Unless I've missed something, we haven't had one of those since 1988. We talked about a coronation for Ián I Lupul but I don't think it ever happened.
From Old Wittenberg, I copy the following musings (from the Rajala regency) of the then-Squirrel King at Arms (https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1980/coronation-protocol-precedence):
QuoteHere are a few of the many questions the Fellows of the College should begin to consider about the upcoming coronation:
Where should the coronation be held?
What should be the date? Should a one year mourning period pass between the abdication of King Louis and the coronation of the next king?
What is the order of precedence for the procession?
Who should do the crowning? Should the King be anointed? Can we get Archbishop Dolan to help?
Should Peers and members of the Royal Family wear coronets? If so, what design should they have? Should these coronets display heraldic emblems based on rank or association to the monarch? Who else, if anyone, should wear a coronet?
Should a queen consort (if any) be crowned as part of the general coronation ceremony? If so, when? If not, when?
And finally, from Ián I himself, upon his accession (https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1419/king-addresses-nation):
QuoteFor be known and understood, as a principle of our House and of the Talossan monarchy henceforth and forever, that the crowning of a Talossan monarch should nowise be celebrated in any place wheresoever except within the sacred boundaries of the Kingdom.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 23, 2024, 06:08:37 PM@Miestră Schivă, UrN (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3) are there already plans underway for an official coronation ceremony assuming that the Ziu vote and referendum are successful?
Good to see we are answering this. I wonder if there will even be commemorative memorabilia or press coverage.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 04:16:46 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 23, 2024, 06:08:37 PMMiestră Schivă, UrN (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3) are there already plans underway for an official coronation ceremony assuming that the Ziu vote and referendum are successful?
Good to see we are answering this. I wonder if there will even be commemorative memorabilia or press coverage.
I suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.
I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 04:16:46 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 23, 2024, 06:08:37 PMMiestră Schivă, UrN (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3) are there already plans underway for an official coronation ceremony assuming that the Ziu vote and referendum are successful?
Good to see we are answering this. I wonder if there will even be commemorative memorabilia or press coverage.
I suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.
I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.
Thank you Miestra. I am incredibly excited about this transition. Genuinely excited for this moment in Talossan history.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 05:33:30 PMThank you Miestra. I am incredibly excited about this transition. Genuinely excited for this moment in Talossan history.
You're excited, but I'm quite nervous. This is quite a transition for ME as well :-)
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.
I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.
Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 06:08:56 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.
I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.
Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.
This is good to know. I hope there will be some official transmission concerning other changes based on your ascension, Txec. Do you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?
Again, let's look at precedent from last time (https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1419/king-addresses-nation):
Quote from: Ián I Lupul on accessionWe and our heirs royal shall henceforth bear "Quarterly, 1 and 4 Talossa, 2 and 3 Lupul", or more fully "Quarterly, 1 and 4 argent the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 per fess azure and vert, a wolf salient argent armed and langued gules, and in sinister chief a rose argent charged with a heart gules". Supporters: "Representing Saint Perpetua and Saint Felicity, a Roman lady hair dressed and a Berber woman hair dishevelled, both proper crined sable vested argent each bearing a palm branch vert." Motto: "Cor Unum".
We shall make use, as badge, of "A rose argent charged with a heart gules".
We request and command our right-beloved Squirrel King of Arms, in consultation and collaboration with his College, 1) to advise with us concerning the addition of a crest to our achievement, but they are not to consider a bonacon even for a moment, 2) to record these devices in the Kingdom's Armorial, 3)...]
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 08:27:23 PMDo you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?
Should it be necessary for understanding I am repeating my question for its intended recipient (Txec). :)
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 08:27:23 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 06:08:56 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.
I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.
Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.
This is good to know. I hope there will be some official transmission concerning other changes based on your ascension, Txec. Do you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?
I'm in the process of talking to people about my various offices as well as those I wish to serve on my Privy Council, among other things. I plan on formalizing things publicly more once I am confirmed
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 08:36:38 PMAgain, let's look at precedent from last time (https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1419/king-addresses-nation):
Quote from: Ián I Lupul on accessionWe and our heirs royal shall henceforth bear "Quarterly, 1 and 4 Talossa, 2 and 3 Lupul", or more fully "Quarterly, 1 and 4 argent the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 per fess azure and vert, a wolf salient argent armed and langued gules, and in sinister chief a rose argent charged with a heart gules". Supporters: "Representing Saint Perpetua and Saint Felicity, a Roman lady hair dressed and a Berber woman hair dishevelled, both proper crined sable vested argent each bearing a palm branch vert." Motto: "Cor Unum".
We shall make use, as badge, of "A rose argent charged with a heart gules".
We request and command our right-beloved Squirrel King of Arms, in consultation and collaboration with his College, 1) to advise with us concerning the addition of a crest to our achievement, but they are not to consider a bonacon even for a moment, 2) to record these devices in the Kingdom's Armorial, 3)...]
