9 to 5 Amendment
Whereas Cézembre is an integral part of the Kingdom of Talossa and citizens of Cézembre are full citizens with equal rights to those of the other provinces, and
Whereas election night is considered one of the main social events for Talossans, with activity and participation often spiking and the reveal of the election results often being combined with other cultural activities, and
Whereas the election deadline is set at 19:30 Talossan Standard Time, and
Whereas 19:30 TST is 02:30 am in Cézembre, and
Whereas many Cézembreans and citizens of other provinces living in Europe work 9 to 5, what a way to make a living, and
Whereas this schedule does not allow Cézembreans to stay up past 2:30 am on weekdays, and
Whereas bringing the deadline forward 2,5 hours would allow more citizens to experience this magical feast of democracy, and
Whereas this would set the election at 17:00 TST, which is the end of business hours and not at all unreasonable for those living in the GTA or elsewhere in the western hemisphere, and
Whereas El Lexhatx refers to some non-existent tradition of keeping the polls open until midnight, now
Therefore Article V, Section 2 of the Organic Law, which currently reads
QuoteAll elections to the Cosa are to be conducted during a period beginning from the fifteenth day of the calendar month following the dissolution of the prior Cosa until 11:59 p.m. on the fourteenth day of the subsequent month. All ballots must be cast by 7:30 p.m. on the first day of the subsequent month. The first day of this period is called "Balloting Day", the first day of the subsequent month is called the "Election Deadline", and the final day of the period is called the "Certification Deadline."
is amended to read as follows:
QuoteAll elections to the Cosa are to be conducted during a period beginning from the fifteenth day of the calendar month following the dissolution of the prior Cosa until 11:59 p.m. on the fourteenth day of the subsequent month. All ballots must be cast by 5 p.m. on the first day of the subsequent month. The first day of this period is called "Balloting Day", the first day of the subsequent month is called the "Election Deadline", and the final day of the period is called the "Certification Deadline."
Furthermore, provided the amendment to the OrgLaw contained in this bill is a approved and ratified, Lex B.10., which currently reads
QuoteNotwithstanding the purely traditional practice of "keeping the polls open" till midnight of the last day of an election (or of a month, for Clark purposes), the Secretary of State is hereby instructed to keep a sort-of conventional "business day" where the deadline for any official business (ballots, Clarks, etc.) is set at 7:30 p.m. of the day in question.
shall be amended to read
QuoteThe Secretary of State is hereby instructed to keep a sort-of conventional "business day" where the deadline for Clarks is set at 7:30 p.m. of the day in question.
Uréu q'estadra så
Glüc da Dhi (Sen, Cézembre)
I eagerly await the feedback of my fellow members of the Ziu.
I totally agree with the purpose of this change.
I admit I am a bit lost in the timeline, shall I understand that, supposing dissolution happens 20/M for instance :
- start of voting period is 15/M+1 (called "balloting day")
- election deadline is 1/M+2, votes to be expressed before 5 pm on that day
- certification deadline is 14/M+2
And why would we keep 7.30p m as the end of business day, and not 5 pm as above ?
Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on March 03, 2024, 05:26:15 AMI totally agree with the purpose of this change.
I admit I am a bit lost in the timeline, shall I understand that, supposing dissolution happens 20/M for instance :
- start of voting period is 15/M+1 (called "balloting day")
- election deadline is 1/M+2, votes to be expressed before 5 pm on that day
- certification deadline is 14/M+2
I think that's correct. Either way the only thing that changes is the 5 pm bit.
QuoteAnd why would we keep 7.30p m as the end of business day, and not 5 pm as above ?
Well, my thought was not to change it since the same reason doesn't really apply. Nobody stays up to watch the clark results reveal anyway.
But perhaps if it creates confusion to have the election and clark end at different times we should change that as well. I don't have a strong opinion on that either way.
Ok I understand. I agree with your proposal
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I'd like to move it move it to committee please.
@Sir Lüc
Moved as requested.
Approved.
Approved
I do intend to clark this next round. Any thoughts from the commission on the merits of the bill? Also, I'm interested whether there are any further thoughts on leaving business days for clarks at 19:30 or moving to 17:00 along with the elections?
If there are no further comments perhaps this could be moved back to the hopper now that it has passed the CRL so anyone is welcome to comment again before this goes to a vote.
This seems properly formatted, and it looks to have the effect it proposes. Seems fine to me.
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on April 13, 2024, 05:03:32 AMI do intend to clark this next round. Any thoughts from the commission on the merits of the bill?
Also, I'm interested whether there are any further thoughts on leaving business days for clarks at 19:30 or moving to 17:00 along with the elections?
Speaking as an MC and regarding the bill's merits, I'm personally in favour and plan to vote accordingly. I'm personally ambivalent on the business hour bit, but I guess it's less important anyway.
QuoteIf there are no further comments perhaps this could be moved back to the hopper now that it has passed the CRL so anyone is welcome to comment again before this goes to a vote.
This is a bit of an issue as I'd love to encourage further debate, but I don't know if that's possible under the rules we currently operate under. I suppose we could stipulate that if any amendments are made, the bill must go through the CRL again. I'd love to hear what the A-X and Mençei think.
Quote from: Sir Lüc on April 13, 2024, 01:31:38 PMThis is a bit of an issue as I'd love to encourage further debate, but I don't know if that's possible under the rules we currently operate under. I suppose we could stipulate that if any amendments are made, the bill must go through the CRL again. I'd love to hear what the A-X and Mençei think.
