Whereas, building on the renowned "we would stand with you, but it's safer to stand behind you" stance Talossa reaffirms its renouncing of the role of violent conflict in the resolution of interpersonal and international disputes and commits to the promotion of peace and goodwill among individuals and nations, and
Whereas, to practically affirm this stance Talossa assigns its defence and cultural troops to the Civil Service.
Therefore, be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa, that El Lexhatx Title D (The Government), Section 2.4 which currently reads as:
QuoteThe Minister of Defence, leading the Ministry of Defence, which shall marshal and provide the Invincible Moral Support of the nation to the good and right side of any international conflict, as determined by the government, conveying to the combatants our proud "we would stand with you, but it's safer to stand behind you" stance. The Defence Minister shall command the armed forces of the Kingdom during peacetime and during times of declared war, subservient in these duties only to the King in his majesty's organic role as Leader of the Armed Forces. During the latter periods, the Defence Minister is to be referred to as "War Minister." As detailed in Title I, the Bureau of Defence shall include:
2.4.1.1 The Talossan Royal Navy
2.4.1.2 The Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard
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Furthermore, El Lexhatx Title I (Military) which currently reads as:
Quote1. The Royal Talossan Navy shall be administered by the Admiral of the Fleet (RTN O-9 / NATO OF-10), appointed by the Monarch upon recommendation by the Minister of Defence or designated subordinate and approval by a majority vote in the Ziu.
1.1. Each of the three Branches of the Navy (the Naval Corps, Marine Corps, and Air Corps) will be under the immediate direction of a Branch Chief; those being the Chief of Talossan Naval Operations (Admiral – RTN O-8 / NATO OF-9), Commandant of the Royal Talossan Marine Corps (General – RTMC O-8 / NATO OF-9), and Chief of the Royal Talossan Air Corps (Chief Marshal – RTAC O-8/NATO OF-9). Each are appointed by the Seneschal upon recommendation by the Minister of Defence or designated subordinate and approval by the Admiral of the Fleet.
1.2 The Admiral and the three Branch Chiefs compose the Navy Board and are charged with the day-to-day operations of the Bureau.
1.3 The Minister of Defence, in consultation with the Navy Board, shall promulgate a code of military regulations to be known as the Uniform Code of Military Organization or UCMO for the purpose of the organization, training and discipline of the Talossan Armed Forces. The UCMO shall reflect the professionalism of the Armed Forces of the Kingdom of Talossa as well as recognize the relations of our great nation's place in retrospect to the other great nations and allied militaries of the world.
1.4 Private Adventurers in possession of royal letters of marque and reprisal shall be granted commissions as Officers of the Line in the reserve of the Royal Talossan Navy in inactive status. Private Adventurers shall be governed by the Office of Private Adventurers within the Navy and by the UCMO.
2. The Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál (the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard) shall be led by El Capitán da l'Altahál (The Captain of the Guard).
2.1. Establishment of Official Improvised Weaponry. Bedposts are declared to be the "official preferred improvised weapon" of the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard.
2.2. Military Use of Bedposts. The Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard shall make use of bedposts for ceremonial and drill purposes.
2.3. Cupped Bedposts. Bedposts used by the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard may have an indentation in the end of the bedpost up to one inch in depth and between one and two inches in diameter. The indentation must be curved with no foreign substances added. The bedpost, for not more than 18 inches from its end, may be covered or treated with any material or substance (such as pine tar) to improve the grip. No bedpost may be used for military purposes which is not a single piece of wood or which has been hollowed out and filled with cork or rubber.
2.4. Military Bedpost Regulation. Appropriate officers of the Guard shall be held responsible by the Ministry of Defence for establishing further regulations for the provisioning and use of said bedposts, such as specifying the size of the bedframe from which a bedpost issued to and maintained by service members at each military rank shall be taken, and specifying military exercises for the practice and display of proficiency and fluency in the use of the bedpost, for the purposes of both close-combat and the ceremonial fancy throwing the thing up and flipping it in circles and stuff before catching it with flair and shouldering it sharply, maybe even spinning around a time or two while it's in the air; you know, stuff like that.
