Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 05:00:41 PMThe immigration rate during the Plätschisch government was 0.44 immigrants per month.  This increased to 1.14 during the 58th Cosa -- dramatically higher -- and then again increased to 1.38 during the 59th Cosa.  Since then, it has dropped by 50% again, down to 0.69 a month.

Now the causes are complex, and it's not as simple as throwing the immigration switch from one Government to another.  There might be all kinds of trends to cause this.  I have tried hard to avoid saying that the Government has caused this dramatic drop, and instead I have emphasized that it's a failure to meet the moment and address the crisis.  So there's no magic switch to fix this.  But it is simply mistaken to say that "not one government has been able to in real terms increase immigration in a positive way for Talossa."  The numbers are public.  There are things that can be done, and things we should stop doing.

Ok so let me ask you, of those numbers, how many actually become citizens? And if so how long do they stay engaged for if the do become citizen? You are just using numbers to hide the issue, and this is why I said "real terms" as, those numbers you quoted, point to the larger issue of not having something to draw people in, which means the root of the issue goes deeper than the numbers you quoted, and hide behind.

And yes I say hide behind as you used that an  excuse to avoid answering the core of my argument on the first place. Which is shady politics, and is far from helpful in this situation that you yourself have called a crisis.

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on Today at 11:20:19 AM

• I agree that reviving the Talossa Assistant program is something we should try to do. I think the trick is getting people to stick with it (assistants I mean, not prospectives) but I'm sure we can come up with something.
• I also think that the Prime Minister's Patriotic Award (I believe this is what His Majesty was referring to in his fourth point) is worth reviving.
• The New Citizen's Guide could likely use a refresh.
• I think we inadvertently hide a lot of our "fun" topics in the Chat Room board, because the "main" Wittenberg board is seen as being more for formal business (election announcements, that sort of thing). Since prospectives cannot see the Chat Room, they miss out on a lot of the events we have going on. I think we do a disservice to both ourselves and prospectives by hiding them.
  
  • We could consider simply moving our "fun" threads (TCAT, CRT, TMT20, etc.) to the main Witt board and encourage people who make new fun events in the future to put them on the main board as well.
  • There's also been talk of reorganizing the boards, which I think is something we could be doing at the same time.

I agree with all of this, except to note that the boards have already been significantly reorganized.

Quote from: Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă on Today at 11:06:06 AMChange the process if immigration by allowing immigrants time to adapt to our society and customs before being required to explain why they are requesting citizenship. I can guarantee we have lost prospective citizens because the application process is intimidating. Most will have no experience in how Talossa is governed and might take time to understand before requesting immigration status.

Additionally we need to understand the scope of immigration. What is the hope and focus we are trying to achieve? Do we need a specific number of immigrants to feel validated? Or is the purpose to expand at any cost?

I also agree with 100% of this, and I reiterate that the Government should be doing a top-to-bottom review of the immigration process.

The only take I disagree with here, I'm sorry to add, is His Majesty's take that public debates should be removed from the Ziu.  They are a feature for prospective immigrants, since they are a consistent sign of a lively and interesting political culture.  A silent governmental apparatus just makes us look very quiet.

Other ideas I have been proposing:

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 24, 2025, 08:03:43 PMMaybe we focus on our strengths with heraldry, and appeal to the online heraldic community?  Maybe we incentivize recruiting with awards, and publicize those awards with recorded video speeches?  Maybe we explore reaching out to former Old Growthers to invite them back?  Maybe we offer prizes for Talossan language writing, and then advertise those prizes on conlang forums?

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 28, 2025, 06:12:52 PMThe immigration form has something like thirty steps, including boxes to be expanded and questions and checkboxes and an essay -- have we looked at this and seen if it can be improved?  Have we looked at our websites and seen if they can be made more welcoming?  What exactly has even been attempted?

The immigration rate during the Plätschisch government was 0.44 immigrants per month.  This increased to 1.14 during the 58th Cosa -- dramatically higher -- and then again increased to 1.38 during the 59th Cosa.  Since then, it has dropped by 50% again, down to 0.69 a month.

Now the causes are complex, and it's not as simple as throwing the immigration switch from one Government to another.  There might be all kinds of trends to cause this.  I have tried hard to avoid saying that the Government has caused this dramatic drop, and instead I have emphasized that it's a failure to meet the moment and address the crisis.  So there's no magic switch to fix this.  But it is simply mistaken to say that "not one government has been able to in real terms increase immigration in a positive way for Talossa."  The numbers are public.  There are things that can be done, and things we should stop doing.

Quote from: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on Today at 04:28:45 PMI think this is a dangerous mindset to have in the talks within the commission, as it fails to take into account a big question. That I believe the commission should talk about as part of its remit.

With Talossa as it is now, with all the political infighting with the old guard, a stale air in our politics and failings of successive governments, by not just this one but the last few years across all political parties, not one government has been able to in real terms increase immigration in a positive way for Talossa.

So the question we must ask ourselves, is what is the draw to become a Talossan? Why would people want to join outright nation, And why would they stick around even if they submit an application or even be granted citizenship, as most of those who have in recent years have become inactive or renounced.

So I would ask, before we talk about the immigration issue, we need to have a deeper think and self reflection of what is the appeal, and how do we increase the appeal to draw people in to want to become a Talossan? As if there was an appeal, we wouldn't be struggling so much with numbers.

