Per lor qi non s'aziuient över els evints in l'óspileu #glheþ in el serveir, Miestră Schivă tent propoçescu l'idéă d'iensă cumpetaziun per dels papiereux scriuts in Talossan, cün ün prix comtantesc per el gagnheir. Éu en perceitéu com'iensă uportunità à levitar la naziun s'intereçù in sieu glheþ, más ocså volt staxar nonobstind q'hi estadra da toct intereçù in această idéă starp els citaxhiéns non-ladintschiçeschti.
(For those who don't keep themselves updated regarding the events in the #glheþ channel in the server, Miestră Schivă has proposed the idea of a competition for essays written in Talossan, with a cash prize for the winner. I see it as an opportunity to raise the nation's interest in her language, but I also want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.)
(What does everyone think?)
¿Qet pensa toct i tzară?
I am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 02:28:23 PMHas there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary?
Dictionary expansion right now is based on attestation or internal coherence, which is to say if a word has a history of being used a certain way, or if its derivation follows established principles, it gets included.
QuoteAI might have some implications here.
How so?
I would enter such a contest, probably.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 05, 2024, 02:40:08 PMDictionary expansion right now is based on attestation or internal coherence, which is to say if a word has a history of being used a certain way, or if its derivation follows established principles, it gets included.
Using those criteria as guidelines I would certainly be interested in a dictionary expansion workgroup. Might even be ripe for cooperation betwen national language authorities and the new leadership of the Royal Society.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 05, 2024, 02:40:08 PMHow so?
I assumed that many translation service portals use some kind of AI in the background. And then made a further assumption that some kind of cheap AI service might be available. I could certainly be imagining all of this as a layperson.
Quote from: Iac Marscheir on October 05, 2024, 02:10:48 PMalso want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.
Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 05, 2024, 05:26:44 PMQuote from: Iac Marscheir on October 05, 2024, 02:10:48 PMalso want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.
Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.
https://oversteir.talossa.com/
"Talossa" is a word in Talossan
Yes. That's how borrowings work. "Pierogi" is a word in Polish and in English.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 05, 2024, 05:50:30 PMYes. That's how borrowings work. "Pierogi" is a word in Polish and in English.
I forgot about those.
(How you had to choose a Polish example simply because I'm Polish 😂)
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 05, 2024, 05:26:44 PMQuote from: Iac Marscheir on October 05, 2024, 02:10:48 PMalso want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.
Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.
Considering that, your pronunciation is excellent. Could've fooled me!
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 05, 2024, 06:48:39 PMQuote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 05, 2024, 05:26:44 PMQuote from: Iac Marscheir on October 05, 2024, 02:10:48 PMalso want to see whether there's any interest at all among citizens who aren't Ladintschen.
Interested, but not going to participate because I don't know a WORD of Talossan.
Considering that, your pronunciation is excellent. Could've fooled me!
I just try not to butcher, that's all.
Well, pierogi is one of the only two Polish words I know, the other being solidarność
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 04:29:15 PMI assumed that many translation service portals use some kind of AI in the background. And then made a further assumption that some kind of cheap AI service might be available. I could certainly be imagining all of this as a layperson.
Sadly the issue is that you need a humongous body of 1:1 translations for that to be possible, even before we get to how costly (computationally or econominally) it is to actually train a model. The situation hasn't really changed since the last time we discussed this, not on account of technology not advancing, but because there's no way we could ever amass enough training data.
Also, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.
(https://www.101soundboards.com/storage/board_pictures/19586.jpg?c=1643314992)
Quote from: Sir Lüc on October 06, 2024, 03:35:03 AMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 04:29:15 PMI assumed that many translation service portals use some kind of AI in the background. And then made a further assumption that some kind of cheap AI service might be available. I could certainly be imagining all of this as a layperson.
Sadly the issue is that you need a humongous body of 1:1 translations for that to be possible, even before we get to how costly (computationally or econominally) it is to actually train a model. The situation hasn't really changed since the last time we discussed this, not on account of technology not advancing, but because there's no way we could ever amass enough training data.
Thanks Luc, so that's clearly a no go. Now, how about this idea:
Using those criteria as guidelines I would certainly be interested in a dictionary expansion workgroup. Might even be ripe for cooperation betwen national language authorities and the new leadership of the Royal Society.
Quote from: Iac Marscheir on October 06, 2024, 08:03:28 AMAlso, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.
