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Title: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 02, 2024, 02:09:46 PM
I know I said I wouldn't do anything as Senator, but I have decided to do a thing anyway, which is to propose an OrgLaw amendment which sets the deadline for election night at a time which is much more reasonable for Cézembre (midnight instead of 2:30 am)

Cézembreans are very much encouraged to have a look and provide feedback. I am interested to know if there is support for this change within our province.

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3108.msg25629#new
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: xpb on March 02, 2024, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 02, 2024, 02:09:46 PMI know I said I wouldn't do anything as Senator, but I have decided to do a thing anyway, which is to propose an OrgLaw amendment which sets the deadline for election night at a time which is much more reasonable for Cézembre (midnight instead of 2:30 am)

Cézembreans are very much encouraged to have a look and provide feedback. I am interested to know if there is support for this change within our province.

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3108.msg25629#new

You provide a quite reasonable adjustment for the GTA  How will it blend with your CAG A10
The it's about time act (confirmed by the Crown on 19 January 2021 but proposed well before that but not acted upon)?

Whereas it doesn't make much sense for Talossan Standard Time being used in Cézembre, and

Whereas in the neighbouring French Town of St. Malo Central European Time is being used, now

Therefore unless when otherwise mentioned the time used for official business in Cézembre will be UTC +1, which shall be referred to as CÉzembrean Time (CÉT), except in the period between the last sunday in March, 01:00 UTC and the last sunday in October, 01:00 UTC, when the time used for official business in Cézembre will be UTC +2, which shall be referred to as CÉzembrean Summer Time (CÉST).
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 06, 2024, 05:21:42 PM
Quote from: xpb on March 02, 2024, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 02, 2024, 02:09:46 PMI know I said I wouldn't do anything as Senator, but I have decided to do a thing anyway, which is to propose an OrgLaw amendment which sets the deadline for election night at a time which is much more reasonable for Cézembre (midnight instead of 2:30 am)

Cézembreans are very much encouraged to have a look and provide feedback. I am interested to know if there is support for this change within our province.

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3108.msg25629#new

You provide a quite reasonable adjustment for the GTA  How will it blend with your CAG A10
The it's about time act (confirmed by the Crown on 19 January 2021 but proposed well before that but not acted upon)?

Whereas it doesn't make much sense for Talossan Standard Time being used in Cézembre, and

Whereas in the neighbouring French Town of St. Malo Central European Time is being used, now

Therefore unless when otherwise mentioned the time used for official business in Cézembre will be UTC +1, which shall be referred to as CÉzembrean Time (CÉT), except in the period between the last sunday in March, 01:00 UTC and the last sunday in October, 01:00 UTC, when the time used for official business in Cézembre will be UTC +2, which shall be referred to as CÉzembrean Summer Time (CÉST).

Well that act doesn't set a particular deadline for any official business, it just sets the 'default' time zone for Cézembre. The Organic Law however uses Talossan Standard Time. The proposed amendment concerns the deadline for national general elections, so the two don't necessarily clash, if that is your question.

As for what it would mean from a CET/CEST perspective: the proposed deadline is 5 pm TST, which would be midnight CET/CEST*


* Except, confusingly, for elections ending November 1st, because daylight savings time in North America ends later than in Europe, so then it would be 11 pm CET/CEST instead.
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: xpb on March 07, 2024, 09:01:20 PM
0000 (or 2300) would seem to be reasonable for CZ instead of 0230.
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 08, 2024, 01:58:16 AM
Quote from: xpb on March 07, 2024, 09:01:20 PM0000 (or 2300) would seem to be reasonable for CZ instead of 0230.
22:00 would be more reasonable in my opinion (I'm just suggesting)
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 11, 2024, 02:23:49 AM
@Glüc da Dhi S.H. the EU plans to stop observing daylight savings this year, meaning, this year will be the last time we switch to summer time and we will stay that way. So my theory is that CEST will be removed and CET will be modified to be the former CEST (which is UTC+2). This does bring pros such as that days are longer but also cons which are that people sleep shorter.
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on March 11, 2024, 04:30:23 AM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 11, 2024, 02:23:49 AM@Glüc da Dhi S.H. the EU plans to stop observing daylight savings this year, meaning, this year will be the last time we switch to summer time and we will stay that way. So my theory is that CEST will be removed and CET will be modified to be the former CEST (which is UTC+2). This does bring pros such as that days are longer but also cons which are that people sleep shorter.
There are no plans for the EU to end Daylight Savings Time this year.

