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Title: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 26, 2024, 02:06:00 PM
Just wanted to open up this conversation for El Coletx based on the discussion going on here:

https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=3473.0

More specifically:
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 25, 2024, 03:53:25 PMUnless I've missed something, we haven't had one of those since 1988. We talked about a coronation for Ián I Lupul but I don't think it ever happened.

From Old Wittenberg, I copy the following musings (from the Rajala regency) of the then-Squirrel King at Arms (https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1980/coronation-protocol-precedence):

QuoteHere are a few of the many questions the Fellows of the College should begin to consider about the upcoming coronation:

    Where should the coronation be held?

    What should be the date? Should a one year mourning period pass between the abdication of King Louis and the coronation of the next king?

    What is the order of precedence for the procession?

    Who should do the crowning? Should the King be anointed? Can we get Archbishop Dolan to help?

    Should Peers and members of the Royal Family wear coronets? If so, what design should they have? Should these coronets display heraldic emblems based on rank or association to the monarch? Who else, if anyone, should wear a coronet?

    Should a queen consort (if any) be crowned as part of the general coronation ceremony? If so, when? If not, when?

And finally, from Ián I himself, upon his accession (https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1419/king-addresses-nation):

QuoteFor be known and understood, as a principle of our House and of the Talossan monarchy henceforth and forever, that the crowning of a Talossan monarch should nowise be celebrated in any place wheresoever except within the sacred boundaries of the Kingdom.



-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 02:48:07 PM
Thank you to the Fulbright Fellow.  Yes, I believe that past precedent suggests that the Coletx should have a hand in the Coroniçaziun.

Let me first lay out some principles to which we should aspire, even if they might not all be practical.

A monarch of el Regipäts should be crowned in el Regipäts.  This may not be possible right away, but it is entirely okay to delay the formal Coroniçaziun.  The king is invested with power by act of law, not through the ceremony itself.  Assuming that His Majesty's choice of successor is confirmed, we should inquire about when this might be possible.

The ceremony should be conducted in el glheþ Talossan.  While Sir Txec is familiar with el glheþ, I think he won't mind me saying that he is not fluent.  However, perhaps the oath and affirmations (eg, "éu detxeradréu" or the like) could be delivered thus.

All Talossans should be invited.  Obviously.  And it should be recorded for posterity.

No coronator exists in precedent, aside from maybe the king or their consort.  Probably not a religious figure, although I think Sir Txec's opinion should count a lot here.  The Squirrel King of Arms or Seneschal might be appropriate individuals to place the crown.

Armorial precedent should be observed.  The new king should choose the name of his house (probably with some assistance from the Coletx), an aspect of his arms should be quartered with the national arms as his new achievement (again with assistance from the Coletx), and he should choose (or retain) a personal badge for his household.

Acting as Dean, I am ruling that the Coletx will discuss these matters as a whole and openly, unless the Squirrel King rules otherwise or when private discussions on individual aspects of the above prove practical.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 26, 2024, 03:11:19 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 02:48:07 PMNo coronator exists in precedent, aside from maybe the king or their consort.  Probably not a religious figure, although I think Sir Txec's opinion should count a lot here.  The Squirrel King of Arms or Seneschal might be appropriate individuals to place the crown.

Honestly, I think it makes the most sense that the "King emeritus" should hand the crown on personally, if possible
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 03:16:53 PM
We will consult Sir Txec as to any preferences he might have, as well as look at history.

S:da Seneschal, before the Coletx discusses these matters among ourselves, are there any preferences you wish to register with us on behalf of His Majesty's Government?

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on August 26, 2024, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 02:48:07 PMThank you to the Fulbright Fellow.  Yes, I believe that past precedent suggests that the Coletx should have a hand in the Coroniçaziun.

Let me first lay out some principles to which we should aspire, even if they might not all be practical.

I will provide my initial thoughts below on the excellent discussion began by The Fulbright Fellow and The Dean.

