Then I think we have consensus!
Happy to hear suggestions for minor tweaks etc before it goes to the CRL in 3 days.
Happy to hear suggestions for minor tweaks etc before it goes to the CRL in 3 days.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 18, 2024, 01:20:29 PMWe do still need to fix some of the fine details to make it work. I notice that you seem to be trying to steer me away from writing any of the actual text of the bill. Would you prefer to do it yourself, and I can just tell you the problems with the text as it stands? Or would you prefer I write a modified draft of what you have proposed?
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 17, 2024, 01:23:43 PMThe other thing is a really good start, but I do think it would be really preferable to include the convocation thing as well. I'm ready to write up a version of it to hash out the details, presuming you're okay with the basic concept. I don't think it should take that long.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on April 16, 2024, 09:35:50 PMThe Succession Amendment
BE IT ENACTED by the King, Cosă and Senäts of Talossa in Ziu assembled that Article II.3 of the Organic Law, which currently reads:QuoteThe King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency.
shall be amended to read as follows:Quote1. The King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne.
2. The King may nominate an Heir Presumptive, to be approved by the Ziu and people by the same procedure as for an ordinary amendment of this Organic Law.
3. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne.
4. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Heir Presumptive shall become King; but there is no Heir Presumptive, the Ziu may nominate a new King following the same procedure as for an ordinary amendment of this Organic Law.
5. During any time that the throne is vacant and there is no Heir Presumptive, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency in accordance with law.
Quote4. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Heir Presumptive shall become King.
Upon any vacancy on the Throne with no Heir Presumptive, a Convocation of Succession shall be called and chaired by the Senior Judge of the Uppermost Cort, or in their absence the next available Judge in order of seniority, by publicly submitting to the Secretary of State a message to all eligible electors announcing the Convocation and providing instructions on how and when to register to participate. Upon receiving the message, the Secretary of State shall be responsible for communicating the message to all eligible electors. The Convocation shall commence fourteen days from the moment the Secretary of State sends the message to the electors.
Any Talossan shall who became a citizen no less than seven years before the date when the Judge submits the message to the Secretary of State shall be eligible to be an elector in the Convocation, but only those who register with the Judge before the Convocation commences shall be electors.
All discussions of the Convocation shall be open, but its votes shall be by secret ballot. The votes of every elector shall have equal weight. All other operations of the Convocation shall be decided by the Convocation or prescribed by statute.
At this meeting of the Convocation, an Heir Presumptive to the Throne of Talossa shall be chosen by the expressed support of 2/3 of the Convocation, and submitted to the Ziu and people for ratification by the same procedure as for an ordinary amendment of this Organic Law.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 16, 2024, 09:55:08 PMI have to admit that I don't really understand the point of this legislation? The legislature can amend the Orglaw and submit the amendment for ratification by the people, or can depose the king by a similarly high standard of passage for certain specified causes, but this appears to just be an ephemeral bill to depose the king?
If the king wishes to abdicate, he doesn't need this legislation. If he does not wish to abdicate, this probably would need to be phrased differently.
QuoteThe King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency.
Quote1. The King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne.
2. The King may nominate an Heir Presumptive, to be approved by the Ziu and people by the same procedure as for an ordinary amendment of this Organic Law.
3. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne.
4. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Heir Presumptive shall become King; but there is no Heir Presumptive, the Ziu may nominate a new King following the same procedure as for an ordinary amendment of this Organic Law.
5. During any time that the throne is vacant and there is no Heir Presumptive, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency in accordance with law.
QuoteThe King of Talossa is King John I, until his demise, abdication, or removal from the throne. Should the King at any time renounce or lose his citizenship, that renunciation or loss shall be deemed to imply his abdication of the Throne. Upon the demise, abdication, or removal from the Throne of the King, the Uppermost Cort shall be a Council of Regency.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 15, 2024, 07:36:42 PMWe should establish an expectation and a norm in the law that His Majesty nominates someone, the Ziu approves it, and the people affirm it.
Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on April 15, 2024, 01:27:46 PMI just read Baron Alexandreu's words, and I agree that letting the King propose a successor would be the most coherent scenario to ensure the historical continuity on which our Nation is build upon.
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on April 15, 2024, 09:16:52 AMHave we considered just asking the King who he would want his successor to be?
A concern of a lot of FreeDems is that, if the King picks, his selection would be unpalatable. If we ask in advance, we could see if that person would have broad support and then we can just amend the Organic Law accordingly, without all the red tape.
Quote from: mximo on April 14, 2024, 09:55:35 PMSometimes it seems like your comments about me aren't changing.