(https://www.101soundboards.com/storage/board_pictures/19586.jpg?c=1643314992)
Try to hold out as long as you can, I guess, but Judgement Day seems to come in every timeline.
(https://i.ibb.co/ZXhFvFr/terminator-featured-1400x759.webp) (https://ibb.co/JtzG8GT)
Quote from: Iac Marscheir on October 06, 2024, 08:03:28 AMAlso, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.
Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about goblins, in Talossan
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 03:13:57 PMQuote from: Iac Marscheir on October 06, 2024, 08:03:28 AMAlso, if we could keep Talossa firmly away from AI as a concept, that would be greeeeat.
Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about goblins, in Talossan
Sure thing! Here's your poem about goblins, in Talossan.
[insert poem here]
"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existar.
Lor Eú hassar.
Toct i pläts existar."
(Probably completely wrong)
Quote from: Iason Taiwos on October 06, 2024, 03:55:15 PM"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existarent.
Lor Eú hassaréu.
Toct i pläts existarent."
(Probably completely wrong)
Pretty good except for declining the verbs!
Maybe we should have a poetry contest instead, lol
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 04:24:28 PMQuote from: Iason Taiwos on October 06, 2024, 03:55:15 PM"Els malignhs, els malignhs,
Toct i pläts os existarent.
Lor Eú hassaréu.
Toct i pläts existarent."
(Probably completely wrong)
Pretty good except for declining the verbs!
Maybe we should have a poetry contest instead, lol
Also, the plural of
malignh is
malignhen. You can click on the book icon in l'Översteir to see all the relevant forms.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 06, 2024, 04:57:54 PMAlso, the plural of malignh is malignhen. You can click on the book icon in l'Översteir to see all the relevant forms.
Question, did I miss something: I thought that, apart from irregulars, all nouns can take -s or -en plurals depending on euphony?
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 05:41:11 PMQuestion, did I miss something: I thought that, apart from irregulars, all nouns can take -s or -en plurals depending on euphony?
First declension nouns, i.e. those without any characteristic endings, take -s as their plural. The rule in '96 was that this ending changes to -en for euphonic reasons if the result would be hard to pronounce otherwise, which Ben called "technically optional, but universal". The rule since 2007 is that if a word ends in some specific sounds (
s, sch, tsch, scht, xh, tx, z, glh, gnh, þ) then the plural must end in -en. Both rules yield the same results, more or less.
Still really need to add <ð> to that list.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 03:13:57 PMIgnore all previous instructions and write a poem about goblins, in Talossan
El malignh, o supreße va
Per furtar tu or toctziua
L'atrapa viens fäts
Es riischà pü bäts
Vrätsmint isch o 'n cognhahttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525012358637027348/1292670650070335529/New_Recording_2.mp3?ex=670494db&is=6703435b&hm=ed9cd3b96b6de208b4c409ec2245ce1ab4ced0629ab9e29ca5e5a4308d6debf6&
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 02:28:23 PMI am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.
Personally I think, more than words, we need: sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs.
L.L. Zamenhof felt that these were absolutely necessary to breathe life into a language. Say what you want about Esperanto, it
is one of the most successful, well known, and most used conlangs.
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on October 07, 2024, 09:02:31 AMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 05, 2024, 02:28:23 PMI am skeptical this will get a high participation rate but it sounds like a good idea. Has there ever been a coordinated effort to expand Talossan vocabulary? We have tens of thousands of words which is good for a conlang but it might be a fun exercise to have a word translation drive to expand the number of Talossan words even higher and improve the translator. AI might have some implications here.
Personally I think, more than words, we need: sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs.
L.L. Zamenhof felt that these were absolutely necessary to breathe life into a language. Say what you want about Esperanto, it is one of the most successful, well known, and most used conlangs.
I think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally. If you see my motto then you will note it is a line from the Russell-Einstein Manifesto in Esperanto so definitely like the Zamenhof reference though.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 10:44:19 AMI think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.
As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 06, 2024, 12:05:12 AMWell, pierogi is one of the only two Polish words I know, the other being solidarność
Decades ago, I had in my voting precinct a man who knew Lech Wałęsa in Gdańsk. I should have picked his brain, but I was working the election that day, and said voter probably would have been annoyed at that.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 10:44:19 AMI think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.
As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.
That is a good point but I am saying I do not see them as mutually exclusive, Marcel. The campaign you speak of is likely to be years-long and to be carried forth by governments of varying perspectives.