QuoteA monarch of el Regipäts should be crowned in el Regipäts.  This may not be possible right away, but it is entirely okay to delay the formal Coroniçaziun.  The king is invested with power by act of law, not through the ceremony itself.  Assuming that His Majesty's choice of successor is confirmed, we should inquire about when this might be possible.

I have no practical idea on when this could occur. During the school year travel is not really a possibility and after the summer I had, I don't really expect much next summer. Time will tell.

QuoteThe ceremony should be conducted in el glheþ Talossan.  While Sir Txec is familiar with el glheþ, I think he won't mind me saying that he is not fluent.  However, perhaps the oath and affirmations (eg, "éu detxeradréu" or the like) could be delivered thus.

I am not at all fluent in Talossan so obviously I would need help and some parts may need to be in English.

QuoteAll Talossans should be invited.  Obviously.  And it should be recorded for posterity.

This sounds like an excellent job for the Royal Archivist.

QuoteNo coronator exists in precedent, aside from maybe the king or their consort.  Probably not a religious figure, although I think Sir Txec's opinion should count a lot here.  The Squirrel King of Arms or Seneschal might be appropriate individuals to place the crown.

If the Squirrel King is unavailable, then by all means the Seneschal can do the actual crowning.

QuoteArmorial precedent should be observed.  The new king should choose the name of his house (probably with some assistance from the Coletx), an aspect of his arms should be quartered with the national arms as his new achievement (again with assistance from the Coletx), and he should choose (or retain) a personal badge for his household.

I've given some preliminary thought as to the name of my House, but I will need some advice and help, and I would like the help of the Coletx in quartering my arms. As I already have a badge I use, I may keep that one or may design something different. I'm not entirely sure just yet.

QuoteActing as Dean, I am ruling that the Coletx will discuss these matters as a whole and openly, unless the Squirrel King rules otherwise or when private discussions on individual aspects of the above prove practical.

You have my support on this as the Squirrel Viceroy of Arms.

- SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 03:39:52 PM
The Rouge Elephant Herald is in the best position to know if a hatx to the GTA is possible for the Coroniçaziun; delaying the ceremony until summer seems feasible to me.  The end of June or July might make sense, in such a case?

What was the thinking about the REH on a name for his house?  The most obvious recent examples are Rouergue (based on historical family connections) and Lupul (based on surname) and Windsor (based on residence and cultural connections).  I'd assume that a starting point would be the simplest: El Ca Nordselvă.  Unless there's a historical connection to a known branch of nobility or a heritage residence?

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 26, 2024, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 03:16:53 PMS:da Seneschal, before the Coletx discusses these matters among ourselves, are there any preferences you wish to register with us on behalf of His Majesty's Government?

His Majesty's Government is still discussing these issues; anything that I've mentioned above is utterly on my personal initiative. But if you're interested in my personal preferences:

- it should be IRL and, if possible, in the GTA. But it doesn't have to be any time soon. This is a once-in-a-Talossan-lifetime thing and we should be pulling out stops to make it special. We might even want to put State funding towards it.

- the idea that the outgoing King (if available) crowns his/her successor is IMHO a very good precedent for the idea of continuity of monarchy. In the absence I suppose the head of the College of Arms is the second-preference coronator, with CJ-CpI being the third. I don't think the elected government should have a role in this.

- do we actually have a "crown", i.e. a facsimile of the fable Romanian train conductor's hat? That should be physically handed over, along with the Sash which symbolises the unity of Republic and Kingdom tradition.
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on August 27, 2024, 09:38:33 AM
(Pardon the intrusion.)

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 02:48:07 PM[...] Armorial precedent should be observed.  The new king should choose the name of his house [...]

I, for one, would love to have the unveiling of the House as a surprise until the last minute. That'll give the press something to talk about!
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on August 27, 2024, 09:42:57 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 03:39:52 PMThe Rouge Elephant Herald is in the best position to know if a hatx to the GTA is possible for the Coroniçaziun; delaying the ceremony until summer seems feasible to me.  The end of June or July might make sense, in such a case?

