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Title: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 21, 2025, 11:07:13 PM
So once again for everyone's information, here is the draft Constitution which was endorsed by the final conventions of the Free Democrats and the PdR:

Constituziun dal Uniun dels Reformistaes Livereschti

The Uniun dels Reformistaes Livereschti (Free Reformists' Union), a political party in the Kingdom of Talossa, adopts this Constituziun as the basis for our Party's internal governance.

ARTICLE I. MEMBERSHIP
A. Membership in the URL shall be open to all Talossan citizens in good standing who are not already members of another political party, who agree to abide by this Constituziun and Party policy, and who endorse the Party's platform. However, the right of any Party member in good standing to seek changes to this Constitution or other Party policy in accordance with this Constitution shall never be infringed.
B. Application to the Presedint or Secretar shall be considered sufficient application for Party membership.
C. Prospective members shall provide contact information as reasonably requested by the Presedint or Secretar in order to ensure they may be reached. This information shall be kept secure and confidential, and is only to be used by Party leadership for official Party business.
D. The Secretar shall be entitled, no more than once a year, to conduct a Census of all Party members to ensure they wish to maintain Party membership and to confirm their contact information is up to date. A Party member who does not reply to this Census within 30 days shall be deemed to have offered their resignation, which shall be accepted at the discretion of the Secretar.
E. A three-fifths vote of Party membership, held on a secret ballot, may pass a motion to censure another member, temporarily revoking their good standing with the Party. This may be proposed due to violations of this Constituziun, publicly voting for or joining another nationally-registered party, or bringing the Party into disrepute in some specified manner. The member in question shall not be permitted to cast a vote on such a motion.
F. A two-thirds vote of Party membership, held on a secret ballot, may pass a motion to expel members from the Party for violations of Organic Law or other Talossan statute law, as well as gross violations of general standards of decorum. The member in question shall not be permitted to cast a vote on such a motion.

ARTICLE II. LEADERSHIP
A. The Party shall elect from its membership the Comità Esecutorxheu (Executive Committee), to serve as the Party's governing body.
B. Members of the Comità Esecutorxheu (including Fosteglhen Provinciais), the Presedint, and the Secretar shall be elected at each Convention, regular or Extraordinary. The term of office of all incumbents ends with the election of their successor.
C. Fourteen days' notice should be given prior to leadership elections being held on the forum used for conducting Party business, and the floor shall be considered open to nominations when this notice is given.
D. There is no limit on the number of terms one may serve in any position.

ARTICLE III. BUSINESS
A. The Party shall hold a yearly Convention, to take place at membership's earliest convenience in the period from December to March, inclusive. At the petition of two-thirds of Party members, or a majority of the Comità Esecutorxheu, an Extraordinary Convention may be called outside this period, though no more than one Extraordinary Convention may be called between the regularly-scheduled Convention.
B. In addition to elections to Party leadership positions, each Convention shall also be open to amendments to this Constituziun as well as any other Party policy.
C. All motions must receive a second before proceeding to debate. All motions shall be subject to a debate period of forty-eight hours, following which voting shall run for seventy-two hours.
D. Amendments to this Constituziun shall pass by a two-thirds majority; all other changes to Party policies shall pass by simple majority.
E. Only members in good standing (i.e. those not currently censured) are permitted to vote on any motion or in an election for any position within the Party.
F. Party members are free to organize themselves into caucuses within the Party. Caucuses shall annually provide to the Secretar a point of contact, a statement of the caucus' purpose, and an organizing document. The Secretar shall keep a list of all registered caucuses.
G. For the purposes of this section, the "Caucus" comprises all Senators and MCs who are members of the Party.
I. In cases of emergency such as by-elections, resignations or impending deadlines, such that no time is left to conduct a vote as above, the Presedint may amend the Cosӑ list, and a Fosteglhӑ Provincial may nominate a Senäts candidate.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 21, 2025, 11:07:54 PM
And we already have a proposed amendment on the table, from @mpf:

Quote from: mpf on July 09, 2025, 06:30:44 AMI personally think that Senats candidates should be selected as follows, if there is more than one candidate:

50% of the vote is by members of the party within the province, and 50% of the vote is from members outside of the province.

Senators represent a province, sure, but they are also important safeguards for the Cosa.

Let's say that there are 3 members of the party in the province, and two of them are in a sort of fringe sub-branch. They propose one of them, while the party backs another.

They would get 2/3 in the province, which is 67%, but the rest of the party all vote for the other member (who has 1/3).

2/3 + 0   = 33.5% of the total vote
1/3 + 100 = 66.5% of the total vote.

The province still has a say, they are 50% of the vote, but that way, the party can make sure that the backed senate candidates trully represent the party.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 22, 2025, 11:53:16 AM
I would offer a counter-proposal: the party could simply endorse *all* URL-affiliated candidates in a Senats election, and suggest that voters rank the slate of them above all others in the (internal) order of their choosing. Effectively treats the election as a blanket primary.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 22, 2025, 05:20:47 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 22, 2025, 11:53:16 AMI would offer a counter-proposal: the party could simply endorse *all* URL-affiliated candidates in a Senats election, and suggest that voters rank the slate of them above all others in the (internal) order of their choosing. Effectively treats the election as a blanket primary.

