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Title: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on July 07, 2022, 08:28:26 PM
Going to start another quickly inactive Talossan organization because I doubt few of you collect comic books, but we're a real nation and should do what other nations do, so, I hereby establish the Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society. (The Cjovani Comics Library is well over 6000 volumes, with more coming in all the time.)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 21, 2023, 06:36:30 AM
Adequate place to go on our conversation on comics & graphic novels ?
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on July 21, 2023, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 21, 2023, 06:36:30 AMAdequate place to go on our conversation on comics & graphic novels ?
Yep!
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 21, 2023, 12:08:41 PM
Do you know of the One-Stripe Album called « Phallaina » from Marietta Ren ?
Brand new graphic novel experience.. there's a version in english
https://www.francetvlab.fr/en/posts/phallaina-a-new-kind-of-graphic-novel
On ios and android
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on July 21, 2023, 05:12:19 PM
Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 21, 2023, 12:08:41 PMDo you know of the One-Stripe Album called « Phallaina » from Marietta Ren ?
Brand new graphic novel experience.. there's a version in english
https://www.francetvlab.fr/en/posts/phallaina-a-new-kind-of-graphic-novel
On ios and android
I was unfamiliar with it...downloaded it, currently reading it. Absolutely fantastic!!! Is this the only thing like this?
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 23, 2023, 03:45:50 AM
Unfortunately I've never found anything as good as this..
I did a bit of googling yesterday, these are interesting :
https://www.matthuynh.com/theboat
http://www.mediaentity.net/mobile/en/  (only the 4 first chapters are for free)
Do you recommend any online graphic stories ?
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on July 24, 2023, 01:51:26 PM
To be honest, I've not really looked into web comics that much. (I know, I'm really behind the times. It would certainly save me space...instead of having boxes of print comics stacked everywhere!) The most reading of comics I've done online have just been old public domain comics that people have scanned and uploaded to various websites.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 24, 2023, 02:07:15 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230724/4b2816de5ccbdb4fa06bc2580311fcf6.jpg)
The comics shelves of my local library.. wish I had more spare time !
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: þerxh Sant-Enogat on August 03, 2023, 01:19:14 AM
Has the following album now been published in english ?
For me one of the best mainstream album those latter years
https://www.tcj.com/a-picture-isnt-always-worth-a-thousand-words/

Which album would you advise ?

One day we will be more than 2 in the club, and we'll organise the Talossan Comics Tournament ;-)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: þerxh Sant-Enogat on August 03, 2023, 04:30:33 AM
Interesting subject but boring story
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230803/ccf69adc178bc67c45fa666b7805b2d0.jpg)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on August 03, 2023, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on August 03, 2023, 01:19:14 AMHas the following album now been published in english ?
For me one of the best mainstream album those latter years
https://www.tcj.com/a-picture-isnt-always-worth-a-thousand-words/

Which album would you advise ?

One day we will be more than 2 in the club, and we'll organise the Talossan Comics Tournament ;-)
As far as I can tell, it has not yet been published in English. Looks interesting, tho.
The American comics industry still seems to be largely dominated by the Big Two (Marvel and DC), and that's pretty much all you can find at our local comics stores. Indie books and imports are hard to find unless I go to one of the bigger stores, say, in Pittsburgh. (Well...manga is pretty popular everywhere.) So, most of the stuff I have access to is superhero comics. (Occasionally I'll find some offbeat stuff in the bargain bins.)
Recommending stuff is hard, because I'm not sure what all you like. If you like superheroes, I've been enjoying Dan Jurgens' run on Action Comics lately (Superman), which came out a few years ago. I'm not sure if they've been reprinted in trade paperback (or album) format yet. (I mainly collect single issues.) I've recently begun a re-read of Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which I think is great (I have the whole series.) I also really like Nemesis the Warlock...it's a British comic that came out in the eighties that I've recently discovered. The whole series has been reprinted in three volumes.
We actually have another member of the Society, Vitxalmour Conductour, who probably has over 10,000 comics by now. But he seldom gets on Witt.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Tric'hard Lenxheir on August 03, 2023, 08:18:20 PM
The only comic I have that might be mildly valuable is the issue of Superman when he returns from the dead and the plastic sleeve is autographed by the artist. I also have the first ever appearance in marvel comics of The Punisher but it is in horrible condition.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on August 04, 2023, 12:07:32 AM
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on August 03, 2023, 08:18:20 PMThe only comic I have that might be mildly valuable is the issue of Superman when he returns from the dead and the plastic sleeve is autographed by the artist. I also have the first ever appearance in marvel comics of The Punisher but it is in horrible condition.
Amazing Spider-Man #129? Yeah, it ain't worth anything. I'll gladly take it off your hands. 😆
Superman has died and resurrected in so many issues, I'll need more to go on. Issue number, title, and who signed it?
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Tric'hard Lenxheir on August 04, 2023, 07:11:26 AM
I'm a truck driver and I won't be home until next weekend. I will see if I can find it
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on September 02, 2023, 03:31:08 PM
I believe the issue Tric'hard is talking about may possibly be Superman #500. This run of Superman (from his death to resurrection) was fairly popular at the time, so they printed a whole bunch of every issue...I'm still finding them in dollar bins. However, #500 is a major key, and having it signed would make it slightly more valuable than an unsigned copy.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Tric'hard Lenxheir on September 02, 2023, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: Iason Taiwos on September 02, 2023, 03:31:08 PMI believe the issue Tric'hard is talking about may possibly be Superman #500. This run of Superman (from his death to resurrection) was fairly popular at the time, so they printed a whole bunch of every issue...I'm still finding them in dollar bins. However, #500 is a major key, and having it signed would make it slightly more valuable than an unsigned copy.