What was the thinking about the REH on a name for his house?  The most obvious recent examples are Rouergue (based on historical family connections) and Lupul (based on surname) and Windsor (based on residence and cultural connections).  I'd assume that a starting point would be the simplest: El Ca Nordselvă.  Unless there's a historical connection to a known branch of nobility or a heritage residence?

-Dean

I really have no idea when a hatx to the GTA could occur. While I would love for my coronation to occur in person, plans will need to be made at some later time for in-person. A live, via Zoom event could definitely be planned. In some ways, I favor this approach as our citizens are so spread out around the world.

As for a House name, while I do have historical connections to the Stuart line of Scottish kings (I'm a 16th great-grandson of Robert II), it is so far back in the mists of history as to be little more than an interesting footnote. Naming my House after my current family name of Nordselva might be better.

I also would like the assistance of the Coletx in designing my new Arms. They should be quartered in a similar fashion to HM King John's, but I also envision them with supporters and a crown. I've done some research and most reigning monarchs (European) tend to place the arms over an ermine cape topped by a crown. I'm not sure if this is what the Coletx would want, however, and I'm open.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on August 27, 2024, 09:43:32 AM
Quote from: Danihel Txechescu on August 27, 2024, 09:38:33 AM(Pardon the intrusion.)

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 02:48:07 PM[...] Armorial precedent should be observed.  The new king should choose the name of his house [...]

I, for one, would love to have the unveiling of the House as a surprise until the last minute. That'll give the press something to talk about!


That is certainly an option, though I imagine a change in Monarch would be a lot for the press to talk about also, along with the naming of a new Privy Council among other details. :-)
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on August 27, 2024, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on August 26, 2024, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 03:16:53 PMS:da Seneschal, before the Coletx discusses these matters among ourselves, are there any preferences you wish to register with us on behalf of His Majesty's Government?

His Majesty's Government is still discussing these issues; anything that I've mentioned above is utterly on my personal initiative. But if you're interested in my personal preferences:

- it should be IRL and, if possible, in the GTA. But it doesn't have to be any time soon. This is a once-in-a-Talossan-lifetime thing and we should be pulling out stops to make it special. We might even want to put State funding towards it.

- the idea that the outgoing King (if available) crowns his/her successor is IMHO a very good precedent for the idea of continuity of monarchy. In the absence I suppose the head of the College of Arms is the second-preference coronator, with CJ-CpI being the third. I don't think the elected government should have a role in this.

- do we actually have a "crown", i.e. a facsimile of the fable Romanian train conductor's hat? That should be physically handed over, along with the Sash which symbolises the unity of Republic and Kingdom tradition.

From my understanding, Robert I still has possession of the original "crown." The sash is in the hands of HM King John and I will make suitable arrangements to see that it is passed on.

If the Squirrel King of Arms is not available for the coronation, then perhaps the incoming Squirrel Viceroy of Arms could act in his stead.
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on August 27, 2024, 09:59:53 AM
QuoteThe ceremony should be conducted in el glheþ Talossan.  While Sir Txec is familiar with el glheþ, I think he won't mind me saying that he is not fluent.  However, perhaps the oath and affirmations (eg, "éu detxeradréu" or the like) could be delivered thus.

I also think with the use of "fauxnetics" and/or other phonetic spellings this issue could be mitigated.

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Bentxamì Puntmasleu on August 27, 2024, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on August 26, 2024, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 26, 2024, 02:48:07 PMA monarch of el Regipäts should be crowned in el Regipäts.  This may not be possible right away, but it is entirely okay to delay the formal Coroniçaziun.  The king is invested with power by act of law, not through the ceremony itself.  Assuming that His Majesty's choice of successor is confirmed, we should inquire about when this might be possible.

I have no practical idea on when this could occur. During the school year travel is not really a possibility and after the summer I had, I don't really expect much next summer. Time will tell.