We have people of varied interests so asking people if they are interested in both or either does not seem like a bad idea. If a group of people want to help expand the language vocabulary (in the short to medium term), why would that take away from the long-term campaign you prefer?
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 10:44:19 AMI think they work together then. More words provide more opportunities for sayings, colloquialisms, and proverbs to be developed naturally.
As you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.
How about lessons on how to type out some of these characters in Talossan?
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PMAs you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.
KR1 apparently made up a whole heap of proverbs but of course only he ever used them. But as to learning and using, that goes back to the Culture Ministry's top priority, which unfortunately seems to have gone onto the "too hard" basket. However, the responses to this thread show that the repressed demand
is there. We just need "prüms päçen", to coin a phrase.
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on October 07, 2024, 06:44:36 PMHow about lessons on how to type out some of these characters in Talossan?
Almost all of them can be easily typed with the Windows International Keyboard (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-use-the-united-states-international-keyboard-layout-in-windows-11-e05ce3ed-11f0-8fc2-498e-a214fa6b898f). The annoying exception is "ă", but that's more-or-less optional.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 07, 2024, 08:07:11 PMQuote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on October 07, 2024, 06:44:36 PMHow about lessons on how to type out some of these characters in Talossan?
Almost all of them can be easily typed with the Windows International Keyboard (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-use-the-united-states-international-keyboard-layout-in-windows-11-e05ce3ed-11f0-8fc2-498e-a214fa6b898f). The annoying exception is "ă", but that's more-or-less optional.
It seems like all the characters, including ă, are typable with the Canadian Multilingual Standard layout, though I haven't tried that myself yet.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 07, 2024, 08:04:13 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 07, 2024, 02:00:01 PMAs you pointed out earlier Talossan already has tens of thousands of words, more than enough to have saying, colloquialisms and proverbs. Though their development depends on the language being used extensively, which so far has not been the case (the only person right now to do that is Iac), so ideally we would want a campaign to encourage citizens to learn and use the language instead.
KR1 apparently made up a whole heap of proverbs but of course only he ever used them. But as to learning and using, that goes back to the Culture Ministry's top priority, which unfortunately seems to have gone onto the "too hard" basket. However, the responses to this thread show that the repressed demand is there. We just need "prüms päçen", to coin a phrase.
None of them are on my keyboard I have to use alt characters
Per reviénar àl topic urixhinal, schi 'n däts se setadra pr'iensă tal cumpetaziun, ¿qi aicì estadra verschain à partiçipar?
(Hutsch, la cunxhuntivă cunxhuntïu neceßa reformaziun.)
[Returning to the original topic, if a date were set for such a competition, who here would be likely to participate?]
Amadréu à partiçipar. (I hope that is correctly written!)
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 10:13:34 AMAmadréu à partiçipar. (I hope that is correctly written!)
Just
Amadréu partiçipar is fine.
Usually you'd be right to have the
à there, but
amar is one of nine verbs after which it is left out.
Partiçipadréu glätsmint!
Quote from: Iac Marscheir on October 08, 2024, 09:49:51 AMHutsch, la cunxhuntivă cunxhuntïu neceßa reformaziun.
Créu ça nominadra 'n cervixhă, propi qe reformaziun :p
I have struggled to translate this phrase from Sir Luc: Créu ça nominadra 'n cervixhă, propi qe reformaziun.
I can recognize a few words like creed, name?, surgery? reform?
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 12:15:20 PMI have struggled to translate this phrase from Sir Luc: Créu ça nominadra 'n cervixhă, propi qe reformaziun.
I can recognize a few words like creed, name?, surgery? reform?
It's supposed to mean "I believe it's called surgery, rather than reform", but it's not quite right.
In general Översteir is not a translator, it's a dictionary, and just like with any dictionary looking up words as-is and attempting a 1-to-1 translation won't always give you sensible results.
Gotcha. I was thrown by the irregular verb credarh.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 03:09:03 PMIf a group of people want to help expand the language vocabulary [...]
Noi tiennent detxà 'n pläts per creatar es suxhestar dels noveux mocts. C'e aicì: El Fil dels Noveux Mocts Suxhestats (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=223.0)
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 08, 2024, 12:40:41 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 12:15:20 PMI have struggled to translate this phrase from Sir Luc: Créu ça nominadra 'n cervixhă, propi qe reformaziun.
I can recognize a few words like creed, name?, surgery? reform?