Yes, I expect my Arms will change from those of a Knight to those of a King. This is one of many details to be worked out.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 08:56:10 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on August 25, 2024, 08:27:23 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 25, 2024, 06:08:56 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 04:33:48 PMI suppose you would have to ask the College of Heralds, who have apparently been historically in charge of coronations, what they think: I'm in the dark as much as you are.
I suppose the Government *could* take over if they're indisposed.
Baron Alexander will be taking over my duties as Squirrel Viceroy of Arms upon my confirmation. He might be a good one to speak with regarding any festivities. For my part, I was only pondering the change in my heraldry. I'll leave the Coronation bit up to the people.
This is good to know. I hope there will be some official transmission concerning other changes based on your ascension, Txec. Do you know yet what changes there will be to your heraldry?
I'm in the process of talking to people about my various offices as well as those I wish to serve on my Privy Council, among other things. I plan on formalizing things publicly more once I am confirmed
Thank you very much Txec.
A question. Do the abdication and Txec's ascension to the throne happen soon after the referendum passes? Or does the official change have to wait until the coronation ceremony?
Whenever HM King John abdicates, and presuming my confirmation passes the referendum, I will become King immediately. The coronation ceremony is just the official celebration.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 26, 2024, 08:08:11 AMWhenever HM King John abdicates, and presuming my confirmation passes the referendum, I will become King immediately. The coronation ceremony is just the official celebration.
To my understanding, the accession takes place literally upon the requisite authority certifying the referendum result, presumably on Wittenberg.
Quote from: GV on September 26, 2024, 08:10:42 AMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 26, 2024, 08:08:11 AMWhenever HM King John abdicates, and presuming my confirmation passes the referendum, I will become King immediately. The coronation ceremony is just the official celebration.
To my understanding, the accession takes place literally upon the requisite authority certifying the referendum result, presumably on Wittenberg.
HM has not abdicated as of yet, so this would not be the case. Upon certification of the referendum, I would become the Heir Presumptive, and not the king.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on September 26, 2024, 08:08:11 AMWhenever HM King John abdicates, and presuming my confirmation passes the referendum, I will become King immediately. The coronation ceremony is just the official celebration.
I like this answer. <3
What are the thoughts of everyone in regard to a regnal ordinal? Most monarchies only employ an ordinal if more than one monarch has used the same name. However, it seems like a Talossan tradition that kings use an ordinal even if there is no one after them with the same name. I see John I or Ian I in use sometimes. My personal opinion is I will be simply Txec and not Txec I but if the general consensus is different, I'm good with that also.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 22, 2024, 11:16:19 AMWhat are the thoughts of everyone in regard to a regnal ordinal? Most monarchies only employ an ordinal if more than one monarch has used the same name. However, it seems like a Talossan tradition that kings use an ordinal even if there is no one after them with the same name. I see John I or Ian I in use sometimes. My personal opinion is I will be simply Txec and not Txec I but if the general consensus is different, I'm good with that also.
I like just Txec too.
Just an opinion, why not re sequence the numbers and make it the number to hold the position... that would make Ben the 1st, 3rd, 4th , robert the second, Florence the 5th, king louis the sixth, john/ian the 7th, ect. (Forgive my royal history). I think king Deridricx the 29th, the future king of talossa gives the number a nice liniange that isn't required to be biological as the position no longer is tied to. Like our Neighbours leader Joe Biden The 46th makes it sound ancient and storied.
I think I've said it somewhere but I'm really looking forward to transmitting the coronation on my channel. Could I be notified in advance of necessary preparations for the transmission?
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 22, 2024, 01:37:08 PMI think I've said it somewhere but I'm really looking forward to transmitting the coronation on my channel. Could I be notified in advance of necessary preparations for the transmission?
Once we have something firm, we'll let you know. As it stands, I have no real idea of when the actual coronation could occur. However, I'd also be happy to do an interview with you for your channel upon my accession also.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 22, 2024, 11:16:19 AMWhat are the thoughts of everyone in regard to a regnal ordinal? Most monarchies only employ an ordinal if more than one monarch has used the same name. However, it seems like a Talossan tradition that kings use an ordinal even if there is no one after them with the same name. I see John I or Ian I in use sometimes. My personal opinion is I will be simply Txec and not Txec I but if the general consensus is different, I'm good with that also.
Generally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
Quote from: Tierçéu Rôibeardescù on October 22, 2024, 12:44:47 PMJust an opinion, why not re sequence the numbers and make it the number to hold the position... that would make Ben the 1st, 3rd, 4th , robert the second, Florence the 5th, king louis the sixth, john/ian the 7th, ect. (Forgive my royal history). I think king Deridricx the 29th, the future king of talossa gives the number a nice liniange that isn't required to be biological as the position no longer is tied to. Like our Neighbours leader Joe Biden The 46th makes it sound ancient and storied.
Wouldn't a lot of people find this very confusing, for the reasons you mention? It's not a mark of a term of office, but rather a list of the people who actually held that position with the same name, to differentiate them.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
Yes, my thoughts exactly.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 22, 2024, 01:47:12 PMHowever, I'd also be happy to do an interview with you for your channel upon my accession also.