This particular aspect seems like something I should assist with. Obviously, there's a lot to take into account but, if the formal Coronicaziun on Talossan land isn't going to be until next summer, that gives us a lot of time. Anyway, I will keep this in mind and contact Txec and the organizers with my thoughts. Feel free to contact me with anything you might need.
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 27, 2024, 04:21:56 PM
While we are glad to see so many people engaged on this topic, let me gently remind our many interlocutors from the rest of el Regipäts that this is the Coletx, and we are famous for standing on ceremony.  Generally speaking, this is a deliberation among members of the Coletx d'Armeux Rexhital - you should be a recognized herald or fellow to participate.  We have some reasonable forbearance, but this is not an open forum for all.

If you have an interest in the traditions of heraldry and their modern application through graphic design, and you wish to join the Coletx, please first familiarize yourself with the Rules of Heraldry (https://wiki.talossa.com/Rules_of_Heraldry) and petition for entry.  We are always eager for those interested in the field to join our noble tradition and our quirks (such as always signing our posts in this forum)!

With that said, the offer of assistance with event planning from the Scribe, and the considerations of the MinTech and the Seneschal are well-received, and we thank them for them.  I will consult with the Viceroy about the best way to include further public comment into this process.

I concur with the Fulbright Fellow that phonetic renderings of the necessary phrasing would make it easy for the future successor to play his part, if that seems okay to the Rouge Elephant?

I will contact former King Robert I about possibly obtaining the original crown.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 27, 2024, 05:01:49 PM
QuoteI  will contact former King Robert I about possibly obtaining the original crown.

Ha ha, good luck to you. You might find it easier just to find a similar Milwaukee fire department dress hat.
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 27, 2024, 05:28:24 PM
A second gentle reminder that this is a deliberation among members of the Coletx d'Armeux Rexhital - you should be a recognized herald or fellow to participate.  I will consult with the Viceroy about the best way to include further public comment into this process.

Anyway, I have a Milwaukee Fire Department dress blues hat from the 1970s that we can use, if the original cannot be obtained.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on August 27, 2024, 07:00:26 PM
A phonetic spelling was how I was able to give my oath as Seneschal when I called the king to swear on "The Loom of Language." That's another quirk I think we should resume in some form.

Nevertheless, perhaps I should open a temporary sub-board of the Coletx for public comment. Thoughts?

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on August 27, 2024, 07:12:55 PM
I would suggest that we could simply start a thread on the general board for public comment, but I do not feel strongly either way, S:reu Viceroy.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 01, 2024, 07:36:34 PM
Okay, so it seems like there's widespread agreement that this would be better to do in the GTA, even if we have to wait a while.  The Viceroy has expressed preference for an earlier ceremony than this would allow, but we're talking about a lifetime appointment, so I hope we can do it right.  Perhaps the Viceroy might be okay with a virtual ceremony to have him acknowledged as Heir Presumptive, and then do the coronation eight or nine months from now, when he might be able to commit to specific dates?  Then I think I have seen no opposition from any member of the Coletx or public with regards to making it a grand affair: inviting people, producing commemorative items, livestreaming it and putting it online, and so on.

Someone suggested leaving house name a secret until the event -- that seems fine to me if it's what the Viceroy would prefer, although it will complicate logistics very slightly.

I assume for regnal name it'll just be Txec, unless there's another given name to be preferred?

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 01, 2024, 08:44:18 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 01, 2024, 07:36:34 PMOkay, so it seems like there's widespread agreement that this would be better to do in the GTA, even if we have to wait a while.  The Viceroy has expressed preference for an earlier ceremony than this would allow, but we're talking about a lifetime appointment, so I hope we can do it right.  Perhaps the Viceroy might be okay with a virtual ceremony to have him acknowledged as Heir Presumptive, and then do the coronation eight or nine months from now, when he might be able to commit to specific dates?  Then I think I have seen no opposition from any member of the Coletx or public with regards to making it a grand affair: inviting people, producing commemorative items, livestreaming it and putting it online, and so on.