So probably worth $1.23
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on September 30, 2023, 06:39:35 PM
https://comicbookplus.com/
This is a great source for extremely hard to find (public domain) comics.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on May 18, 2024, 08:36:08 PM
An American company, Papercutz (headed by former Marvel Comics editor Jim Salicrup) has begun releasing new editions of the Asterix books (three of the original albums per volume), and I've picked up the first four. I believe these editions cover books originally published from 1961-67. I read a few of the Asterix books when I was maybe 10 or 11, and loved them then. Re-reading them now as a fifty year old, they're still great, and I found myself laughing out loud quite a bit. Superb art and storytelling. Highly recommended. (No wonder they have an Asterix theme park in France.) (Asterix is apparently one of the most popular comics series in history, but sadly remains relatively unknown in the US.)
Other recent purchase was the premier issue of the revived "Savage Sword of Conan", by Titan Comics. The original Savage Sword was a black and white, magazine sized book published by Marvel, which ran from 1973 until sometime in the mid nineties. I was a big fan back in my teenage years. Glad to say, the first issue of the new series is great. Like the original, it's printed on newsprint (ahhh...inhale those pages, you can smell the ink!), and features a fine Conan story by Arcudi and Fafner. The back up story features Solomon Kane, story and art by Patch Zircher (may be actually better than the Conan story.) Well worth acquiring (the $6.99 cover price is nice.)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Ián Tamorán S.H. on May 23, 2024, 06:43:15 AM
I love Asterix! The English translations are wonderful - and all the better when you read the (original) French, which contains just as many puns and wordplays as the English. I giggle at both versions - excellent.
Come on, US - read Asterix!  :)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on May 23, 2024, 03:47:10 PM
Quote from: Ián Tamorán S.H. on May 23, 2024, 06:43:15 AMI love Asterix! The English translations are wonderful - and all the better when you read the (original) French, which contains just as many puns and wordplays as the English. I giggle at both versions - excellent.
Come on, US - read Asterix!  :)

These books I got contain brand new English translations... in Volume One, it says "The previous excellent English translations by Anthea Bell and Derek Hockridge were wonderful, but our goal is to help make Asterix as accessible as possible to new generations here in the USA, while maintaining everything that made Asterix great in the first place."
I no longer possess my copies of those Bell/Hockridge editions, so I can't compare them to the new, "Americanized" translation. I do notice that they've changed Getafix back to Panoramix (which I understand was his name in the original French version), and there are footnotes supplying translations for all the Latin phrases used throughout the series. (Because they don't teach Latin as a required course in American schools.)
I'm trying to do a minuscule part in spreading the glory of Asterix, I've got my wife reading volume one, and hope to introduce them to the grandkids sometime soon.
Oddly enough, I discovered Asterix in England! I went on a school trip to England and Scotland as a kid. I was already a comic book fanatic by then. It was in the gift shop of the British Museum that I saw these interesting looking books on the shelf. I bought four or five of them, and absolutely loved them. I'm glad they are more easily available in the USA now. (Typical me behavior, I go on a trip overseas, and instead of buying more normal souvenirs, I come home with a bunch of comics!)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on May 23, 2024, 04:31:06 PM
(I wanted to add, tho, that the depictions of black people in these early Asterix books are pretty...well, racist. Hopefully they moved away from that as the series went on. These new American editions have a disclaimer that just says they are presenting it as originally drawn, but not mentioning why there's a need to even state that.)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on May 23, 2024, 04:46:59 PM
Quote from: Iason Taiwos on May 23, 2024, 04:31:06 PM(I wanted to add, tho, that the depictions of black people in these early Asterix books are pretty...well, racist. Hopefully they moved away from that as the series went on. These new American editions have a disclaimer that just says they are presenting it as originally drawn, but not mentioning why there's a need to even state that.)

