Wittenberg

WHEREAS on October 17th, Breneir Tzaracomprada told another citizen he was cute amidst an aggressive policy dispute.  This made the other citizen uncomfortable, but when told that he was being rude, he reiterated that he thought the target of his affections was cute.  Several people again reminded him that was inappropriate behavior, but S:reu Tzaracomprada took it further, saying he thought his target was handsome and that he'd tell anyone who asked.  He said he'd keep saying whatever he wanted.

Some weeks later, S:reu Tzaracomprada followed up these incidents by saying that he thought the same young man was "suave and debonair."  He repeated it again when asked to stop.  And he loudly proclaimed that he would continue to engage in this behavior, even when told very clearly that his target was deeply unhappy with his attentions, and

WHEREAS this treatment of another Talossan was unacceptable.  Behavior must be considered in context: there's nothing wrong with the word "cute" in many other situations, nor is it unreasonable to compliment someone's physical beauty at times.  However, this behavior was situationally inappropriate: (a) the "compliments" were combined with antagonism, (b) they were directed by an older person to a much younger person with no real existing relationship, and (c) S:reu Tzaracomprada was made aware that his target was very uncomfortable with the behavior.  It is clear in context, then, that S:reu Tzaracomprada was engaging in sexual harassment and

WHEREAS S:reu Tzaracomprada has made it clear that he does not regret his behavior, suggesting that it might happen again, and

WHEREAS it is awkward for the administrators of Wittenberg to act to limit this sexual harassment, considering S:reu Tzaracomprada is the sole vocal legislator for a political party, and this hesitance is understandable but not sustainable, and

WHEREAS it materially harms the Kingdom of Talossa to permit it to become a place where one citizen can sexually harass another with impunity,

THEREFORE be it known that it is the sense of the Ziu that any further misbehavior by S:reu Tzaracomprada must not be tolerated by the administrators of Wittenberg and the Chancery.

Similarly, anyone else acting in such a way must meet firm consequences in a timely manner.  We encourage the administrator(s) of Wittenberg to be more proactive in general in their efforts to curtail personal or sexual harassment by other citizens.  Heated debate is wonderful, sharp words might be necessary, but persistent and unapologetic harassment needs to be addressed.

The Chancery is hereby further encouraged to appoint an official to whom this power is delegated, considering that the Secretary of State might feel conflicted if they are the personally the target of harassment.

No one deserves to be treated this way.

Uréu q'estadra så:
Baron Alexandreu Davinescu (MC-PROG)
Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC (MC-AVANT)

I would love to add as many co-sponsors as possible to this bill.  Please just let me know if you want to join.

Thank you, and I mean it.

I have, I hope understandably, been reluctant to speak publicly about the incident that sparked all this. I was deeply disgusted by it, and remain disgusted about the numerous efforts at deflection, gaslighting, whataboutism, the lack of any sort of apology or self reflection. It's disheartening, but I am relieved to see Talossa at large will not stand for harassment and I hope nobody will have to endure what I did ever again. I urge all MZs to vote for this resolution, and pledge to comply with the Ziu's wishes should it pass.

So thank you again, for the leadership you have shown, for the support you have given me in public and private, for giving me a voice when mine wasn't working so well.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Yesterday at 11:31:58 AMThank you, and I mean it.

I have, I hope understandably, been reluctant to speak publicly about the incident that sparked all this. I was deeply disgusted by it, and remain disgusted about the numerous efforts at deflection, gaslighting, whataboutism, the lack of any sort of apology or self reflection. It's disheartening, but I am relieved to see Talossa at large will not stand for harassment and I hope nobody will have to endure what I did ever again. I urge all MZs to vote for this resolution, and pledge to comply with the Ziu's wishes should it pass.

So thank you again, for the leadership you have shown, for the support you have given me in public and private, for giving me a voice when mine wasn't working so well.

I am sincerely glad you've found your voice, Luc, and spoken publicly on this matter but I again reject the mischaracterization of my words or actions as deflection, gaslighting, or whataboutism. And while I've never complimented someone with malicious intent (including the instances being referenced here) it does seem that you and others are committed to seeing it that way. For any discomfort I have caused you, whether it was intended or not, I apologize. As you have stated above the impact on you has been negative so intent is irrelevant.