3. Talossa maintains a military in keeping with the tradition of all of history's greatest nations. The military is maintained in effort to provide our citizens a unique opportunity to serve the Kingdom in uniform while gaining access to both special training and social opportunities. As an internally focused service, the UTMF are not intended for offensive use and anyone who commits actual acts of violence in the name of Talossa will lose their citizenship (according to the will of the Cort pu Inalt). The Kingdom shall continue to represent and encourage peace between among all nations, Macro and Micro in nature.
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A new section, 1.8 is added under El Lexhatx Title C (The Royal Civil Service), to read as follows:
QuoteC.1.8 The Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard
1.8. Private adventurers in possession of suitable skills and character shall be granted commissions as members of the nation's regimented cultural and defence force, Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál (the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard).
1.8.1 The Els Zuávs da l'Altahál Rexhitál (the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard) shall be led by El Capitán da l'Altahál (The Captain of the Guard) who is responsible for all granted commissions to the Zouaves.
1.8.2 El Capitán da l'Altahál or (The Captain of the Guard) serves at the pleasure of the King on the advice of the Seneschal.
1.8.2.1 El Capitán da l'Altahál or (The Captain of the Guard) shall have the ability to further organize the Zouaves into sub-units such as the Air Zouaves, Sea Zouaves, Space Zouaves and Ground Zouaves, in consultation with the Office of the Seneschal.
1.8.2.2 El Capitán da l'Altahál or (The Captain of the Guard) shall have the ability to appoint and dismiss at will a Vice-Captain of the Guard to assist in Guard administration. The Captain and Vice-Captain shall have the ability, in co-operation, to similarly organize sub-units upon their establishment e.g. a Sub-Captain of the Air Zouaves, etc.
1.8.2.3 El Capitán da l'Altahál or (The Captain of the Guard) shall promulgate a code of internal regulations to be known as the Uniform Standing Orders or USO for the purpose of organizational training and discipline. The USO shall reflect the professionalism of the regimented cultural and defence forces of the Kingdom of Talossa as well as recognize the relations of our great nation's place in retrospect to the other great nations and allied defence forces of the world.
1.8.3 Establishment of Official Improvised Weaponry. Bedposts are declared to be the "official preferred improvised weapon" of the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard.
1.8.3.1 Acceptable Use of Bedposts. The Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard shall make use of bedposts for ceremonial and drill purposes.
1.8.3.2 Cupped Bedposts. Bedposts used by the Zouaves of the Royal Bodyguard may have an indentation in the end of the bedpost up to one inch in depth and between one and two inches in diameter. The indentation must be curved with no foreign substances added. The bedpost, for not more than 18 inches from its end, may be covered or treated with any material or substance (such as pine tar) to improve the grip. No bedpost may be used for aggressive purposes which is not a single piece of wood or which has been hollowed out and filled with cork or rubber.
1.8.3.3 Bedpost Regulation. Appropriate officers of the Guard shall be held responsible by the Office of the Seneschal for establishing further regulations for the provisioning and use of said bedposts, such as specifying the size of the bedframe from which a bedpost issued to and maintained by service members at each sub-unit rank shall be taken, and specifying acceptable exercises for the practice and display of proficiency and fluency in the use of the bedpost, for the purpose of ceremonial fancy throwing the thing up and flipping it in circles and stuff before catching it with flair and shouldering it sharply, maybe even spinning around a time or two while it's in the air; you know, stuff like that.
1.8.4 Talossa welcomes citizens with experience in an external defence force to join and serve in the Royal Zouaves as a unique opportunity to serve the Kingdom in uniform while gaining access to both special training and social opportunities. As an internally focused service, the Royal Zouaves are not intended for offensive use and anyone who commits actual acts of violence in the name of Talossa will lose their citizenship (according to the will of the Cort pu Inalt). The Kingdom shall continue to represent and encourage peace among all nations, both macro and micro, in nature.
Uréu q'estadra så:
Breneir Tzaracomprada (MC-Green)
Mr. Secretary, requesting to move this item to the CRL.
@Sir Lüc
I is a title of el Lexhatx. El Lexhatx is divided up into titles, which are then divided into sections, and then into subsections, and then into subsubsections, and so on. Please fix the spots where you have used erroneous and confusing labels. (Section I could be read as Section 1 of the title you were just referencing, for example.)
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 04, 2025, 07:49:49 PMI is a title of el Lexhatx. El Lexhatx is divided up into titles, which are then divided into sections, and then into subsections, and then into subsubsections, and so on. Please fix the spots where you have used erroneous and confusing labels. (Section I could be read as Section 1 of the title you were just referencing, for example.)