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I completely concur. Most people have enough drama in their lives already and don't see a reason to join a group that appears to make squabbling a fine art. Why get involved if any new ideas or motivations are challenged as being "anti" Talossan? To many this might seem to be a minor or nonexistent issue but I guarantee it isn't. I've discussed my reluctance in requesting immigration status because of seemingly over complicated procedure. Procedure's that seem gratuitous and serving little purpose. Why do people immigrate only to disappear weeks or months later? That is far more central of an issue than received or rejected applications. 100 people can immigrate tomorrow but if 99 never participate or disappear then what has been gained? There needs to be a reason, a motivation, to join. To be brutally honest there are very few. That's something this commission needs to address first before looking at procedure.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 03, 2025, 11:43:32 AMI have accepted His Majesty's invitation to join this group, and I am honoured to serve my country. 

I have been a harsh critic of the failures of this Government, which has presided over a sharp drop in the immigration rate, but it would be unpatriotic to only sit back and criticize.  This is a great opportunity to help step in and fix things a bit, and I applaud His Majesty for recognizing the needs of the moment.  People from across the political spectrum must realize the extent of this crisis, and rise to meet the challenge.

Let's change the direction of things, and get Talossa humming again.  ¡Sà viva noastra Regeu!

I think this is a dangerous mindset to have in the talks within the commission, as it fails to take into account a big question. That I believe the commission should talk about as part of its remit.

With Talossa as it is now, with all the political infighting with the old guard, a stale air in our politics and failings of successive governments, by not just this one but the last few years across all political parties, not one government has been able to in real terms increase immigration in a positive way for Talossa.

So the question we must ask ourselves, is what is the draw to become a Talossan? Why would people want to join outright nation, And why would they stick around even if they submit an application or even be granted citizenship, as most of those who have in recent years have become inactive or renounced.

So I would ask, before we talk about the immigration issue, we need to have a deeper think and self reflection of what is the appeal, and how do we increase the appeal to draw people in to want to become a Talossan? As if there was an appeal, we wouldn't be struggling so much with numbers.

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My apologies! I will edit my post.

-Txec R

Quote from: Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă on Today at 10:56:05 AMI have no problem receiving constructuve criticism. However I haven't yet received any. All I've seen is attacks on my character and accusations that are false. I'm happy to engage in dialogue when it is warranted. Once again I invite you to offer direct areas of law that you feel need review and request that this forum not be used to grandstand on a position that has no basis in reality. Thank you for your continued interogatory.

Pol, I am sorry that is the way you feel but it does appear based on your reactions that you do indeed struggle with constructive criticism

I do think you've been given constructive criticism to "participate more in the CRL" and to "address some of the goals you mentioned" during reply to a terpelaziun. Neither of these were attacks on character or false accusations.

I have asked you respectfully to show me where there are inaccuracies or falsehoods in the Green Party's evaluations and you have yet to do so beyond vague posturing. I have promised to withdraw any inaccuracies or falsehoods. One of us is grandstanding and I suggest it is the one who fails to provide any grounding to their assertions and struggles with presenting affirmative responses demonstrative of understanding when constructive criticism was warranted and in need of heeding, such as right now.

I also mentioned in my reply during the last terpelaziun that I was disappointed and concerned with your request that I offer direct areas of law when you mentioned that goal months ago and had not yourself provided any evidence of work on the matter. I can see how you think this is a request for cooperation but in light of no evidence being offered that you've done any investigation on "direct areas of law" yourself it looks more like you are asking someone to do your work for you.

I respectfully decline that invitation. You are the Avocat-Xheneral. You accepted that appointment and all of its responsibilities and I invite you to a better job in the coming months.

Quote from: King Txec on Today at 07:36:10 AMFor public reference, the members of the commission are:

King Txec (Chair)
Sir X. Pol Briga
Baron Alexandreu Davinescu
Mieusegnhor Dr. Pôl dal Nordselvă

-Txec R

Ouch, Your Majesty. :c

On a more serious note:

• I agree that reviving the Talossa Assistant program is something we should try to do. I think the trick is getting people to stick with it (assistants I mean, not prospectives) but I'm sure we can come up with something.
• I also think that the Prime Minister's Patriotic Award (I believe this is what His Majesty was referring to in his fourth point) is worth reviving.
• The New Citizen's Guide could likely use a refresh.
• I think we inadvertently hide a lot of our "fun" topics in the Chat Room board, because the "main" Wittenberg board is seen as being more for formal business (election announcements, that sort of thing). Since prospectives cannot see the Chat Room, they miss out on a lot of the events we have going on. I think we do a disservice to both ourselves and prospectives by hiding them.
  
  • We could consider simply moving our "fun" threads (TCAT, CRT, TMT20, etc.) to the main Witt board and encourage people who make new fun events in the future to put them on the main board as well.
  • There's also been talk of reorganizing the boards, which I think is something we could be doing at the same time.

Change the process if immigration by allowing immigrants time to adapt to our society and customs before being required to explain why they are requesting citizenship. I can guarantee we have lost prospective citizens because the application process is intimidating. Most will have no experience in how Talossa is governed and might take time to understand before requesting immigration status.

Additionally we need to understand the scope of immigration. What is the hope and focus we are trying to achieve? Do we need a specific number of immigrants to feel validated? Or is the purpose to expand at any cost?