I've been reviewing the Library of Talossa for a legislative idea and it led to a question.
@GV you might have an answer to this one. What is the policy for inclusion of materials in the Library? Is it any item produced by a Talossan is eligible for inclusion? If that is the case, then perhaps we might have some kind of drive to compile additional items as I think we have several authors, including the King, whose works I do not see in the Library.
I have a book of poems I'd like to include if it is for works created by Talossans.
As a citizen, your question about the Talossa Library and the inclusion of works by Talossans is, in my opinion, extremely important and very pertinent. It's a topic that touches directly on the preservation of our country's culture and identity.
The idea that 'any item produced by a Talossan is eligible for inclusion' is fantastic and fundamental. A library is not just a repository of books; it is a mirror of a nation's soul, a living archive of its creations, thoughts and aspirations. By opening the door to all the works created by our citizens, we are valuing and recognising individual talent, contributing to a richer and more diverse cultural panorama.
Your observation that 'we have several authors, including the King, whose works I don't see in the Library' is a crucial point. This suggests that there is untapped potential to significantly enrich the Library's collection. An initiative to compile and encourage the submission of more materials would be a laudable endeavour. It would be a way of strengthening our collective memory and cultural heritage.
And of course, your own book of poems is a perfect example of the kind of valuable contribution that can and should be included. It's through gestures like yours that the Library will grow and become an even more complete and representative resource.
In short, the issue you have raised is vital to the cultural vitality of Talossa. It is something that, as a citizen, I strongly encourage and view with great enthusiasm.
There is no policy, beyond what GV and I have thought was notable. Generally speaking, I prefer only to add things that we have hosted on the wiki, but GV has also added things that he has in his personal possession. I didn't want to cause conflict by just deleting all of them, but personally I don't see much use in that... no one can read those things, so they're not part of the library, really.
If you'd like to add things, please look at the manner in which existing items are hosted and copy it, with the appropriate templates and linking.
Quote from: leo.miguel.marques on July 09, 2025, 10:39:26 AMAs a citizen,
Are you a citizen, Leo? I thought you weren't yet a citizen. Is ChatGPT a citizen?
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 10:47:53 AMAre you a citizen, Leo? I thought you weren't yet a citizen. Is ChatGPT a citizen?
Baron Alexandreu Davinescu
I'm not a citizen yet. I'm in the future or potential state. It was a mere oversight on my part in several situations to put "citizen" instead of "future citizen".
Answering your second question, no, but who told you that my opinion was fabricated by ChatGpt.
As far as I can remember, freedom of expression still exists within certain limits in this nation.
We have pretty wide freedom of expression, and there's no law against using an LLM to generate your responses. However, they usually make mistakes (like just now). And while they might have very long responses that look impressive, they're not really you.
We'd love to talk with you directly, instead, even if your English isn't perfect. :)
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 10:47:03 AMIf you'd like to add things, please look at the manner in which existing items are hosted and copy it, with the appropriate templates and linking.
Will do, I'd love it if we did gather more works from Talossans. I am hoping to work with someone for a translation of Andy Weir's The Egg story on Fora Talossa. And the Library of Talossa led me to that.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 11:02:07 AMWe have pretty wide freedom of expression, and there's no law against using an LLM to generate your responses. However, they usually make mistakes (like just now). And while they might have very long responses that look impressive, they're not really you.
We'd love to talk with you directly, instead, even if your English isn't perfect. :)
Ok! I'm not going to feed this subject any more. Given that I am being conditioned in my opinions or responses to certain issues.
Even if it doesn't look like it directly, I understood the rhetoric that the Baron wanted to use or say
Quote from: leo.miguel.marques on July 09, 2025, 11:10:28 AMOk! I'm not going to feed this subject any more. Given that I am being conditioned in my opinions or responses to certain issues.
Even if it doesn't look like it directly, I understood the rhetoric that the Baron wanted to use or say
What are you talking about?
AD is right. There has never been a full policy regarding inclusion in the Library of Talossa save what AD & I thought was "notable".
- GV, Royal Archivist
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 09, 2025, 11:26:44 AMWhat are you talking about?
Any immigration procedure that doesn't *exclude* the use of ChatGPT (not necessarily before application, but definitely before citizenship) is going to lead to things like this.