Someone suggested leaving house name a secret until the event -- that seems fine to me if it's what the Viceroy would prefer, although it will complicate logistics very slightly.

I assume for regnal name it'll just be Txec, unless there's another given name to be preferred?

-Dean

I absolutely agree the coronation should take place in the GTA at some future date. I had thought we'd have some sort of mini-accession event but even that is not required. I'm not worried about grandiose stuff here.

As for the other details, I would like my new arms to be ready upon my accession so the name of my house doesn't need to be a secret. I'm planning on simplicity here - The House of Nordselvâ or whatever that would be in Talossan. I also plan on using Txec as my regnal name also. Again, grandiose stuff is not required. Being king will be grand enough!

Even though I won't be the Squirrel Viceroy of Arms on my accession, I do hope to keep my status as a Herald in the Coletx.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 01, 2024, 09:16:36 PM
I think it'd be "Txec Regeu del Ca Nordselvă."  Arms will presumably be marshalled as such: quarterly, 1 and 4 argent, the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 ermine, a scroll bendwise sinister gules.  It could also be the more complicated: quarterly, 1 and 4 argent, the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 ermine, a cross engrailed enhanced and offset to dexter and in sinister base a scroll bendwise sinister gules.

There is ironclad precedent that you shall retain your status as a herald.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 01, 2024, 11:35:30 PM
I would prefer the more complicated quartering as it would portray all the elements of my current arms.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 07:42:10 AM
Okay, here's a mockup of that:
(https://data.heraldicon.org/export/68879148ad0db61ee2b52015fc94172ca344a7f0.svg)

The third and fourth quarters are clipped, as is normal for quarterings like this.

The rules state further that "Members of the peerage are entitled to enhancement of their achievements of arms consisting of a motto, a crowned helm, a crest, and mantling. Dukes alone are further entitled to adorn their achievements of arms with supporters."

Obviously, the king is the source of honours of all sorts, and so you will be able to just do whatever you want, but it is my advice that you adhere to the established system, the better to support the order you will impose and govern.  So I think the only thing remaining would be to choose supporters and a crest, since you already have a motto and mantling comes from the primary tincture (argent).  Did you have any thoughts or preferences?

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 02, 2024, 11:39:13 AM
I don't know if it would look weird or not, but for my supporters one could be a unicorn representing my Scottish heritage, and the other supporter a Badger representing my teaching career (I teach at a school with Badger as a mascot and have for the past 21 years). For my crest, an elephant represents my character of strength, resilience, slow to anger, etc. The arms with quartering themselves look good to me.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 03:04:00 PM
Okay. That all sounds fine to me. It will take me a bit to find art in suitable style for both a unicorn and a badger. The program I use already has both, but one is in French style and the other is in German style. I might just lift an SVG from existing arms that are in the public domain. Then I can be sure to find ones that are nicely shaded and langued and everything. Same with the elephant.

Question: for the crest, I believe traditional style would have the elephant facing dexter on top of the helm. I see you also have that for your badge: are you okay with that or would you prefer an elephant rampant?

I will write up the blazon tonight. Naturally, all members of the Coletx should feel free to weigh in on any of this.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 02, 2024, 03:37:27 PM
An Elephant to Dexter in my crest is perfectly fine with me. Thanks.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 02, 2024, 04:38:40 PM
This website has lots of Heraldric SVG images that can be ungrouped and colored appropriately. It's the one I use most of the time. 

Tons of unicorns, elephants, and several badgers.

https://heraldicart.org/unicorn/
https://heraldicart.org/elephant/
https://heraldicart.org/badger/

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 02, 2024, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 07:42:10 AMOkay, here's a mockup of that:
(https://data.heraldicon.org/export/68879148ad0db61ee2b52015fc94172ca344a7f0.svg)


I don't know if there is any precedent for it, or if it is totally out of line. But looking at this the quartering is somewhat lost in the meeting of argent and ermine. We could incorporate all elements of the original arms by moving the cross overall for example a rough blazon might be:

Quarterly, 1 and 4 argent, the Chinese glyph Ben sable, 2 and 3 ermine, a scroll bendwise sinister gules, and over all a cross engrailed.