Legally, it is made explicit that the bill may be amended after CRL approval, and it doesn't have to go through the CRL again. It would only need to go through again if it is "so substantially different from its form as a legislative proposal when "passed to committee" that it constitutes a significantly different proposal" (Lexh.H.2.1.7.4).
You are certainly welcome to send it through the CRL again if you want another set of eyes on it after you change it up.
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on March 02, 2024, 02:03:49 PM9 to 5 Amendment
Whereas Cézembre is an integral part of the Kingdom of Talossa and citizens of Cézembre are full citizens with equal rights to those of the other provinces, and
Whereas election night is considered one of the main social events for Talossans, with activity and participation often spiking and the reveal of the election results often being combined with other cultural activities, and
Whereas the election deadline is set at 19:30 Talossan Standard Time, and
Whereas 19:30 TST is 02:30 am in Cézembre, and
Whereas many Cézembreans and citizens of other provinces living in Europe work 9 to 5, what a way to make a living, and
Whereas this schedule does not allow Cézembreans to stay up past 2:30 am on weekdays, and
Whereas bringing the deadline forward 2,5 hours would allow more citizens to experience this magical feast of democracy, and
Whereas this would set the election at 17:00 TST, which is the end of business hours and not at all unreasonable for those living in the GTA or elsewhere in the western hemisphere, and
Whereas El Lexhatx refers to some non-existent tradition of keeping the polls open until midnight, now
Therefore Article V, Section 2 of the Organic Law, which currently reads
QuoteAll elections to the Cosa are to be conducted during a period beginning from the fifteenth day of the calendar month following the dissolution of the prior Cosa until 11:59 p.m. on the fourteenth day of the subsequent month. All ballots must be cast by 7:30 p.m. on the first day of the subsequent month. The first day of this period is called "Balloting Day", the first day of the subsequent month is called the "Election Deadline", and the final day of the period is called the "Certification Deadline."
is amended to read as follows:
QuoteAll elections to the Cosa are to be conducted during a period beginning from the fifteenth day of the calendar month following the dissolution of the prior Cosa until 11:59 p.m. on the fourteenth day of the subsequent month. All ballots must be cast by 5 p.m. on the first day of the subsequent month. The first day of this period is called "Balloting Day", the first day of the subsequent month is called the "Election Deadline", and the final day of the period is called the "Certification Deadline."
Furthermore, provided the amendment to the OrgLaw contained in this bill is a approved and ratified, Lex B.10., which currently reads
QuoteNotwithstanding the purely traditional practice of "keeping the polls open" till midnight of the last day of an election (or of a month, for Clark purposes), the Secretary of State is hereby instructed to keep a sort-of conventional "business day" where the deadline for any official business (ballots, Clarks, etc.) is set at 7:30 p.m. of the day in question.
shall be amended to read
QuoteThe Secretary of State is hereby instructed to keep a sort-of conventional "business day" where the deadline for Clarks is set at 7:30 p.m. of the day in question.
Uréu q'estadra så
Glüc da Dhi (Sen, Cézembre)
Who are you
@Felipe Esteves - and why do you post the above ? you do not seem to have been through the immigration process ...
Quote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 16, 2024, 05:00:42 AMWho are you @Felipe Esteves - and why do you post the above ? you do not seem to have been through the immigration process ...
I don't recognize this user and he is not a citizen. I have implemented a posting ban until we figure out who this is.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on July 16, 2024, 10:07:58 AMQuote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 16, 2024, 05:00:42 AMWho are you @Felipe Esteves - and why do you post the above ? you do not seem to have been through the immigration process ...
I don't recognize this user and he is not a citizen. I have implemented a posting ban until we figure out who this is.
We need to be changing the Witt status of new applicants to
Prospective Citizen.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 16, 2024, 10:35:25 AMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on July 16, 2024, 10:07:58 AMQuote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 16, 2024, 05:00:42 AMWho are you @Felipe Esteves - and why do you post the above ? you do not seem to have been through the immigration process ...
I don't recognize this user and he is not a citizen. I have implemented a posting ban until we figure out who this is.
We need to be changing the Witt status of new applicants to Prospective Citizen.
It's likely not all board permissions have been set yet. I'm working on that now.
EDIT: The new ImmMin is doing things correctly. Everyone who has been introduced in the Immigration Forum is marked correctly. This one user has no introduction thread so is an outlier.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on July 16, 2024, 10:46:24 AMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 16, 2024, 10:35:25 AMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on July 16, 2024, 10:07:58 AMQuote from: þerxh Sant-Enogat on July 16, 2024, 05:00:42 AMWho are you @Felipe Esteves - and why do you post the above ? you do not seem to have been through the immigration process ...
I don't recognize this user and he is not a citizen. I have implemented a posting ban until we figure out who this is.
We need to be changing the Witt status of new applicants to Prospective Citizen.
It's likely not all board permissions have been set yet. I'm working on that now.
EDIT: The new ImmMin is doing things correctly. Everyone who has been introduced in the Immigration Forum is marked correctly. This one user has no introduction thread so is an outlier.
Thanks for checking, Felipe needs to be marked too. He probably just fell through the cracks with the recent deluge.
This is extremely bizarre. Felipe Esteves has indeed submitted a citizenship application, but Immigration had not activated his account. How was he able to post?!?
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on July 16, 2024, 03:48:35 PMThis is extremely bizarre. Felipe Esteves has indeed submitted a citizenship application, but Immigration had not activated his account. How was he able to post?!?
I'm wondering about it also. I don't see any setting that would allow a non-activated account to post. In any event, I've lifted the temporary posting ban as we now know who this is at least.