WHEREAS it has been more than a fortnight since
@Julian Da Silva first posted on Wittenberg, following his introduction to the citizens of the Kingdom by officers of the Immigration Ministry, and
WHEREAS he has, in that time, demonstrated an active, genuine, and continuing interest in Talossan life, language and culture, and
WHEREAS he desires citizenship in the Kingdom of Talossa, and
WHEREAS by all indications it appears that he would be a loyal and dedicated citizen, and a credit to this nation if he obtains the grant of citizenship he requests,
THEREFORE I, Breneir Tzaracomprada, a citizen of good standing of the best province of Florencia and of the Kingdom of Talossa, do hereby petition the Secretary of State
@Sir Lüc to issue a grant of citizenship to Prospective Citizen Julian Da Silva, as specified by law.
Mick!
What happened with this petition?
@Sir Lüc @Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC
Not sure what you're referring to. As with any other petition, it needs two Micks and MinImm certification before I can act on it.
Quote from: Sir Lüc on August 24, 2025, 05:15:15 AMNot sure what you're referring to. As with any other petition, it needs two Micks and MinImm certification before I can act on it.
I wasn't aware of it needing two micks (thought it was one) but thank you for confirming that the certification has not happened. That's why I tagged the Minister of Immigration. It's been a few days so I was surprised the latter had not happened.
This immigrant made two posts total. One was in reply to asking if they were still interested, so essentially only one post was made of their own initiative. Do we seriously believe, as stated in the petition, that this immigrant has "demonstrated an active, genuine, and continuing interest in Talossan life, language and culture?" I think not.
-Txec R
@Julian Da Silva you mentioned that you are still interested in becoming a Talossan after asked by the Immigration Minister. The King of Talossa appears skeptical. Are you still interested in becoming a Talossan?
Quote from: Sir Lüc on August 24, 2025, 05:15:15 AMNot sure what you're referring to. As with any other petition, it needs two Micks and MinImm certification before I can act on it.
One Mick (E.7). And the new law removed the need for certification.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 03:35:50 PMOne Mick (E.7). And the new law removed the need for certification.
Thanks for clarifying Miestra.
The petition was posted when the old law was still in effect, though.
Quote from: Sir Lüc on August 24, 2025, 04:02:53 PMThe petition was posted when the old law was still in effect, though.
Can I have a call from
@the Attorney General whether I have to abide by a now-repealed law because the process began under the old law? I never used that power before it was repealed, but I'm tempted to use it now just so we can establish this legal principle. Of course, I'll change my mind and grant certification if the prospective asks me to.
I'd also like input from His Maj
@King Txec about whether he thinks there should be more "objective standards" for new prospectives apart from "they posted once and two citizens want them in". Because I have been subject to a furious torrent of invective by the opposition for thinking that any quality control on immigration is appropriate.
I've always felt one or two posts does not show genuine interest in Talossa and we should not be petitioning for immigrants who do this. Stating they show a real and active interest in Talossa in a petition to the Chancery is not genuine and makes me wonder why we would want to inflate our citizenship rolls with someone who will likely not participate and will eventually just strike out. Is it for new voters or is it genuine? I wonder.
-Txec R
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 09, 2025, 08:30:48 PMAzul Julian, are you still interested in becoming a Talossan?
Quote from: Julian Da Silva on August 17, 2025, 07:48:44 PMAzul, yes, i'm still interested to become a Talossan.
Sorry guys, no conspiracy to gather new voters intended. I acted after the potential new citizen himself responded to a query by the Minister of Immigration.
I did tag Julian in an earlier post as encouragement to reaffirm his interest. Look forward to hearing what the A-X says on the certification.
Quote from: King Txec on August 24, 2025, 06:21:21 PMI've always felt one or two posts does not show genuine interest in Talossa and we should not be petitioning for immigrants who do this. Stating they show a real and active interest in Talossa in a petition to the Chancery is not genuine and makes me wonder why we would want to inflate our citizenship rolls with someone who will likely not participate and will eventually just strike out. Is it for new voters or is it genuine? I wonder.
-Txec R
I would also be interested in your answer to Miestra's query concerning more "objective standards." This might be something to be discussed in the Royal Commission?
Back when I immigrated, the minimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts, i.e. one post every other day for 2 weeks. It's interesting, if nothing else, to see how conceptual standards have changed in the last 10 years.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 24, 2025, 06:46:24 PMminimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts,
Excellent, thanks Marcel, we now have hard data rather than wonderings.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 24, 2025, 06:46:24 PMBack when I immigrated, the minimum post threshold for active interest hovered somewhere around 7 posts, i.e. one post every other day for 2 weeks. It's interesting, if nothing else, to see how conceptual standards have changed in the last 10 years.
I may not have been paying attention, but way-back-when I don't think anyone was actually *rejected* from citizenship for not being active enough, that everyone who said "yeah I'm still keen" was let in. If that's true, it would be less a quality control issue than a "Talossan life is no longer engaging enough for prospectives". What do you think?
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 06:53:05 PMI may not have been paying attention, but way-back-when I don't think anyone was actually *rejected* from citizenship for not being active enough, that everyone who said "yeah I'm still keen" was let in. If that's true, it would be less a quality control issue than a "Talossan life is no longer engaging enough for prospectives". What do you think?
Right, I was more so saying that there was some grumbling when someone with 7 posts in two weeks were let in, but no outward rejection. I don't remember anyone ever testing the lower limit any further because usually, people who didnt post enough would just not get petitioned for, and that would be the end of it.