I have said before I am someone who compliments people with ease but I need to remember not everyone will receive it the same way or in the way it was intended. I view being a "hype-man" who builds people up as a positive and therefore prioritized being true to myself, as I will always strive to tell people something positive about themselves when I see it, but recognize especially when it comes to appearances that no one owes me reciprocity or to see it that way themselves.

That would be believable if you had said something ONCE and then stopped after you were informed of how it was being taken.

It's not believable now because you said the exact same things over and over AFTER you knew full well everyone hated it.

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on Yesterday at 12:59:10 PMThat would be believable if you had said something ONCE and then stopped after you were informed and of how it was being taken.

It's not believable now because you said the exact same things over and over AFTER you knew full well everyone hated it.

Yes, informed by Luc which just happened, Ian.

That is utter nonsense

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on Yesterday at 01:02:16 PMThat is utter nonsense

Take it for what you will. First steps toward decency have to start with the first step. Whether you decide to walk it as well is up to each of you. I apologized publicly to Luc on his speaking publicly on the effect it had on him. I don't expect it to be immediately accepted or recognized which goes back to not expecting reciprocity for what one believes to be a positive action.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Yesterday at 11:31:58 AMThank you, and I mean it.

I have, I hope understandably, been reluctant to speak publicly about the incident that sparked all this. I was deeply disgusted by it, and remain disgusted about the numerous efforts at deflection, gaslighting, whataboutism, the lack of any sort of apology or self reflection. It's disheartening, but I am relieved to see Talossa at large will not stand for harassment and I hope nobody will have to endure what I did ever again. I urge all MZs to vote for this resolution, and pledge to comply with the Ziu's wishes should it pass.

So thank you again, for the leadership you have shown, for the support you have given me in public and private, for giving me a voice when mine wasn't working so well.

We are sorry you had to go through that. I am hopeful that this resolution will pass with wide support, to show you that we are not going to allow this kind of behavior. It's clear that Breneir won't stop unless we make him stop.

Please Clark this.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 01:19:08 PMWe are sorry you had to go through that. I am hopeful that this resolution will pass with wide support, to show you that we are not going to allow this kind of behavior. It's clear that Breneir won't stop unless we make him stop.

100% agreed. The big problem is - as is apparent by this very thread - that I don't think this SotZ will make Breneir stop. He seems impervious to shame, and I seem to recall a past conversation in which he told me that he prides himself on never, ever backing down on anything.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:00:08 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 01:19:08 PMWe are sorry you had to go through that. I am hopeful that this resolution will pass with wide support, to show you that we are not going to allow this kind of behavior. It's clear that Breneir won't stop unless we make him stop.

100% agreed. The big problem is - as is apparent by this very thread - that I don't think this SotZ will make Breneir stop. He seems impervious to shame, and I seem to recall a past conversation in which he told me that he prides himself on never, ever backing down on anything.

Your rough music now includes lies in its lyrics?

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:00:08 PMI seem to recall a past conversation in which he told me that he prides himself on never, ever backing down on anything.

Ah, I've found the reference. His precise words were "a zero-tolerance approach to threats and intimidation", and I'll admit that my memory made that sound worse than it actually was.

But in looking that up, the context was the breakdown of the 57th Cosa coalition, and in this text, Brenéir was stating that he couldn't rejoin the coalition with Txoteu Davinescu "without (Txoteu) acknowledging what he had actually done which would be the core of a restorative apology."

Let's repeat that for emphasis

Quotewithout acknowledging what he had actually done which would be the core of a restorative apology.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:24:38 PM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 05:00:08 PMI seem to recall a past conversation in which he told me that he prides himself on never, ever backing down on anything.

Ah, I've found the reference. His precise words were "a zero-tolerance approach to threats and intimidation", and I'll admit that my memory made that sound worse than it actually was.

But in looking that up, the context was the breakdown of the 57th Cosa coalition, and in this text, Brenéir was stating that he couldn't rejoin the coalition with Txoteu Davinescu "without (Txoteu) acknowledging what he had actually done which would be the core of a restorative apology."

Let's repeat that for emphasis

Quotewithout acknowledging what he had actually done which would be the core of a restorative apology.

Thank you for bringing that forward and acknowledging that your memory was faulty there, Miestra.
I have acknowledged that what I said made Luc uncomfortable and caused harm. I then apologized to him. If you want me to agree with your assertion that what I did was equal to sexual harassment I can't do that as I don't think that's what happened.