DDF-306-A963-FD97-B.gif)

Sir Txec dal Nordselvă,
Secretár d'Estat
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Sir Lüc on February 09, 2023, 12:49:36 PM
Grült meirci M:sr Secretár d'Estat, es graschciăs per voastră confiençu din me, þonoreschti colegas.
Title: Re: Nomination of a Túischac'h - we messed things up
Post by: Üc R. Tärfă on February 11, 2023, 12:44:44 AM
Gratüleschaziuns Dept. þon Túischac'h!