I mean, there's a difference with a citizen or a prospective using Google Translate; it might sound a bit "fake" but there's a real person behind it.
I guess I don't 100% understand what that could look like. Isn't the remedy exactly what happened: a citizen telling them that we'd rather hear from them personally, and then (if they keep it up) no two people petitioning for them?
I always assumed that the time they spend with us before a petition was meaningful: get to know them a little as a person, understand some of what their behaviors are and how they speak, and then either admit them into our community or decline to do so.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 06:17:49 PMI guess I don't 100% understand what that could look like. Isn't the remedy exactly what happened: a citizen telling them that we'd rather hear from them personally, and then (if they keep it up) no two people petitioning for them?
I always assumed that the time they spend with us before a petition was meaningful: get to know them a little as a person, understand some of what their behaviors are and how they speak, and then either admit them into our community or decline to do so.
I mean, if we dont filter GPT users beforehand, that means they can spam Witt for two weeks and worsen the experience for everyone else. There's gotta be a better way than this.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 09, 2025, 06:20:28 PMI mean, if we dont filter GPT users beforehand, that means they can spam Witt for two weeks and worsen the experience for everyone else. There's gotta be a better way than this.
But this has barely been a problem... one guy has posted several posts.
I think there's certainly things we can and should do, but I just don't know that we need any laws. I mean, the Government could pretty easily give an explicit warning not to use AI. I'd be happy to write it. We need a toes-to-toupee review of the immigration process already to try to deal with the current crisis, and our onboarding of prospective immigrants should be included.
It could look like this, as part of the standard introduction on Witt:
BE ADVISED: You should not use any LLM or AI to help you communicate. We want to hear from you, not a computer.
If you use ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Grok, DeepSeek, or another AI to write your posts, you will probably not be admitted to the Kingdom of Talossa.
I just think our first instinct to an approaching problem shouldn't be a law, but... like, let's just try telling people.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 06:27:22 PMBut this has barely been a problem... one guy has posted several posts.
Do you want to keep the floodgates open and wait until we're inundated with the stuff?
I don't think simply asking people politely to stop is enough. It still means that people are free to ignore it and spam Witt for two weeks until they get terminated.
By that point it's already too late.I have a separate rant on the way the immigration problem is being addressed currently but I might save that for a later post.
Why do you think it wouldn't work to just ask? It seems like Leo here was pretty embarrassed and quit as soon as he was called out.
I'm a little skeptical that we need to escalate so fast. I guess I'm open to the idea, although I have no idea how you could write such a law.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on July 09, 2025, 06:39:23 PMIt still means that people are free to ignore it and spam Witt for two weeks until they get terminated. By that point it's already too late.
Doesn't the MinImm have a pretty free hand to discontinue applications (Lexh.E.5)? They could do it in that circumstance pretty easily, I think.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on July 09, 2025, 06:48:38 PMDoesn't the MinImm have a pretty free hand to discontinue applications (Lexh.E.5)?
Let me get this straight. You would
support me just deep-sixing a prospective citizen on my own initiative; but you're allergic to the idea of
pre-screening immigration applications.
Yes, I would hope you would exercise that power whenever it was necessary. Someone who starts posting a ton of spammy things from AI and ignores a warning, or someone who is abusive to others, or the like. Stepping in to stop misdeeds is very different from the secret pre-screening power you initially proposed.
It's sort of like how I approve of police officers stopping someone from shoplifting, but I'd oppose them pre-screening shoppers before entry into a store.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 09, 2025, 11:05:43 AMWill do, I'd love it if we did gather more works from Talossans. I am hoping to work with someone for a translation of Andy Weir's The Egg story on Fora Talossa. And the Library of Talossa led me to that.
Back to the original topic of this thread. Does anyone have works which they'd like me to add to the catalog? I'll follow the scheme set by GV and the Baron.
@King Txec @Iason TaiwosI'm going to search for some of the late Ian Tamoran's works and add any that are not already there.
It may just be a misinterpretation on my part, but I don't understand why you're treating me like a criminal when I haven't committed any offence.
There is no law in Talossa prohibiting the use of AI. Also, as I intend to have my citizenship application approved, I won't dare use AI here again.
I have a translation of Silent Night by Iustì.