This separates the quarters with the corss, while leaving the scrolls in quarters 2 and 3. Just an idea.

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 06:55:48 PM
I considered the suggestion of the Fulbright Fellow, but unfortunately, imposing an ordinary over all during the marshalling appears to have a specific heraldic meaning (even aside from the break with Talossan precedent) since it will read as an impaling or new arms instead of a quartering to indicate the union of his personal house and the realm.

In other words, quartering preserves the integrity of the individual arms.  Putting an engrailed cross over everything would make this an entirely new achievement, instead of a quartering, and would imply a right by blood to Talossa.

Thank you for the art links!  Great!

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 02, 2024, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 02, 2024, 04:38:40 PMThis website has lots of Heraldric SVG images that can be ungrouped and colored appropriately. It's the one I use most of the time. 

Tons of unicorns, elephants, and several badgers.

https://heraldicart.org/unicorn/
https://heraldicart.org/elephant/
https://heraldicart.org/badger/

-TFF

What a great source!

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 03, 2024, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 06:55:48 PMI considered the suggestion of the Fulbright Fellow, but unfortunately, imposing an ordinary over all during the marshalling appears to have a specific heraldic meaning (even aside from the break with Talossan precedent) since it will read as an impaling or new arms instead of a quartering to indicate the union of his personal house and the realm.

In other words, quartering preserves the integrity of the individual arms.  Putting an engrailed cross over everything would make this an entirely new achievement, instead of a quartering, and would imply a right by blood to Talossa.

Thank you for the art links!  Great!

-Dean

This makes perfect sense. I thank the Dean for humouring my unorthodox idea!

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 03, 2024, 08:58:03 AM
On the contrary, I am grateful to the Fulbright Fellow for his willingness to think outside the box and suggest novel solutions! And this idea can even be possibly utilized a badge or something.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 03, 2024, 11:53:21 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 03, 2024, 08:58:03 AMOn the contrary, I am grateful to the Fulbright Fellow for his willingness to think outside the box and suggest novel solutions! And this idea can even be possibly utilized a badge or something.

-Dean

It's outside the box ideas that keep us growing. Frankly, it was a good idea but the Dean is right that it would not mean what we intended.

As for a badge, I do need to start thinking about that as well. Perhaps it could be a modified version of my marshalled arms.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 03, 2024, 03:29:20 PM
Perhaps simplified from quarterly to party per bend? Something like:

Quoteper bend sinister argent and ermine, the Chinese glyph Ben sable and a scroll bendwise sinister separated by a bend sinister engrailed gules.

The shape of the field to be determined of course.

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 03, 2024, 04:39:05 PM
Yeah that might be quite snazzy!

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 04, 2024, 10:22:38 AM
Here is an example on a square field:

(https://i.imgur.com/dklcJNe.png)

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 04, 2024, 02:42:20 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 04, 2024, 10:22:38 AMHere is an example on a square field:

(https://i.imgur.com/dklcJNe.png)

-TFF

I rather like this badge. Nice job!

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on September 04, 2024, 03:42:01 PM
Thank you!

-TFF
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on September 06, 2024, 12:40:56 PM
Congratulations Sreu: Txec !

I would be delighted to participate in the coronation in an active role.

It feels wonderful that the CoA I designed for you will be remembered and revered throughout Talossa for a long time.

SKA
 

 
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 06, 2024, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on September 06, 2024, 12:40:56 PMCongratulations Sreu: Txec !

I would be delighted to participate in the coronation in an active role.

It feels wonderful that the CoA I designed for you will be remembered and revered throughout Talossa for a long time.

SKA

Thank you BenArd! I had quite forgotten it was you who designed my original arms. I am excited for what the future holds.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 18, 2024, 02:14:08 PM
Okay, as I read the situation and after ample time for other members of the Coletx to comment, here's where we stand:

- The prospective arms and associated badge have been sorted. Beautiful badge art has already been created, and we just need a good enblazonment of the arms.

