Since it appears the TNC is dying and I have neither the knowledge or time to form a new party, nor do I really wish to join another party with people I don't necessarily agree with I fear the time is coming for me to withdraw from politics and possibly from the nation. This will take some serious thought on my part. Do I stay as a citizen simply for the games or should I simply leave since I really don't understand how the country works? I am in a province with such a low population that I keep getting elected to higher offices because there is no one else to do the job (and I don't know how to do them) hell I'm even a senator and all I know about that is how to vote each clark. Perhaps I should step away completely as there are certainly smarter people here than I.
I can't really tell you what to do, but personally I really hope that if you do decide to withdraw from politics, you don't withdraw from the nation as a whole. You are highly valued as a member of the community, regardless of your politics.
Quote from: Glüc da Dhi S.H. on June 08, 2024, 02:13:01 PMI can't really tell you what to do, but personally I really hope that if you do decide to withdraw from politics, you don't withdraw from the nation as a whole. You are highly valued as a member of the community, regardless of your politics.
I echo the honorable Gluc's word.
I understand your concerns and appreciate your honesty. Like Glüc, I can't tell you what to do but can offer some advice.
If you decide to stay active in Talossan politics, consider taking a short break first. Sometimes stepping back for a bit can provide the clarity and perspective you need. During this time, you might find it helpful to reach out to more 'experienced' Talossans for guidance. Many citizens are willing to share their knowledge and can offer valuable advice on how to navigate your roles effectively.
If you decide to step away from active politics, it's important to recognise and acknowledge the contributions you've already made. Your efforts have made a difference, even if it doesn't always feel that way. Stepping back doesn't mean you're giving up; it means you're taking care of yourself, which is crucial.
You can still remain a part of the Talossan community in a less demanding non-political role. Staying connected with the community allows you to continue enjoying the social and cultural aspects of Talossa without the pressure of political responsibilities. Your insights and experiences remain valuable, and you can contribute in other meaningful ways.
Ultimately, prioritising your well-being and happiness is essential. If staying active in Talossan politics is causing you stress and not bringing you joy, it might be best to step back. Your mental health and personal satisfaction should come first.
Whatever path you choose, know that your contributions to Talossa are deeply valued. Your fellow citizens appreciate your dedication and will support you in whatever decision you make. Take the time you need to figure out what's best for you, and remember that your well-being is paramount.
Are you ashamed of being a Talossan?
If not, you should stay a Talossan.
That's what I thought to myself when I asked to come back last april.
Talossa gets weird during election time, I think it's a bad choice to leave during those times, or ever really.
I've always thought you're a down to earth great guy. It'd be a shame if you leave us.
Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 02:53:50 PMAre you ashamed of being a Talossan?
If not, you should stay a Talossan.
That's what I thought to myself when I asked to come back last april.
Talossa gets weird during election time, I think it's a bad choice to leave during those times, or ever really.
I've always thought you're a down to earth great guy. It'd be a shame if you leave us.
I didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:25:19 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
I mean the political situation at times. I did not realise that I would also witness it in Talossa.
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PMQuote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:25:19 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
I mean the political situation at times. I did not realise that I would also witness it in Talossa.
I was surprised by it too. I think that the lack of activity by the King is in part responsable for it because there's not one unifying figure to direct the Kingdom, so it became a political arena. But who knows, we're always on the verge of great things happening, we just have to make them happen.
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PMQuote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:25:19 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
I mean the political situation at times. I did not realise that I would also witness it in Talossa.
Barclamiu, what is it that you've witnessed you would describe as "shitfuckery"? I've seen the term a few times but no examples.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 08, 2024, 03:35:32 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PMQuote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:25:19 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
I mean the political situation at times. I did not realise that I would also witness it in Talossa.
Barclamiu, what is it that you've witnessed you would describe as "shitfuckery"? I've seen the term a few times but no examples.
I love using words and actually not knowing what they mean.
I'm just kidding. Well I don't know how to explain it myself, so I recommend you to watch thejuicemedia (https://www.youtube.com/@thejuicemedia) on YouTube.
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:37:22 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 08, 2024, 03:35:32 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PMQuote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:25:19 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
I mean the political situation at times. I did not realise that I would also witness it in Talossa.
Barclamiu, what is it that you've witnessed you would describe as "shitfuckery"? I've seen the term a few times but no examples.
I love using words and actually not knowing what they mean.
I'm just kidding. Well I don't know how to explain it myself, so I recommend you to watch thejuicemedia (https://www.youtube.com/@thejuicemedia) on YouTube.
Ok, I just watched the Honest Government Ad on thejuicemedia and understand. :) Now I am looking forward to your video content if it is similar to that ad especially.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 08, 2024, 03:47:18 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:37:22 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 08, 2024, 03:35:32 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:30:49 PMQuote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:25:19 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on June 08, 2024, 03:12:58 PMI didn't realise that shitfuckery also exists in micronations.
