Iac's suggested SIGN rules are more complicated than the existing CÚG rules which broke down under apathy.

I say: start as simply as possible, add complexity over time if necessary.

I like everything you're saying here - a refreshing new approach, a clean break with the old era.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on December 07, 2019, 06:45:57 PM
Research on older forms of Talossan:[/b] does anyone know what, say, mid-80s Talossan look like? Wouldn't it be useful to know what it looked like in at least some circumstances? We should definitely try to research that more.

Here's a historical sketch of the evolution of the language from KR1, written in the late 90s.  Sadly most of the actual texts would be in old issues of Støtanneu which have never been put online and only exist in KR1's archives, though there are very brief extracts in the 1992 History of Talossa.

So how should a new language organisation operate? Open thread.

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If you're interested in comparison, the old CÚG rules are attached.

Thanks, Marcial. I think your PDF contains a good compromise for a "Provisional Standard" which is "good enough for Government work", as the saying goes.

But it is very crucial that we don't confuse the short term for the long term. We need a CÚG replacement that will do proper language research of the kind Epic suggests. We also need a Standard Talossan right now. The two are not in conflict. In fact, I hope that by establishing a standard that some speakers might not like, you guys will be motivated to organise SIGN properly, do the research, and create a better standard.

I look forward to Epic, Marcel, Iac and others (with my contribution, of course) setting up the rules by which SIGN will operate. Making rules of authority and of decision-making that will allow us to create Arestadâs or whatever in the way that CÚG used to; and carrying out the research that Epic talks about that make sure we make good ones.

In the meantime, I say that Marcel's proposal is good enough for right now.

If you people had got it together to make something happen in the 2 years (!!!) I've been trying to herd you like recalcitrant cats, then this measure would not be necessary.

You don't get to pass the buck, disappear, not do the work, and play "wish someone else would..." anymore, because it's me with whom the buck stops. Extreme measures are now necessary. I am giving Marcel the power because doing this the consensus way got nowhere.

Nevertheless, once SIGN is formally established, democracy will be restored within the language community. If you have a better way to break the deadlock of the last 2 years, now is the time to recommend it.

Many people complain about inactivity in Talossa, call it a "nation-threatening crisis", and then complain about any serious measures meant to change that.

If the CÚG were ever to bestir itself to object, that might have some relevance.

HAHAHAHAHA you called my bluff and I wasn't bluffing.

Go for it. If you want me to countersign your proposals as the One True Talossan (until SIGN is properly set up), I will.

La Società per l'Ilesnaziun del Glheþ Naziunal

By the power inherent in my role as Minster of Culture of the Kingdom of Talossa, I decree:

- that as soon as the Still Into This Amendment takes effect SIGN is the only national body responsible for protecting, defending, developing and setting standards for ár glheþ naziunál, el glheþ Talossán.
- that (subject to confirmation by the poll attached to this message) @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial will be Provisional Convenor of SIGN and will have unilateral authority to set up standards for el glheþ, and to create membership and decision-making rules for SIGN, subject only to counter-signature by the Minister of Culture.

Anyone got a problem with this?

I think that whichever of you guys actually wants to take responsibility for getting SIGN started and making policy on orthography and everything else will be recommended for the Order of the Purple Tongue by myself.

Sadly, everything I saw over the last term was everyone saying "no not me" and ducking for cover, while agreeing that someone else should do it.

I'm not a fan of having a whole bunch of minifora which will seldom get used.

Esteemed Fiováes and others present!
The role of Capitán (head of government, analogous to Governor) of this province has been vacant since June 1 of this year, when Audradâ Roibeardét declined to stand again and there were no candidates for the office.

Given that I have been informed that a Fiovan has decided to stand up and make themselves available for this role, I hereby announce that nominations are now open for the role of Capitán of Fiovâ for the term ending June 1 2020.

In accordance with The Fiovan Elections and Referendum Law Title III, all candidates must provide:

   
• their name
• their party affiliation (if any) and
• a statement, no longer than 50 words, of their candidate's aims and objectives

See you again in a week!

miestrâ, provincial SoS since time immemorial

(this message is copied identically on the "other" Wittenberg)

Quote from: Sevastáin Pinátsch on December 05, 2019, 07:23:33 PM
What's to stop France from annexing you back? Is your barbed wire better quality? Are they unaware of your existence? Or just indifferent?

According to the 1992 History of Talossa, KR1 formally notified the French government of the annexation by nailing a postcard to the internal wall of one of the German WW2 forts on Cézembre, so obviously they must have taken notice of that.

There is currently no authority except common usage. Since "Still Into This" passed the CÚG no longer has any standing in law and SIGN doesn't really exist yet.

The analysis of the election results would be more interesting if it diverged from the maths a little bit to questioning why the large surprises happened. The two "random factors" would IMHO be: (a) a truly sterling GOTV effort from the PNP; (b) the entire Ventrútx family neglecting to vote.