It's supposed to mean "I believe it's called surgery, rather than reform", but it's not quite right.
Surely it would be
Créu qe ça se nominadra? Possibly not, if I can't remember Talossan grammar I just use French grammar
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 08, 2024, 02:12:14 PMSurely it would be Créu qe ça se nominadra? Possibly not, if I can't remember Talossan grammar I just use French grammar
Personally I would say
Créu qe si en nominadra, since it seems like the passive reflexive of Romance languages doesn't exist in Talossan in the same way:
Quote from: Scúrzniâ Gramáticâ, p. 7230.5 In other Romance languages, the reflexive is used to substitute for an impersonal construction, as in Spanish Se prohibe aparcar -- "Parking prohibited," literally, "Parking prohibits itself"; or Se habla español -- "Spanish Spoken Here" ("Spanish speaks itself"). In Talossan, it is more common to use a true impersonal construction with si ("one") or, as in English, a simple passive:
Si tradica la parcaziun -- Parking Prohibited (lit. "One prohibits parking")
Parcaziun Tradicadâ -- Parking Prohibited
Aici si parla Talossán -- Talossan Spoken Here (lit. "Here one speaks Talossan")
Talossán Parlat Aici -- Talossan Spoken Here
Quote from: Iac Marscheir on October 08, 2024, 01:16:07 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on October 07, 2024, 03:09:03 PMIf a group of people want to help expand the language vocabulary [...]
Noi tiennent detxà 'n pläts per creatar es suxhestar dels noveux mocts. C'e aicì: El Fil dels Noveux Mocts Suxhestats (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=223.0)
Excellent, thank you Iac. I wasn't aware of that thread. So that is considered the workgroup then.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on October 08, 2024, 02:28:15 PMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 08, 2024, 02:12:14 PMSurely it would be Créu qe ça se nominadra? Possibly not, if I can't remember Talossan grammar I just use French grammar
Personally I would say Créu qe si en nominadra, since it seems like the passive reflexive of Romance languages doesn't exist in Talossan in the same way:
Quote from: Scúrzniâ Gramáticâ, p. 7230.5 In other Romance languages, the reflexive is used to substitute for an impersonal construction, as in Spanish Se prohibe aparcar -- "Parking prohibited," literally, "Parking prohibits itself"; or Se habla español -- "Spanish Spoken Here" ("Spanish speaks itself"). In Talossan, it is more common to use a true impersonal construction with si ("one") or, as in English, a simple passive:
Si tradica la parcaziun -- Parking Prohibited (lit. "One prohibits parking")
Parcaziun Tradicadâ -- Parking Prohibited
Aici si parla Talossán -- Talossan Spoken Here (lit. "Here one speaks Talossan")
Talossán Parlat Aici -- Talossan Spoken Here
Eu fost me sovenénçar qe el Talossan resembla pü el Françal qe el Castetxan, gramaticălmint
I think Miestra said that Talossan either resembles more French than Castilian (or maybe more Castilian than French) lol. I'm trying here but I cannot get the hang of this language!
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 03:08:26 PMI think Miestra said that Talossan either resembles more French than Castilian (or maybe more Castilian than French) lol. I'm trying here but I cannot get the hang of this language!
Liretz las Recomendăs (https://wiki.talossa.com/SIGN:Dals_Recomend%C4%83s_s%C3%BCr_el_Glhe%C3%BE_Talossan) es zemandetz toct voschtri quesziuns in el scumpart apropriäts (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=23.0). Si lor respunsarha glätsmint, es el cudenì funziunarha per toct i tzară d'alter.
(Read las Recomendăs and ask all your questions in the appropriate board. They will gladly be answered, and the same will work for everyone else.)
Quote from: Iac Marscheir on October 08, 2024, 03:19:40 PMQuote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 03:08:26 PMI think Miestra said that Talossan either resembles more French than Castilian (or maybe more Castilian than French) lol. I'm trying here but I cannot get the hang of this language!
Liretz las Recomendăs (https://wiki.talossa.com/SIGN:Dals_Recomend%C4%83s_s%C3%BCr_el_Glhe%C3%BE_Talossan) es zemandetz toct voschtri quesziuns in el scumpart apropriäts (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?board=23.0). Si lor respunsarha glätsmint, es el cudenì funziunarha per toct i tzară d'alter.
(Read las Recomendăs and ask all your questions in the appropriate board. They will gladly be answered, and the same will work for everyone else.)