What do you mean by that?
Everyone got here for different reasons, I like making and participating in communities for example.
I mean the political situation at times. I did not realise that I would also witness it in Talossa.
Barclamiu, what is it that you've witnessed you would describe as "shitfuckery"? I've seen the term a few times but no examples.
I love using words and actually not knowing what they mean.
I'm just kidding. Well I don't know how to explain it myself, so I recommend you to watch thejuicemedia (https://www.youtube.com/@thejuicemedia) on YouTube.
Ok, I just watched the Honest Government Ad on thejuicemedia and understand. :) Now I am looking forward to your video content if it is similar to that ad especially.
I just need to gather a lot of material and stuff.
Quote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:32:47 PMI think that the lack of activity by the King is in part responsable for it
I hate to tell you what kind of political shitfuckery is caused by an active King. John couldn't be compared on his worst days to King Robert I, an actual bully, cult leader and tyrant, but he had his moments (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law_talk:47RZ28_The_OrgLaw_AMENDMENT_(Provincial_Government)_BILL_1_of_2015) (eg. claiming an absolute right to veto all OrgLaw amendments, which we had to fight him in Cort over).
Political shitfuckery is caused by there being incentives to politically shitfuck, and would sadly happen in a Republic.
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 08, 2024, 01:47:37 PMDo I stay as a citizen simply for the games or should I simply leave since I really don't understand how the country works?
Part of my goal in Talossa has
always been to make more space for non-political activity. When I first encountered Talossa, voting was public - i.e. everyone knew how you voted, so everyone had to take political sides, which led to gang warfare and bullying. I led the charge in bringing in the secret ballot. The FreeDems have also been working for ages on having a non-political Civil Service where you can do work for the Kingdom again without joining a party or taking a side. This is the opposite to the people who think that elections are about picking the best workers, and so you have to join their party to get a job.
I suppose, Tric'hard, I would ask you - why did you join the TNC in the first place? If you can find those motivations again, you will know what you should be doing from here on in.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on June 08, 2024, 04:38:37 PMQuote from: Bråneu Excelsio on June 08, 2024, 03:32:47 PMI think that the lack of activity by the King is in part responsable for it
I hate to tell you what kind of political shitfuckery is caused by an active King. John couldn't be compared on his worst days to King Robert I, an actual bully, cult leader and tyrant, but he had his moments (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law_talk:47RZ28_The_OrgLaw_AMENDMENT_(Provincial_Government)_BILL_1_of_2015) (eg. claiming an absolute right to veto all OrgLaw amendments, which we had to fight him in Cort over).
Political shitfuckery is caused by there being incentives to politically shitfuck, and would sadly happen in a Republic.
Awesome! (sarcasm)
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on June 08, 2024, 04:42:46 PMQuote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 08, 2024, 01:47:37 PMDo I stay as a citizen simply for the games or should I simply leave since I really don't understand how the country works?
Part of my goal in Talossa has always been to make more space for non-political activity. When I first encountered Talossa, voting was public - i.e. everyone knew how you voted, so everyone had to take political sides, which led to gang warfare and bullying. I led the charge in bringing in the secret ballot. The FreeDems have also been working for ages on having a non-political Civil Service where you can do work for the Kingdom again without joining a party or taking a side. This is the opposite to the people who think that elections are about picking the best workers, and so you have to join their party to get a job.
I suppose, Tric'hard, I would ask you - why did you join the TNC in the first place? If you can find those motivations again, you will know what you should be doing from here on in.
I joined the TNC because I support the idea of a kingdom with some oversight from an elected body. I also chose the TNC because I was given the ability to vote my mind on most issues rather than having to tow the line (or is it "toe the line" hell I don't know)
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 08, 2024, 06:26:47 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on June 08, 2024, 04:42:46 PMQuote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 08, 2024, 01:47:37 PMDo I stay as a citizen simply for the games or should I simply leave since I really don't understand how the country works?
Part of my goal in Talossa has always been to make more space for non-political activity. When I first encountered Talossa, voting was public - i.e. everyone knew how you voted, so everyone had to take political sides, which led to gang warfare and bullying. I led the charge in bringing in the secret ballot. The FreeDems have also been working for ages on having a non-political Civil Service where you can do work for the Kingdom again without joining a party or taking a side. This is the opposite to the people who think that elections are about picking the best workers, and so you have to join their party to get a job.
I suppose, Tric'hard, I would ask you - why did you join the TNC in the first place? If you can find those motivations again, you will know what you should be doing from here on in.