Lack of engagement would make sense as an explanation, though from my perspective that's not really anything new.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on August 24, 2025, 06:57:15 PMRight, I was more so saying that there was some grumbling when someone with 7 posts in two weeks were let in, but no outward rejection. I don't remember anyone ever testing the lower limit any further because usually, people who didnt post enough would just not get petitioned for, and that would be the end of it.
Lack of engagement would make sense as an explanation, though from my perspective that's not really anything new.
That is more or less my point. Lack of engagement should be enough to not get a petition. Merely having a pulse shouldn't be enough.
-Txec R
The King's objection to recruiting people who don't show real interest in Talossa simply as voting fodder is a real one which I share. But assuming that people will do that because it's in their party's best interests, what are you going to do to stop them? If these people are clearly devoid of shame, asking them nicely will only make them do the thing harder. You could bring in a higher bar of activity by legislation, and that will just drive the *other* opposition party absolutely bonkers.
The Government feels in a no-win situation here, and we would rather not allow the opposition parties to beat us up for anything that could be said to halt immigration. The stakes are lower for state officials who don't have an election coming up lol. Best for us to try to improve the cultural factors to encourage prospectives to take more interest (like, for example, stronger social sanctions on creepy sex pests).
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 07:09:51 PMThe King's objection to recruiting people who don't show real interest in Talossa simply as voting fodder is a real one which I share. But assuming that people will do that because it's in their party's best interests, what are you going to do to stop them? If these people are clearly devoid of shame, asking them nicely will only make them do the thing harder. You could bring in a higher bar of activity by legislation, and that will just drive the *other* opposition party absolutely bonkers.
The Government feels in a no-win situation here, and we would rather not allow the opposition parties to beat us up for anything that could be said to halt immigration. The stakes are lower for state officials who don't have an election coming up lol. Best for us to try to improve the cultural factors to encourage prospectives to take more interest (like, for example, stronger social sanctions on creepy sex pests).
When we find the sex pest please let me know, is it Carlus (the FreeDem) or Iusti (the RUMPER) you are referring to?...I would also support stronger social sanctions against those who engage in rough music.
In case our new friend
@Julian Da Silva is wondering who is the creepy sex pest here, it was Brenéir Tzaracomprada, and an unopposed vote of the Ziu condemned him as such. (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency)
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 07:28:24 PMIn case our new friend @Julian Da Silva is wondering who is the creepy sex pest here, it was Brenéir Tzaracomprada, and an unopposed vote of the Ziu condemned him as such. (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency)
Julian, I complimented the Secretary of State which has somehow become an allegation that he was sexually harassed. It has been an embarassing political project conducted by usually intelligent and reasonable people. But their grudges have gotten the best of them which happens to the best of us.
Btw, if you need examples of a real sex pest, you can review a news articles of a former ally of Miestra's, Carlus Xheralterescu here: https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/courts/former-aberystwyth-mayor-avoids-jail-for-sex-acts-with-student-609195 He was also involved in the Republic with Miestra before her arrival here. Miestra knows better because she has paled around with one.
And if you want to see examples of our Seneschal providing rough music and revelling in causing mental harm then here you go. The bill includes quotes that don't need context: https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ17_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_Moving_Forward_Without_Rough_Music
What's funny here is that, when I mentioned creepy sex pests, a hit dog hollered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism).
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 07:36:17 PMWhat's funny here is that, when I mentioned creepy sex pests, a hit dog hollered.
What's funny is that you have repeatedly referred to me by that term and several others all while claiming you are fighting for a non-toxic environment. In the meantime, I will keep reminding people that you know what a real sex pest is because you were closely aligned with one. And that you engaged in the harassment you continue to accuse others of.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 24, 2025, 05:57:28 PMCan I have a call from @the Attorney General whether I have to abide by a now-repealed law because the process began under the old law? I never used that power before it was repealed, but I'm tempted to use it now just so we can establish this legal principle. Of course, I'll change my mind and grant certification if the prospective asks me to.
I'd also like input from His Maj @King Txec about whether he thinks there should be more "objective standards" for new prospectives apart from "they posted once and two citizens want them in". Because I have been subject to a furious torrent of invective by the opposition for thinking that any quality control on immigration is appropriate.
Unfortunately the timing of the original petition being submitted prior to a change in law means it will need to be reviewed under existing law at the time of the petition.
Fine.
@Julian Da Silva if you're reading this, let me know if you still want to be a Talossan, and I'll approve it.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on August 26, 2025, 03:16:39 PMFine. @Julian Da Silva if you're reading this, let me know if you still want to be a Talossan, and I'll approve it.
Hello again, just in case I need to justify my inactivity: I attend a technical school (known in my country for their workload and demands), so having double shifts almost every day (except Fridays), added to the fact that one of our relatives suffered an accident with possible risk of death, the truth is that I do want to be a citizen of Talossa but having several events in between I could only be active a couple of times, although I will try to be active at least once a week, thank you.
Quote from: Julian Da Silva on August 30, 2025, 02:01:57 PMHello again, just in case I need to justify my inactivity: I attend a technical school (known in my country for their workload and demands), so having double shifts almost every day (except Fridays), added to the fact that one of our relatives suffered an accident with possible risk of death, the truth is that I do want to be a citizen of Talossa but having several events in between I could only be active a couple of times, although I will try to be active at least once a week, thank you.
Hi Julian, glad you are still interested in becoming a citizen. Sending wishes for a rapid recovery to your relative. Please don't be alarmed by some of the comments by citizens questioning your activity levels especially since we have plenty of people who really just show up to vote unfortunately.
Certification granted
Oath sent over.