I'm on it, thanks Baron!
I missed this bill when it was first proposed, as I think did many people. It is inappropriate for me to comment in the CRL so I figured I'd share my thoughts here.
At some point, the rush toward whatever this bill aims to do risks alienating citizens, destroying some of our cultural history, and completely missing the point. The section in question, that S:reu Tzaracomprada desires to completely eliminate, states very clearly the following:
QuoteThe military is maintained in effort to provide our citizens a unique opportunity to serve the Kingdom in uniform while gaining access to both special training and social opportunities. As an internally focused service, the UTMF are not intended for offensive use and anyone who commits actual acts of violence in the name of Talossa will lose their citizenship (according to the will of the Cort pu Inalt). The Kingdom shall continue to represent and encourage peace between among all nations, Macro and Micro in nature.
This elimination also removes things such as the absolutely crazy but fun concept of using cupped bedposts as weapons for the Zouaves, the Royal Navy, and the Air Force. I can personally say that the Royal Navy has been planning an expedition. With this bill, they might as well sit on their couches.
There is absolutely zero risk that Talossa will ever engage in violent conflict, and by law, anyone doing so loses their citizenship. The final portion of El Lex I states exactly what I believe S:reu Tzaracomprada is after: "The Kingdom shall continue to represent and encourage peace between among all nations, Macro and Micro in nature."
Never mind the fact that the bill eliminates an entire Title of El Lex without relettering, which makes a bit of a mess for the scribe who now would have to figure out if the law should move from Titles H to J or resetter or something else.
Should this bill be passed by the Ziu, I intend to veto it.
-Txec R
"The Kingdom shall continue to represent and encourage peace between among all nations, Macro and Micro in nature."
By the way, this is not a typo on my part, this is the actual text of El Lex "peace between among all nations" - if we do end up keeping El Lex I, we should chose either "among" or "between".
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on June 05, 2025, 05:25:18 AM"The Kingdom shall continue to represent and encourage peace between among all nations, Macro and Micro in nature."
By the way, this is not a typo on my part, this is the actual text of El Lex "peace between among all nations" - if we do end up keeping El Lex I, we should chose either "among" or "between".
-Txec R
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Another intent of the bill is to reduce ministries and move the Zouaves into the Civil Service, Your Majesty. Further, the Defence Ministry has been moribund for some time despite the announced intent for a naval expedition.
CRL members and
@Sir Lüc I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to move this back to the Hopper for additional revisions and discussion if possible.
@King Txec has raised some legitimate concerns which I'd like to address before moving forward.
Sure
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 05, 2025, 10:36:33 AMCRL members and @Sir Lüc
I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to move this back to the Hopper for additional revisions and discussion if possible. @King Txec has raised some legitimate concerns which I'd like to address before moving forward.
Thank you. I merged my comments from the other thread here for convenience of discussion.
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on June 05, 2025, 12:04:35 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on June 05, 2025, 10:36:33 AMCRL members and @Sir Lüc
I don't know if this is possible but I'd like to move this back to the Hopper for additional revisions and discussion if possible. @King Txec has raised some legitimate concerns which I'd like to address before moving forward.
Thank you. I merged my comments from the other thread here for convenience of discussion.
-Txec R
@King Txec I have edited the statutory revision to re-add some things. Please let me know what you think.
I'll take a look when I have a moment.
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on June 15, 2025, 09:57:13 AMI'll take a look when I have a moment.
-Txec R
I appreciate that. I hope the changes address your concerns.
@Sir Lüc Mr. Secretary, when possible, I am ready to move this back to the CRL.
No objection to this bill.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 04, 2025, 07:49:49 PMI is a title of el Lexhatx. El Lexhatx is divided up into titles, which are then divided into sections, and then into subsections, and then into subsubsections, and so on. Please fix the spots where you have used erroneous and confusing labels. (Section I could be read as Section 1 of the title you were just referencing, for example.)
Looking at the text of the bill, I see this same problem.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on June 28, 2025, 04:27:02 PMLooking at the text of the bill, I see this same problem.
Thanks, has it been addressed now?
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 03, 2025, 02:05:02 PMThanks, has it been addressed now?
I am hoping silence means it has been.