I joined the TNC because I support the idea of a kingdom with some oversight from an elected body. I also chose the TNC because I was given the ability to vote my mind on most issues rather than having to tow the line (or is it "toe the line" hell I don't know)
I hope you decide to stay, even if at a distance, involved politically. Your voice of moderation has been contributed at pivotal moments in recent events.
Also, this is not a personally political beneficial observation but I must note on the two reasons you mention joining the TNC there is overlap with the political program of the Progressive Alliance as Therxh has indicated few if any party line votes and some form of moderate monarchism.
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 08, 2024, 01:47:37 PMSince it appears the TNC is dying and I have neither the knowledge or time to form a new party, nor do I really wish to join another party with people I don't necessarily agree with I fear the time is coming for me to withdraw from politics and possibly from the nation. This will take some serious thought on my part. Do I stay as a citizen simply for the games or should I simply leave since I really don't understand how the country works? I am in a province with such a low population that I keep getting elected to higher offices because there is no one else to do the job (and I don't know how to do them) hell I'm even a senator and all I know about that is how to vote each clark. Perhaps I should step away completely as there are certainly smarter people here than I.
I've been a Talossan for what, 13 years now? During that time I've served as Senator for Benito, I think I've been Maestro a couple of times. All I really know how to do is vote on each Clark. The government side of Talossa interests me the least. And sometimes, that seems like all that's going on. But I've stuck with it. Sometimes there isn't anyone else to do the job. But I'll never renounce my citizenship. The only way I'm leaving Talossa is in a body bag. Don't step away completely. Talossa is what you make of it. Hate the political stuff? Do something else. Talossa has inspired Vitxalmour Conductour and I to create our own Talossan based subculture, which has brought us much joy. Talossa has spurred our creativity, and has come to greatly enrich our personal lives. Never once in my 13 years here have I thought of renouncing my citizenship. Even on the occasions when I've made embarrassing statements on Witt. (I just lie low until I think everyone has forgotten them.)
Normally I enjoy politics but honestly having trouble figuring out how Talossa's government works. Don't really understand the constitution, and Vuode's political landscape is so bad that as a brand new citizen I was named Premier (which I still don't know what I was supposed to do LOL). I'm very confused now because there are so many parties. The only thing I am sure of is that I am pro-monarchy with oversight by an elected Cosa. I'm not creative enough to really get involved in things like your Cjovani (spelling?) culture. I basically participate in the Music challenge and the fantasy cycling game.
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 11, 2024, 07:57:38 PMI basically participate in the Music challenge
That's a reason to stay on its own :))
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 11, 2024, 07:57:38 PMhonestly having trouble figuring out how Talossa's government works.
The party with a majority in the Cosa runs things.
If no party has a majority, you add parties together to get to a majority (a "coalition").
With me so far?
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on June 11, 2024, 09:47:45 PMQuote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 11, 2024, 07:57:38 PMhonestly having trouble figuring out how Talossa's government works.
The party with a majority in the Cosa runs things.
If no party has a majority, you add parties together to get to a majority (a "coalition").
With me so far?
I meant the intricacies of the government. I have no clue how to word a bill, every bill I have submitted were more or less suggestions that one of two people basically wrote for me. I have come to accept that the monarchy is likely going away after this election because the monarchists have split into multiple parties which will leave the FreeDems in power and spell the end of the monarchy. At which point this nation will become just like every democratically elected macro nation in the world and we will have to elect a president of some sort and it will get boring.
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 11, 2024, 10:33:45 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on June 11, 2024, 09:47:45 PMQuote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 11, 2024, 07:57:38 PMhonestly having trouble figuring out how Talossa's government works.
The party with a majority in the Cosa runs things.
If no party has a majority, you add parties together to get to a majority (a "coalition").
With me so far?
I meant the intricacies of the government. I have no clue how to word a bill, every bill I have submitted were more or less suggestions that one of two people basically wrote for me. I have come to accept that the monarchy is likely going away after this election because the monarchists have split into multiple parties which will leave the FreeDems in power and spell the end of the monarchy. At which point this nation will become just like every democratically elected macro nation in the world and we will have to elect a president of some sort and it will get boring.
The Free Democrats are not trying to end the Monarchy. If they were I would have left long ago.
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on June 12, 2024, 05:45:41 AMQuote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on June 11, 2024, 10:33:45 PMI have come to accept that the monarchy is likely going away after this election because the monarchists have split into multiple parties which will leave the FreeDems in power and spell the end of the monarchy. At which point this nation will become just like every democratically elected macro nation in the world and we will have to elect a president of some sort and it will get boring.
The Free Democrats are not trying to end the Monarchy. If they were I would have left long ago.
And if, even if we wanted to, we would have done so during the 5 terms we were leading the Government prior to this one. It's much harder to change our constitution than just passing a law, just like in the USA.