The Electoral Commission has voted to certify the above results, in addition to the raw provincial votes listed in the database.



Glüc da Dhi,
Secretary of State

The preliminary results of the August 2020 Benito Senate election are as follows:

12 citizens voted

First round:
Eiric Börnatfiglheu - 5 votes
Mitchel Paul - 1 vote
Erschéveþ (Ely) da Schir - 1 vote
Iason Taiwos - 1 vote
Istefan Éovart Perþonest - 1 vote

total: 9

Eiric Börnatfiglheu is elected in the third round.
These results are preliminary and may be subject to change.

http://www.talossa.ca/files/election_result.php?cosa=55&sorting=Name

The preliminary results of the August 2020 Cézembre Senate election are as follows:

16 citizens voted

First round:
Ian Tamoran - 7 votes
Sir X. Pol Briga - 5 votes
Ián da Bitoûr - 1 vote
Litz Cjantscheir - 1 vote

total: 14

No candidate receives a majority in the first round.
Two candidates are tied for last place.

Second preferences:
Ián da Bitoûr - 0 votes
Litz Cjantscheir - 0 votes

Third preferences:
Ián da Bitoûr - 1 vote
Litz Cjantscheir - 1 vote


Fourth preferences:
Ián da Bitoûr - 1 vote
Litz Cjantscheir - 0 votes

Litz Cjantscheir is eliminated in the first round.


Second round:

Ian Tamoran - 7 votes
Sir X. Pol Briga - 6 votes
Ián da Bitoûr - 1 vote

total: 14

No candidate receives a majority in the second round.
Ián da Bitoûr is eliminated in the second round.

Third round:

Ian Tamoran - 7 votes
Sir X. Pol Briga - 6 votes

total: 13

Ian Tamoran is elected in the third round.
These results are preliminary and may be subject to change.

http://www.talossa.ca/files/election_result.php?cosa=55&sorting=Name

Turnout: 105

Cosa votes (preliminary):
FREEDEMS - 46
LCC - 34
NPW - 13
Present/invalid - 12

Cosa seats (preliminary):
FREEDEMS - 99
LCC - 73
NPW - 28

Referendum on 54RZ16:
Per - 56
Contra - 31
Abstain/present/invalid - 18
The amendment passed.

Referendum on 54RZ22:
Per - 68
Contra - 24
Abstain/present/invalid - 13
The amendment passed.

Referendum on 54RZ23:
Per - 55
Contra - 33
Abstain/present/invalid - 17
The amendment passed.

Referendum on 54RZ25:
Per - 61
Contra - 20
Abstain/present/invalid - 24
The amendment passed.

Referendum on 54RZ28:
Per - 65
Contra - 25
Abstain/present/invalid - 15
The amendment passed.

These results are preliminary and may be subject to change.

http://www.talossa.ca/files/election_result.php?cosa=55&sorting=Name

I feel like the King represents the story of Talossa that goes beyond the political hype of the day. In a sense the monarch acts (or should act) as a cultural counterweight to the dominance of politics in Talossa.

Everything else is decided by the Ziu or government. Ideally the King is the only thing that isn't, so I'd much prefer some set up that doesn't involve either of those.

If in the future I ever have more time and energy I'd love to assist in expanding (and perhaps offer a different perspective on) the history past 2009 (and maybe do some digging into what happened in the Kingdom 2005-2009 as well).

Fwiw, I don't think the census is completely useless.

From what I understand the original point was mostly to give those who would rather express their talossanity in some other way than voting an alternative. The downside of that is that perhaps fewer people vote, the upside is that perhaps more people who don't like politics stick around. I suspect both these effects are rather minor and only concern a small percentage of the population.

In addition, we get some nice statistics, and I was hoping, with Iasons help, to use location data from the census to track citizens who are assigned to the wrong province and provide them the option of changing province. None of this is crucial to our existence, but it's nice, and I think the census hasn't lived up to its full potential yet. (I had hoped to ask mpf at some point in the future to make it so that the SoS can send send out census emails themselves, and maybe change the questions, but I never got around to that.)

The thing about incorrect contact information though is that you will get neither the census nor the ballot when the chancery hasn't got your email and the latter will just always result in a lot more people (namely, politicians that want to be elected) telling you to do something about it. As a result, fixing email addresses has become pretty much a main part of running the election.

Throwing out citizens who vote but dont fill out the census would have a crippling effect I fear.

Compulsory voting on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. There is definitely a good argument for it.

However, perhaps the current system isn't all that bad. It's a bit messier maybe, but mostly it does its job at keeping Talossans on board, without filling the rolls with people who have permanently left Talossa behind.

Fwiw, I don't like non-binding referenda either way, but if we're gonna have one, might as well have some appealing options on there. In the current proposal all three options are bad imho.

Actually, the npw dual head of state thing could probably be added as well.

Quotethe King of Talossa shall be replaced by an elected Head of State.

This should probably be rewritten as we may have an elected Head of State already.

Perhaps:
* The King of Talossa shall be replaced by a regularly elected president.

Additionally, can the following options be added:

* The Hereditary Monarchy shall be restored.
* An Electoral College, which shall be independent of the Ziu, shall be established to nominate future monarchs.

To be fair, sir AD has done a LOT for Talossa, both as a legislator and otherwise.

Scrutiny of our laws is a good thing, even by citizens who don't hold cosa seats. If anything we should have more of it.

(And of course, earlier in the process is always better, but this shouldn't be used to silence anyone or ignore valid comments that happen to be late. It's better that these things get pointed out late than never.)

Edit: wrote this before seeing ADs reply

Anyway, Muhammed, it's not as excited as the real election, but if you're interested, you're very welcome to vote on the Talossan Music Top 20:

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=381.msg2671#new

Well thanks...

The Chancery does not report to the nimlet, yet without consultation you wrote a provincial law telling the Chancery what to do. Nothing is stopping you from going to the CpI if you think I'm breaking the OrgLaw. I've tried to explain my perspective on this. Fine if you disagree with my interpretation, but please don't call me obnoxious.

(Edit: I'm fine with stubborn though)

Either way, I would advise anyone to take some time to figure out the main political issues and understand more about how Talossa works before joining a party.

(Btw, also, this: http://wiki.talossa.com/Broosking Not saying anyone is doing that here, but I hope it's still something people are cautious about.)

Finding more Talossans on facebook is a good idea for any new citizen though. There is a semi-active witt facebook group that should probably be used more.

Quote from: Açafat del Val on August 02, 2020, 10:14:52 AM
once I joined a political party, I suddenly had access to an active and responsive network of Talossans.

It's probably true that joining a political party is the fastest way to join a network. The sad thing is that this usually results in citizens joining parties not out of ideological agreement (or even understanding of the issues), but for networking purposes. Especially when there is one dominant party this creates a positive feedback loop that can be really suffocate political diversity. This was very much true in the RUMP days (and to be honest, I think Talossan political life is a lot more similar to the RUMP era than it was say 5 years ago, for multiple reasons) Also, it means that its harder for anyone not immediately interested in politics to fit in.