Quote from: Leonardo Miguel Carvalho Marques on Yesterday at 08:36:48 AMIt may just be a misinterpretation on my part, but I don't understand why you're treating me like a criminal when I haven't committed any offence.
There is no law in Talossa prohibiting the use of AI. Also, as I intend to have my citizenship application approved, I won't dare use AI here again.
I don't think anyone is trying to treat you like a criminal. But just because something isn't technically illegal doesn't always mean it's the right approach.
The citizenship process is about genuine, personal engagement, and part of that is letting people get to know
you (your own thoughts, ideas, and personality), not the output of ChatGPT or any AI.
We really appreciate your understanding and your willingness to respect that spirit going forward. We're looking forward to getting to know the real you!
Quote from: Baroness Litz Cjantscheir, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 09:28:04 AMI don't think anyone is trying to treat you like a criminal. But just because something isn't technically illegal doesn't always mean it's the right approach.
The citizenship process is about genuine, personal engagement, and part of that is letting people get to know you (your own thoughts, ideas, and personality), not the output of ChatGPT or any AI.
We really appreciate your understanding and your willingness to respect that spirit going forward. We're looking forward to getting to know the real you!
I agree that it's not the right approach. So from now on I'm going to respect that orientation
None of my works are in the public domain< and while I own the copyrights etc., I sell the books for profit. If listing my works meant the actual text, I would not be willing to do that.
-Txec R
Quote from: Leonardo Miguel Carvalho Marques on Yesterday at 09:30:39 AMI agree that it's not the right approach. So from now on I'm going to respect that orientation
Awesome!
Do you have a favorite poem or short story? Maybe there's a Talossan version in our library!
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 10:18:00 AMAwesome!
Do you have a favorite poem or short story? Maybe there's a Talossan version in our library!
Yes
Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 09:57:41 AMNone of my works are in the public domain< and while I own the copyrights etc., I sell the books for profit. If listing my works meant the actual text, I would not be willing to do that.
-Txec R
No, not the actual text. Just the titles, author name. I would also include a link to where folks can actually access the book. So it could be a way to direct people to purchase your book.
Quote from: Leonardo Miguel Carvalho Marques on Yesterday at 10:50:37 AMYes
Leo, please check out the Library here (https://wiki.talossa.com/TalossaWiki:Library). And let us know if you have some writings that might be added once you are officially Talossan.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on July 09, 2025, 11:05:43 AMWill do, I'd love it if we did gather more works from Talossans. I am hoping to work with someone for a translation of Andy Weir's The Egg story on Fora Talossa. And the Library of Talossa led me to that.
Just remembered this, and not sure if I'm misreading, but Iac translated "The Egg" years ago: https://wiki.talossa.com/L%27Uol
So if you wanted it, there it is.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 12:31:32 PMJust remembered this, and not sure if I'm misreading, but Iac translated "The Egg" years ago: https://wiki.talossa.com/L%27Uol
So if you wanted it, there it is.
Thanks Baron, that is what I am hoping to work with Iac on. Hoping to get an audio recording of him reading it in Talossan with English subtitles. It would be an entry in the culture video series, Currents, on Fora Talossa.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Yesterday at 01:22:34 PMThanks Baron, that is what I am hoping to work with Iac on. Hoping to get an audio recording of him reading it in Talossan with English subtitles. It would be an entry in the culture video series, Currents, on Fora Talossa.
Oh, I get it, sorry. I thought it was funny you wanted that specific story and that it had already been translated, but I see I misunderstood.
Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 09:57:41 AMNone of my works are in the public domain< and while I own the copyrights etc., I sell the books for profit. If listing my works meant the actual text, I would not be willing to do that.
-Txec R
Are you willing to share the titles and links for your works? There would be no sharing of actual text and it might increase the discovery of your works. It is also a nice symbolic gesture to have royal works in the Library.
Yes I will work on that this weekend.
-Txec R
Quote from: King Txec on Today at 06:30:51 PMYes I will work on that this weekend.
-Txec R
Fantastic, thanks Your Majesty.
Perhaps the works of departed citizens could also be included for a bibliography section
Unremembered Future (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1999722647/?coliid=I1007M2QQR1X0Y&colid=2JT8DHAZMV2KU&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it)
by Ián Tamorán (Ian Kelly)