Okay, still not done with this one. I have several times looked at my undone chart of pluralizations and then closed it again. But it's mostly done, and hopefully in the next few days I'll get the motivation to grind through sorting out this chapter in my book into a useable reference table.
https://talossan.net/lesson-three/
It's looking good. I still struggle with the fact that subjects and predicates are reversed (or at least seem to be reversed) and the English teacher in me rebels at that!
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on April 15, 2025, 01:31:47 PMsubjects and predicates are reversed (or at least seem to be reversed)
I *think* what you're saying is that you struggle with the subject being identified by a suffix to the verb rather than by pronoun alone? But this is only an expansion of what happens in every English verb with "I go, he goes"
Whatever the reason, I struggle. My mind is not very "languages" oriented but I can recall about a billion useless facts!
-Txec R
Okay, this lesson is done There will be some "further exercises" to do, but the hard part is done.
@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP , any issues with it? I know that my pluralization chart is not exactly right (third declension isn't as simple as "a syllable with ä"), but I think it gets it as close as you can get without being excessively complicated.
https://talossan.net/lesson-three/
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 10:19:30 AMOkay, this lesson is done There will be some "further exercises" to do, but the hard part is done. @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP , any issues with it? I know that my pluralization chart is not exactly right (third declension isn't as simple as "a syllable with ä"), but I think it gets it as close as you can get without being excessively complicated.
https://talossan.net/lesson-three/
Your pluralisation table is missing 1st declension nouns ending in stressed vowels, which actually makes the exercise afterwards impossible:
The singular of "lapins" isn't "lapin" (so looking it up on Översteir won't give you any results), but rather "
lapì". These types of nouns are often enough that they should be accounted for.
As for the complexity of it all: this (along with pronunciation and stress placement) is the type of thing I've always struggled with the most when making learning materials: all the complexity is front-loaded. In a way I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who's struggling.
Oh, right! Thank you. That's the problem with starting something and then finishing it like 2 months later: you lose track of what you were doing.
Okay, I'll take another run at fixing it up.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 05, 2025, 10:27:35 AMYour pluralisation table is missing 1st declension nouns ending in stressed vowels, which actually makes the exercise afterwards impossible:
The singular of "lapins" isn't "lapin" (so looking it up on Översteir won't give you any results), but rather "lapì". These types of nouns are often enough that they should be accounted for.
Okay, I think that I have fixed it. There's really no way to know which version of the first declension it might be, right? It could be either lapin or lapì, if you don't actually know the word. So if you're learning, you just have to look them each up and see which one is right. Unless I missing a trick here?
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 05, 2025, 10:27:35 AMAs for the complexity of it all: this (along with pronunciation and stress placement) is the type of thing I've always struggled with the most when making learning materials: all the complexity is front-loaded. In a way I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who's struggling.
Yeah, it's really hard, especially if you're new to languages and the idea of declensions (or even "irregular" words).
I'm trying to make it as simple as possible with the charts, since I know that many people run into a wall of text and exceptions and so on and then just deflate.
Next lesson is going to be more practice with those charts, for that reason, to make the tool as familiar as possible. (Once I get it to actually be right, that is. My expertise is in teaching, not in languages. Thank you again for your help!)
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 04:59:47 PMThere's really no way to know which version of the first declension it might be, right? It could be either lapin or lapì, if you don't actually know the word. So if you're learning, you just have to look them each up and see which one is right. Unless I missing a trick here?
That's correct.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 04:59:47 PMOkay, I think that I have fixed it.
All the stressed final vowels in question are
-å, -è, -ì, -ò, -ö, -ù, -ü. Talossan doesn't have a distinction between acute (á) and grave (à) accents word-finally (or ever, really).
I know that é and è are the same, but aren't there words that end in both?
What do you mean?
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 05, 2025, 05:11:39 PMWhat do you mean?
I mean I know that there's functionally no difference between the two, but I thought there were words that ended in each? Maybe I'm mistaken?
I'm just imagining excluding one or the other from this chart, and having someone wondering why it's missing.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 05:15:14 PMI mean I know that there's functionally no difference between the two, but I thought there were words that ended in each? Maybe I'm mistaken?
I'm just imagining excluding one or the other from this chart, and having someone wondering why it's missing.
Ah, no, acute accents never show up word-finally, and grave accents only ever show up word-finally (except in the word
àl).
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 05, 2025, 05:33:15 PMAh, no, acute accents never show up word-finally, and grave accents only ever show up word-finally (except in the word àl).
Oh, I really thought there were some... huh, okeydokey! Thanks!
Fixed the chart, then. Does it look correct now? And is the exercise after it correct?
Also, if possible, would you make sure my extra practice questions are all correct? Should be a pretty easy thing to check.
And if that's all correct, then I think we're set with this lesson!
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 05:37:39 PMOh, I really thought there were some... huh, okeydokey! Thanks!
Fixed the chart, then. Does it look correct now? And is the exercise after it correct?
The table hasn't updated yet on my end, but the exercise is correct.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 05, 2025, 05:49:37 PMAlso, if possible, would you make sure my extra practice questions are all correct? Should be a pretty easy thing to check.
And if that's all correct, then I think we're set with this lesson!
In Lesson One, you're translating "ran" into "coriarha" (future tense) in the second and third extra exercises, it should be "corieva" like in the first.
Also, Lesson One translates "horse" as "caval" while Lesson Three uses "aic" instead. Both are correct, but it might be confusing to beginners if left unexplained.
EDIT: You also don't explain à + el > àl, only à + la > àl, that too might be confusing.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 05, 2025, 05:52:43 PMThe table hasn't updated yet on my end, but the exercise is correct.
Weird, it should be correct now with the better list you gave. Well, I'll check from a different IP later to see if it's still wrong to others.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 05, 2025, 05:56:24 PMIn Lesson One, you're translating "ran" into "coriarha" (future tense) in the second and third extra exercises, it should be "corieva" like in the first.
Also, Lesson One translates "horse" as "caval" while Lesson Three uses "aic" instead. Both are correct, but it might be confusing to beginners if left unexplained.
EDIT: You also don't explain à + el > àl, only à + la > àl, that too might be confusing.
Fixed, thanks! Wow, you went back and checked them all!
@Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC , I believe the third lesson is all set and approved.
https://talossan.net/lesson-three/
I anticipate the fourth lesson will be
much easier to write.
Another update (since the webpage only now refreshed for me): "Parla" means "He/she/it speaks", not "we speak". But aside from that, you wouldn't just use verbs all by themselves without a noun or pronoun in front, unless it ends in -éu (like "tombéu").