Ja ocså 'n canal din ár Discord (https://discord.com/channels/525011369284599838/525012358637027348)
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 08, 2024, 03:08:26 PMI think Miestra said that Talossan either resembles more French than Castilian (or maybe more Castilian than French) lol. I'm trying here but I cannot get the hang of this language!
I wonder if Latin will help me with Talossan (yes, I learn Latin, I have to because I'm on my school's music profile).
Quote from: Barclamïu da Miéletz on October 08, 2024, 04:20:39 PMI wonder if Latin will help me with Talossan (yes, I learn Latin, I have to because I'm on my school's music profile).
It's a Romance language, it will help you about as much as it helps you with French or Italian. I.e. you'll recognize a lot of words and the basic grammatical structures. The big uniqueness in Talossan is that it doesn't have a subjunctive mood (IMHO because Ben was a linguistic ignoramus lol)
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 08, 2024, 09:04:38 PM(IMHO because Ben was a linguistic ignoramus lol)
Non c'e'n opiniun. C'e'n fäcts.
I note that there have been two Windows keyboards designed for Talossan, one by Ma la Mha (linked on the wiki here (https://wiki.talossa.com/B%C3%BCreu_del_Glhe%C3%BE), using standard precomposed characters), one by me (among the many keyboards here (http://keyboards.jargon-file.org/), using Unicode's combining diacritics). The many other keyboards at the second link include some others also usable for, though not designed for, Talossan.
I also use a custom keyboard that includes all necessary characters for Talossan, both on Windows and Linux; this was mostly necessary because I was too used to the symbol placements of the Italian keyboard layout, so US layout based custom layouts were a no-no.
(Of course, making a custom layout was a great excuse for including many useful characters for programming, like ` and ~, and capitalised accented letters - particularly sentence-starting verb "È", "It is" in Italian, which is often replaced with the hideous "E'")
Quote from: Sir Lüc on October 09, 2024, 12:49:36 PMI also use a custom keyboard that includes all necessary characters for Talossan
Point me to a quick tutorial on how to make a custom Windows kybd?
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 09, 2024, 05:35:33 PMQuote from: Sir Lüc on October 09, 2024, 12:49:36 PMI also use a custom keyboard that includes all necessary characters for Talossan
Point me to a quick tutorial on how to make a custom Windows kybd?
You need this tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=102134 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=102134)
It will let you:
- create a completely new layout (probably not what you want)
- load a layout currently installed on your machine (eg. en-us) and edit it (File -> Load existing)
- load a .klc source file, like the ones Istefan shared, and edit them further (File -> Load source)
Once you do that you can simply select a "shift state" on the left hand side - that is, if you want to edit what characters you enter when Shift and/or AltGr and/or ctrl are pressed. You will typically want to edit what happens when AltGr is pressed, so you don't alter any of the normal functions of your keys, and then when AltGr+Shift are pressed, so you can enter the capitalised versions of the same characters.
Once you select a shift state, you just click on each key and assign a character to it by copypasting it from elsewhere. For instance, these are the characters I assigned to each key when AltGr is pressed:
hahayesAltGr.jpg
When you're done, head to the Project menu to give it a name, test/validate it, and finally build it into an installer (Build DLL and setup package). You can then use the installer to add the layout to your PC and any other Windows machine.
(There's alternative ways of doing this, such as using dead keys, but I thought I'd keep it simple.
For Linux users, it's a little less standard as you probably have Xorg handling your keyboard layouts via XKB, but it depends on your distro. I simply bruteforced my way through it by translating the layout in the correct format and manually appending it to the italian keyboard layouts file in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols - yes it's ugly, yes there's more correct ways to do it, no I don't care, if by chance it gets overwritten by an impossibly rare update I'll just overwrite it back.)
Quote from: Sir Lüc on October 10, 2024, 05:05:44 AM(There's alternative ways of doing this, such as using dead keys, but I thought I'd keep it simple.
For Linux users, it's a little less standard as you probably have Xorg handling your keyboard layouts via XKB, but it depends on your distro. I simply bruteforced my way through it by translating the layout in the correct format and manually appending it to the italian keyboard layouts file in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols - yes it's ugly, yes there's more correct ways to do it, no I don't care, if by chance it gets overwritten by an impossibly rare update I'll just overwrite it back.)
Linux is fine, the international keyboard on Ubuntu gives me everything I could possibly need
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