- There is widespread agreement that it is preferable for the coronation to occur in the GTA, and general willingness to wait until summer for that to happen, if necessary. As we get to February and March, we can check and see anne whether such plans will actually work out for the incoming monarch.

- That leaves us with considerable time to tackle the niceties of the ceremony. A proposal for what will happen, a master of ceremonies, a translation of key parts of the script, and assembly of the necessary paraphernalia.

Is there any other business to put on our radar? We should probably assemble any upcoming grants, and inquire of His Majesty as to whether he would like to make the awards.

Perhaps different parts of this should go to different heralds?

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on September 18, 2024, 03:00:43 PM
As part of the potential upcoming Accession, I have been working on a draft of Accession Honours that I will first be presenting for advice to my incoming Privy Council and also with the incumbent government. I have a few ideas about things going forward but I don't wish to act unilaterally so will be seeking advice.

On another note, I do think it is perhaps time to elevate the The Fulbright Fellow to the rank of Pursuivant. I'll have a chat with the Dean and The Fulbright Fellow in another thread.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on October 22, 2024, 11:24:31 AM
Has there been any progress in the supporters and the crest for my arms? Also, I need a little help in translating into Talossan the blazon of both the arms and the badge.
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 27, 2024, 04:02:54 PM
I have already done the translation, although I'm going to check with Tafi about it.

For the supporters, I have commissioned art through Fiverr, since I couldn't find anything I liked.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on October 28, 2024, 06:31:46 AM
Awesome, thanks. Fiverr is a pretty cool resource. I've used it in the past myself. Thanks Dean.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 17, 2024, 10:50:44 PM
Here's the progress so far.

(https://i.imgur.com/jNNXPz6.png)

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on November 17, 2024, 11:57:16 PM
Wow. That looks awesome!

- SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on November 18, 2024, 07:58:08 AM
Beautiful work!

-Green Town
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 18, 2024, 04:47:00 PM
Now things are able to proceed with more alacrity.  I think that we will want to display this on a cream field, since elephants, badgers, and unicorns are all remarkably monochrome. It ends up being fairly striking, with the escutcheon itself standing out from the rest of the achievement.

(https://i.imgur.com/AoDv1Bv.png)

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on November 18, 2024, 07:29:26 PM
Very nice work!

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on November 30, 2024, 11:11:30 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on September 02, 2024, 07:42:10 AMOkay, here's a mockup of that:
(https://data.heraldicon.org/export/68879148ad0db61ee2b52015fc94172ca344a7f0.svg)

The third and fourth quarters are clipped, as is normal for quarterings like this.

The rules state further that "Members of the peerage are entitled to enhancement of their achievements of arms consisting of a motto, a crowned helm, a crest, and mantling. Dukes alone are further entitled to adorn their achievements of arms with supporters."

Obviously, the king is the source of honours of all sorts, and so you will be able to just do whatever you want, but it is my advice that you adhere to the established system, the better to support the order you will impose and govern.  So I think the only thing remaining would be to choose supporters and a crest, since you already have a motto and mantling comes from the primary tincture (argent).  Did you have any thoughts or preferences?

-Dean

Good morning,

Is it possible to get a copy of the escutcheon in a form like .jpg or .png? Thanks.

-SVA/REH
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 30, 2024, 02:27:05 PM
Certainly, your Majesty.  An SVG and a PNG are attached.

-Dean
Title: Re: Coronation Prep
Post by: King Txec on December 02, 2024, 11:44:15 AM
For future occassions of granting honours, I would be pleased if we could move the date of the Sovereign's Birthday Honours from 12 October to 14 January as I presume the current date is the birthday of the former king, Duke John. Instead, perhaps we can move from alternate occasions into the general time frame Accession Day Honours, which should now occur on November 30. I would also propose moving Wargaming Day Honours into alternate occasions, so as to prevent too many days of honour from piling up.

-REH