Hmmm, but in that case you would also want a provision that multiple Union candidates would *have* to cross-endorse
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 22, 2025, 05:35:35 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 22, 2025, 05:20:47 PMHmmm, but in that case you would also want a provision that multiple Union candidates would *have* to cross-endorse
You're saying they would be required to endorse each other? I don't see why, the party is the one making the endorsement.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 22, 2025, 06:01:32 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 22, 2025, 05:35:35 PMYou're saying they would be required to endorse each other? I don't see why, the party is the one making the endorsement.

Because the spectacle of two URL candidates beating the shit out of each other in a Senäts race would be unedifying.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 22, 2025, 06:47:53 PM
Fair. Basically, what you'r saying is, change III.H to say something along the lines of "the party endorses all of you, as long as you all agree to endorse each other as alternates."
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 27, 2025, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 22, 2025, 05:20:47 PMHmmm, but in that case you would also want a provision that multiple Union candidates would *have* to cross-endorse

Alright, to put this into formal terms: I (pending feedback on this motion) move that Article III, Section H of the Party Constituziun be replaced in its entirety with the following:
QuoteH. Party-affiliated candidates in Senäts elections shall be endorsed by the Party on the condition that they agree to endorse all other party-affiliated candidates in that same election. Any candidates who agree to this condition and fulfill it shall receive endorsement from the Party en masse, with the recommendation that they be ranked above any other candidates in an internal order of the voter's choosing.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 30, 2025, 04:44:01 PM
Do we want to add it as a formal provision that the Convention chooses the nomination for Seneschal for the coming election? The problem being that there's more than one Convention a year. Unless we want to have more frequent conventions, eg. one per Cosa term.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 30, 2025, 05:45:46 PM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 30, 2025, 04:44:01 PMDo we want to add it as a formal provision that the Convention chooses the nomination for Seneschal for the coming election? The problem being that there's more than one Convention a year. Unless we want to have more frequent conventions, eg. one per Cosa term.

May not be a bad idea. If nothing else, if we need to declare extraordinary conventions, we can, or have a provision allowing for Seneschal candidates to be chosen outside of conventions.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 31, 2025, 04:22:44 PM
Right. Then my suggested amendment is to change Section 3-A to read:

QuoteA. The Party shall hold a yearly Convention, to take place at membership's earliest convenience in the period from December to March, inclusive during the Third Clark of each Cosa term. At the petition of two-thirds of Party members, or a majority of the Comità Esecutorxheu, an Extraordinary Convention may be called outside this period or the scheduled convention may be delayed to no later than the Sixth Clark, though no more than one Extraordinary Convention may be called between the regularly-scheduled Convention. in each Cosa term.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 31, 2025, 04:47:48 PM
Okay, and here's a suggestion for a Section II-E

QuoteThe Convention may also nominate by simple majority a candidate for Seneschal. When drawing up the list of Cosa candidates under Section II.A.8, the Comità shall rank this person first.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 31, 2025, 05:35:41 PM
I think both of those look good.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 03, 2025, 04:19:30 PM
Right. We therefore have THREE amendments to vote on.

I'll give 24 hours to suggest any more, before going on to the 72 hour voting period.

AMENDMENT ONE

Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be on July 27, 2025, 05:42:02 PMthat Article III, Section H of the Party Constituziun be replaced in its entirety with the following:
QuoteH. Party-affiliated candidates in Senäts elections shall be endorsed by the Party on the condition that they agree to endorse all other party-affiliated candidates in that same election. Any candidates who agree to this condition and fulfill it shall receive endorsement from the Party en masse, with the recommendation that they be ranked above any other candidates in an internal order of the voter's choosing.

AMENDMENT TWO
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 31, 2025, 04:22:44 PMto change Section 3-A to read:

QuoteA. The Party shall hold a yearly Convention, to take place at membership's earliest convenience in the period from December to March, inclusive during the Third Clark of each Cosa term. At the petition of two-thirds of Party members, or a majority of the Comità Esecutorxheu, an Extraordinary Convention may be called outside this period or the scheduled convention may be delayed to no later than the Sixth Clark, though no more than one Extraordinary Convention may be called between the regularly-scheduled Convention. in each Cosa term.

AMENDMENT THREE

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on July 31, 2025, 04:47:48 PMa suggestion for a Section II-E

QuoteThe Convention may also nominate by simple majority a candidate for Seneschal. When drawing up the list of Cosa candidates under Section II.A.8, the Comità shall rank this person first.


Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 05, 2025, 12:13:41 AM
VOTING IS NOW OPEN on the above three amendments FOR 72 HOURS
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: GV on August 05, 2025, 07:55:16 AM
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 05, 2025, 12:13:41 AMVOTING IS NOW OPEN on the above three amendments FOR 72 HOURS

Për to all three - GV
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on August 05, 2025, 10:07:09 AM
Për on all.
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 06, 2025, 04:40:09 PM
Për on all
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Antaglha Xhenerös Somelieir on August 07, 2025, 05:53:13 PM
Për on all
Title: Re: [URL Convention] Debate on the Constitution
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 08, 2025, 12:50:26 AM
All three amendments to the Constitution PASS unanimously.