In 2018, the European Commission proposed an end to clock shifts. However, the European Council has not agreed on its position. The European Parliament voted in favour of adopting the change. However the Council and Parliament must reach an agreement for the change to occur - which as of the time of writing hasn't yet happened (and given the Council needs unity within EU before acting - it could be a while).
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 11, 2024, 04:53:54 AM
Quote from: Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on March 11, 2024, 04:30:23 AM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 11, 2024, 02:23:49 AM@Glüc da Dhi S.H. the EU plans to stop observing daylight savings this year, meaning, this year will be the last time we switch to summer time and we will stay that way. So my theory is that CEST will be removed and CET will be modified to be the former CEST (which is UTC+2). This does bring pros such as that days are longer but also cons which are that people sleep shorter.
There are no plans for the EU to end Daylight Savings Time this year.

In 2018, the European Commission proposed an end to clock shifts. However, the European Council has not agreed on its position. The European Parliament voted in favour of adopting the change. However the Council and Parliament must reach an agreement for the change to occur - which as of the time of writing hasn't yet happened (and given the Council needs unity within EU before acting - it could be a while).
Interesting, I swear I have heard about plans to end it
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on March 11, 2024, 02:15:38 PM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 11, 2024, 04:53:54 AM
Quote from: Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN on March 11, 2024, 04:30:23 AM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 11, 2024, 02:23:49 AM@Glüc da Dhi S.H. the EU plans to stop observing daylight savings this year, meaning, this year will be the last time we switch to summer time and we will stay that way. So my theory is that CEST will be removed and CET will be modified to be the former CEST (which is UTC+2). This does bring pros such as that days are longer but also cons which are that people sleep shorter.
There are no plans for the EU to end Daylight Savings Time this year.

In 2018, the European Commission proposed an end to clock shifts. However, the European Council has not agreed on its position. The European Parliament voted in favour of adopting the change. However the Council and Parliament must reach an agreement for the change to occur - which as of the time of writing hasn't yet happened (and given the Council needs unity within EU before acting - it could be a while).
Interesting, I swear I have heard about plans to end it
It was - in 2019 the European Parliament voted to end Daylight Savings Time, and a deadline of March 2021 was set, responsibility for negotiating the specifics passed to individual EU member states at Council level. In order for the proposal to be adopted, it must receive a qualified majority of votes at the EU Council. To attain a qualified majority, the proposal must get the votes of 55% of member states, representing 65% of the EU population. 
 
Evidently, the deadline was missed, and progress on the abolition of daylight savings time has stalled due to a lack of consensus among EU member states and a number of more pressing concerns in that time, including Brexit, Covid-19 and the invasion of Ukraine.

So for now plans to get rid of Daylight Savings Time have been indefinitely shelved. 
 
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 12, 2024, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 08, 2024, 01:58:16 AM
Quote from: xpb on March 07, 2024, 09:01:20 PM0000 (or 2300) would seem to be reasonable for CZ instead of 0230.
22:00 would be more reasonable in my opinion (I'm just suggesting)
I'd be fully on board with that. However, we do also need to keep in mind those living in America, who might prefer 17:00 over 15:00. I feel like there is a very strong argument that 2:30 am is not a reasonable time for Cézembre. I fear the case for moving to 15:00 TST / 22:00 CET would not be as strong.
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 12, 2024, 04:39:13 PM
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 12, 2024, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 08, 2024, 01:58:16 AM
Quote from: xpb on March 07, 2024, 09:01:20 PM0000 (or 2300) would seem to be reasonable for CZ instead of 0230.
22:00 would be more reasonable in my opinion (I'm just suggesting)
I'd be fully on board with that. However, we do also need to keep in mind those living in America, who might prefer 17:00 over 15:00. I feel like there is a very strong argument that 2:30 am is not a reasonable time for Cézembre. I fear the case for moving to 15:00 TST / 22:00 CET would not be as strong.
Not me forgetting time zones exist...
Title: Re: I did a thing, please have a look
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on March 12, 2024, 05:53:02 PM
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 12, 2024, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on March 08, 2024, 01:58:16 AM
Quote from: xpb on March 07, 2024, 09:01:20 PM0000 (or 2300) would seem to be reasonable for CZ instead of 0230.
22:00 would be more reasonable in my opinion (I'm just suggesting)
I'd be fully on board with that. However, we do also need to keep in mind those living in America, who might prefer 17:00 over 15:00. I feel like there is a very strong argument that 2:30 am is not a reasonable time for Cézembre. I fear the case for moving to 15:00 TST / 22:00 CET would not be as strong.
Non-Cézembrien poking my head in for just a moment -- worth noting that 17:00 TST is also 15:00 Pacific Time as it is; 17:00 TST will be cutting in to workdays of most on the West Coast in the US.