Unfortunately, the broad racial caricatures remained at least until the mid-80s (and don't get me started about the Jewish caricatures in _Asterix in the land of black gold_). At least in the English translations, though, black characters eventually started talking normally rather than in what Frank Zappa would have called "comedy negrocious dialect". What can you say, it's France.

I didn't know they got a new translation, though, among professional translators the Bell/Hockridge translations are renowned for being examples of top-quality cross-cultural translations of humour; will have to check that out. But you can get weird about "accessibility for the kids". There is a French film called La Haine (1995) about kids from a deprived suburb getting up to mischief in Paris. They go to the house of a drug dealer who is a small skinny guy they call "Asterix". In the original American dub, they changed that to "Charlie Brown" because they didn't think US kids would get the reference.

(I have no idea what modern translations would do with, for example, references to The Beatles in _Asterix in Britain_, or the way that the main antagonist in _Obelix & Co_ is a caricature of Jacques Chirac.)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on May 23, 2024, 05:42:37 PM
Well, for changing "Getafix" back to "Panoramix", I assumed it was because of the drug connotations. ("This is America! We have an opioid crisis! You can't keep calling the druid 'Getafix'!")
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: GV on May 27, 2024, 09:19:57 PM
Prince Valiant.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on May 28, 2024, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: GV on May 27, 2024, 09:19:57 PMPrince Valiant.  'Nuff said.
Indeed. Hal Foster was one of greatest.
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Bråneu Excelsio on May 30, 2024, 04:07:59 PM
A few months ago, a fellow coffee shop owner gave me this as a birthday present (the right one).
It's now my most precious pannapictagraphist item.
(https://comicblessing.com/cdn/shop/products/bc03e28a68c07e930abd775b1629a518_large.jpg?v=1641248079)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Iason Taiwos on May 30, 2024, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on Yesterday at 04:07:59 PMA few months ago, a fellow coffee shop owner gave me this as a birthday present (the right one).
It's now my most precious pannapictagraphist item.
(https://comicblessing.com/cdn/shop/products/bc03e28a68c07e930abd775b1629a518_large.jpg?v=1641248079)
I've seen some of these before! And almost bought one. (The comics store Vitxalmour Conductour and I frequent (New Dinension Comics, in Ellwood City, Pennsylvania) every so often has a "secret warehouse sale" at another location. Usually it's in an old potato chip factory. The guy who owns New Dimension buys all the stock from other comics stores that apparently have shut down, and holds these sales where every book is only a dollar. When we go there, I assemble two different stacks: "must purchase", and "maybe purchase". I've found some genuine treasures at these sales, but at check out time a lot of the maybe purchase books are left behind. Too Much Coffee Man was one of the ones left behind. (And I still spent $164 at the last sale.) (For all I know, Vitx may have bought it.)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on May 31, 2024, 12:35:10 AM
Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on Yesterday at 04:07:59 PMA few months ago, a fellow coffee shop owner gave me this as a birthday present (the right one).
It's now my most precious pannapictagraphist item.
(https://comicblessing.com/cdn/shop/products/bc03e28a68c07e930abd775b1629a518_large.jpg?v=1641248079)

You may be interested to know that at one point, in a TN issue long past (and never completed), I had a cartoon drafted in which you were depicted with an IV drip of coffee. (Also since you didn't have arms yet you were the city flag of Monterrey, but that's thankfully no longer the case.)
Title: Re: Talossan Pannapictagraphist Society
Post by: Bråneu Excelsio on May 31, 2024, 02:08:13 AM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on Today at 12:35:10 AM
Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on Yesterday at 04:07:59 PMA few months ago, a fellow coffee shop owner gave me this as a birthday present (the right one).
It's now my most precious pannapictagraphist item.
(https://comicblessing.com/cdn/shop/products/bc03e28a68c07e930abd775b1629a518_large.jpg?v=1641248079)

You may be interested to know that at one point, in a TN issue long past (and never completed), I had a cartoon drafted in which you were depicted with an IV drip of coffee. (Also since you didn't have arms yet you were the city flag of Monterrey, but that's thankfully no longer the case.)
Hahaha sounds amazing !!
Im really happy with the idea that it was a thought and a draft (: thank you