Guess I should start preparing the questions for the interview then ;) (this will be grand content for my small new channel).
Edit: Wow, this is my 600th post.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 22, 2024, 01:47:12 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 22, 2024, 01:37:08 PMI think I've said it somewhere but I'm really looking forward to transmitting the coronation on my channel. Could I be notified in advance of necessary preparations for the transmission?
Once we have something firm, we'll let you know. As it stands, I have no real idea of when the actual coronation could occur. However, I'd also be happy to do an interview with you for your channel upon my accession also.
On another thought along this line, I believe we need MORE virtual meet-ups and get togethers. We should be holding Living Cosas, and I as king will be present at as many of them as I can be. Seeing each other humanizes us.
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 22, 2024, 02:10:16 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 22, 2024, 01:47:12 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 22, 2024, 01:37:08 PMI think I've said it somewhere but I'm really looking forward to transmitting the coronation on my channel. Could I be notified in advance of necessary preparations for the transmission?
Once we have something firm, we'll let you know. As it stands, I have no real idea of when the actual coronation could occur. However, I'd also be happy to do an interview with you for your channel upon my accession also.
On another thought along this line, I believe we need MORE virtual meet-ups and get togethers. We should be holding Living Cosas, and I as king will be present at as many of them as I can be. Seeing each other humanizes us.
I am really happy to hear someone else say this. I proposed in the Reform thread that we actually require a Living Cosa each term as a part of expanding the term. It is much harder to call people names when you see their face (and their immediate reaction).
Ahem, I would also like to make a media request? Perhaps, Fora Talossa could broadcast your first Independence Day message?
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 22, 2024, 02:12:19 PMIt is much harder to call people names when you see their face (and their immediate reaction).
Intriguing statement Breneir...
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 22, 2024, 02:39:12 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 22, 2024, 02:12:19 PMIt is much harder to call people names when you see their face (and their immediate reaction).
Intriguing statement Breneir...
When the statement is put into practice the results will likely be much more intriguing Barclamiu.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 22, 2024, 02:39:50 PMWhen the statement is put into practice the results will likely be much more intriguing Barclamiu.
It definitely will be, I guess.
In the meantime, I am excited to now have two video channels for Talossa and a monarch who is open to being seen and heard.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 22, 2024, 02:12:19 PMAhem, I would also like to make a media request? Perhaps, Fora Talossa could broadcast your first Independence Day message?
Sure. I hadn't planned specifically to read it on camera, and I KNOW I will butcher the Talossan peppered throughout it, but I don't see why not.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
I don't know about that. Certainly that's traditional in larger countries; but KR1 always called himself that before there was a KR2 (Allà rest his soul).
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 22, 2024, 03:05:13 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
I don't know about that. Certainly that's traditional in larger countries; but KR1 always called himself that before there was a KR2 (Allà rest his soul).
Was Florence also called King Florence I?
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 22, 2024, 03:05:13 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
I don't know about that. Certainly that's traditional in larger countries; but KR1 always called himself that before there was a KR2 (Allà rest his soul).
That's a fair point. We haven't really done that though, and it hasn't been the predominant practice in the current era. I also think it's more dignified not to have an ordinal if you have the choice.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 22, 2024, 03:30:53 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 22, 2024, 03:05:13 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
I don't know about that. Certainly that's traditional in larger countries; but KR1 always called himself that before there was a KR2 (Allà rest his soul).
Was Florence also called King Florence I?
Frequently. Opinions and usage differed, though.
She was such a fascinating woman, and she must have been an extraordinary teacher.
I guess we could call it a royal prerogative and leave it up to me to decide :-)
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
I like more your response from here (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?msg=8971):
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 22, 2022, 04:14:42 PMQuote from: Danihel Txechescu on January 22, 2022, 03:19:14 PMI thought it was "King John" and not "King John I".
it's both, but the latter is more formal. He's the first King John! He would be the third King Robert, if that were his name, or the second King Florence.
I like that duality of in-/formality.
Yeah, makes sense.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 03:54:08 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 22, 2024, 03:30:53 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 22, 2024, 03:05:13 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 22, 2024, 01:53:07 PMGenerally speaking, I think that people only have ever used Ian I when they were not actually aware of the conventions that are typical. I think we should probably stick with the traditional use, where you would just be King Txec.
I don't know about that. Certainly that's traditional in larger countries; but KR1 always called himself that before there was a KR2 (Allà rest his soul).
Was Florence also called King Florence I?
Frequently. Opinions and usage differed, though.
She was such a fascinating woman, and she must have been an extraordinary teacher.
I saw Flo in one of Ben's Talossan videos. She was as flamboyant on video at least as she seems in print.
And yes, she was well thought of as a teacher. Ditto for Dr. Madison, btw., at least as a teacher. No two Talossans were more different in so many ways, though - lol!