In many contexts, silence does not mean consent.
No, the problem still exists. Maybe I'm not being clear, so let me just suggest this:
Therefore be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa that el Lexhatx D.2.4, which currently reads:
blahblah
shall be deleted in its entirety.
Furthermore, the whole of el Lexhatx I, which currently reads:
blahblah
shall be deleted in its entirety.
Furthermore, a new section C.1.8 shall be added, to read as follows:
blahblah
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:10:59 AMIn many contexts, silence does not mean consent.
No, the problem still exists. Maybe I'm not being clear, so let me just suggest this:
Therefore be it enacted by the Ziu of the Kingdom of Talossa that el Lexhatx D.2.4, which currently reads:
blahblah
shall be deleted in its entirety.
Furthermore, the whole of el Lexhatx I, which currently reads:
blahblah
shall be deleted in its entirety.
Furthermore, a new section C.1.8 shall be added, to read as follows:
blahblah
No you were not being clear. I will separate the deletions.
Alright, the deletions have been separated as suggested.
There was also a problem with how you referring to the sections, which is why I wrote out a more specific way (specific problem is a failure to refer to the whole of I). But okay.
I vote not to approve this bill.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:44:24 AMThere was also a problem with how you referring to the sections, which is why I wrote out a more specific way (specific problem is a failure to refer to the whole of I). But okay.
I vote not to approve this bill.
Thank you Baron. I don't think there is any lack of clarity on the intent of the bill. Even the King explicitly stated understanding the entirety of I was being deleted when responding with his concerns.
I think it is unlikely there will be much problem, especially given this extensive discussion, but I would do the same with any other bill that seemed ambiguous or poorly-drafted. That's the whole point of the CRL.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 20, 2025, 10:56:01 AMI think it is unlikely there will be much problem, especially given this extensive discussion, but I would do the same with any other bill that seemed ambiguous or poorly-drafted. That's the whole point of the CRL.
It is not ambiguous but I appreciate the help with improving the bill.
This bill still deletes an entire Title of El Lex, and it removes a huge portion of the cultural life of Talossa. I still intend to veto this bill.
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on July 20, 2025, 11:36:35 AMThis bill still deletes an entire Title of El Lex, and it removes a huge portion of the cultural life of Talossa. I still intend to veto this bill.
I initially took this out of the CRL to address your concerns, Your Majesty. I made changes and then asked for your review after making changes. You never responded unfortunately. Now, a month later, I am wondering what of Talossa's cultural life does the bill remove so that I can address that concern?
I likely missed the changes, sometimes Witt posts get buried. I am completely opposed to eliminating the entire military service.
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on July 20, 2025, 12:10:36 PMI likely missed the changes, sometimes Witt posts get buried. I am completely opposed to eliminating the entire military service.
-Txec R
I wanted to clarify this bill repurposes the Zouaves as Talossa's combined "cultural and defence forces" so it does not eliminate our military. And allows those in external armed forces the same ability to serve there in uniform. I made those changes based on your opposition. Does this not address your concern?
Ok so I don't see the point in eliminating an entire Title, moving a portion of the deleted Title to another, thus leaving a huge gap in El Lex. I also am opposed to eliminating the Royal Navy. Just because YOU don't see any action there does not mean there is not.
What is the concern here, that the kingdom will engage in physical warfare? Why must we tinker with our culture and history and eliminate anything that might be fun to some people while causing no harm whatsoever?
I've made my objections clear as is my right as Monarch. I cannot stop this bill ultimately if the Ziu decides to override me.
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on July 20, 2025, 12:25:07 PMOk so I don't see the point in eliminating an entire Title, moving a portion of the deleted Title to another, thus leaving a huge gap in El Lex. I also am opposed to eliminating the Royal Navy. Just because YOU don't see any action there does not mean there is not.
What is the concern here, that the kingdom will engage in physical warfare? Why must we tinker with our culture and history and eliminate anything that might be fun to some people while causing no harm whatsoever?
I've made my objections clear as is my right as Monarch. I cannot stop this bill ultimately if the Ziu decides to override me.
-Txec R
Your Majesty, I don't understand the hostile tone as I think I've been acting to accommodate your concerns throughout this process. Here's the good news, this bill is unlikely to pass so it is also unlikely you will need to use the royal veto. Of course, because I do support this effort I plan to move forward to guage support officially.