Wittenberg

Just so everyone knows, the Green Party leader is removing posts from their board which attempt to warn new citizens that the Green Party leader is a sexual harasser who was unanimously condemned by the Ziu and still thinks he did nothing wrong and he'll do it again (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency). Luckily he has no power over this board.

Yes, I did remove a post where you attempted to continue your campaign of harassment against me, Miestra. A campaign that has been ongoing for months. But I am still here and enjoying my time on Wittenberg and in Talossa and that is a victory of sorts.

I'll keep bopping.

Of course, this is the kind of thing I'm doing regularly, via DM, to anyone who seems interested; but that's not enough. That's just creating a "missing stair" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair) problem:

QuoteThe missing stair is a metaphor for a person within a social group or organization who many people know is untrustworthy or otherwise has to be "managed", but around whom the group chooses to work by discreetly warning newcomers of their behavior, rather than address the person and their behavior openly. The "missing stair" in the metaphor refers to a dangerous structural fault, such as a missing step in a staircase; a fault that people may become used to and quietly accepting of, that is not openly signposted or fixed, and that newcomers to a group or organization are warned about discreetly.

So regular, public callouts/reminders are in order.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on November 06, 2025, 02:35:03 PMSo regular, public callouts/reminders are in order.

It is called harassment. :(
Toxic and destructive harassment.

Well, if you're still enjoying your time on Wittenberg and in Talossa, I guess no harm, no foul. Right?

Another option would be: admit your misdeeds (as unanimously stated by the Ziu), give a proper apology to Lüc, and mind your behavior in future, and you no longer need to be something we need to warn newbies about.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on November 06, 2025, 02:55:01 PMWell, if you're still enjoying your time on Wittenberg and in Talossa, I guess no harm, no foul. Right?

Another option would be: admit your misdeeds (as unanimously stated by the Ziu), give a proper apology to Lüc, and mind your behavior in future, and you no longer need to be something we need to warn newbies about.

I am not concerned with what you think a "proper" apology is. I have apologized for the discomfort my compliments caused Luc and for over a year now have remained entirely professional with him. Again, if it gives you pleasure to bad-mouth and whisper about people then that is more about you, Miestra, not me. Wittenberg is awash with your statements and I tend to allow your behavior to speak for itself now.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 02:59:29 PMI am not concerned with what you think a "proper" apology is. I have apologized for the discomfort my compliments caused Luc and for over a year now

Well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way" is not an apology, and the fact that you still seem to think that your comments were appropriate and that it's everyone else who is doing you wrong and mischaracterising you doesn't help.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 06, 2025, 03:05:07 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 02:59:29 PMI am not concerned with what you think a "proper" apology is. I have apologized for the discomfort my compliments caused Luc and for over a year now

Well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way" is not an apology, and the fact that you still seem to think that your comments were appropriate and that it's everyone else who is doing you wrong and mischaracterising you doesn't help.

Let me cite the actual apology rather than your perception:

I am sincerely glad you've found your voice, Luc, and spoken publicly on this matter but I again reject the mischaracterization of my words or actions as deflection, gaslighting, or whataboutism. And while I've never complimented someone with malicious intent (including the instances being referenced here) it does seem that you and others are committed to seeing it that way. For any discomfort I have caused you, whether it was intended or not, I apologize. As you have stated above the impact on you has been negative so intent is irrelevant.

For any discomfort I caused you I apologize. This seems pretty clear.

As has been re-cited now, yes, I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc. And there have been no additional comments. What HAS been happening for months now are comments about me in public and in private as admitted by Miestra.

There is harassment ongoing now and it is not being conducted by me.

Well, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 06, 2025, 03:15:18 PMWell, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.

So, in the first half you now admit that I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc?

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 06, 2025, 03:15:18 PMWell, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.

So, in the first half you now admit that I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc?

Yes, that was what I was refering to by "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way". Not once did you actually apologise for what you said, but rather for how it came across. That is gross.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 06, 2025, 03:18:17 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 06, 2025, 03:15:18 PMWell, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.

So, in the first half you now admit that I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc?

Yes, that was what I was refering by "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way". Not once did you actually apologise for what you said, but rather for how they came across. That is gross.

I did apologize to Luc for the discomfort my words caused, Marcel. You acknowledge that.
You have an issue with me telling you that I am someone who compliments people and that is okay with me. You think that explanation is gross, okay.

But I am going to call out a continued campaign of harassment, now, against me. Which Miestra is currently leading.

I will be here, Marcel. And I will continue to be true to myself.

Yeah, no one buys that as an apology.  Most of your "apology" is just an announcement that you didn't do anything wrong, Brent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIzTmZal-3A).

It's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize.  To seem like you knew that you stepped over the line, when you kept on after someone else.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 06, 2025, 03:28:21 PMYeah, no one buys that as an apology.  Most of your "apology" is just an announcement that you didn't do anything wrong.

It's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize.  To seem like you knew that you stepped over the line, when you kept on after someone else.

Again, I know that many folks did not "buy the apology" because you immediately decided to Clark the resolution after I made my apology.

But that apology is true to what I believe happened. The discomfort I caused was the line that was crossed. My words caused that discomfort. And I apologized for the discomfort that was caused. And, most importantly, have not spoken words that I believe might cause additional discomfort ever since.

Yes, we know that your statement was true to what you believe happened.  We all know that.  You don't think there was anything wrong with your behavior.  We know.  That's the problem.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 06, 2025, 03:33:35 PMYes, we know that your statement was true to what you believe happened.  We all know that.  You don't think there was anything wrong with your behavior.  We know.  That's the problem.

Yes, that is the problem for you. Not for me. I have apologized for what I believe to be the problem but will not be beaten into submission and believe that what occurred was sexual harassment. You can whisper or "remind" all you want.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 06, 2025, 03:28:21 PMIt's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize.

Quoted for truth!

A sincere apology which Lüc accepted, and an undertaking not to do it again, would do a lot towards removing the cordon sanitaire and restoring the Green Party to the ranks of "normal politics". But Brenéir seems to believe that he can - and should - just "tough it out". Against me and Baron Davinescu, two of the stubbornest Talossans ever invented? Unlikely.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on November 06, 2025, 03:54:05 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on November 06, 2025, 03:28:21 PMIt's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize.

Quoted for truth!

A sincere apology which Lüc accepted, and an undertaking not to do it again, would do a lot towards removing the cordon sanitaire and restoring the Green Party to the ranks of "normal politics". But Brenéir seems to believe that he can - and should - just "tough it out". Against me and Baron Davinescu, two of the stubbornest Talossans ever invented? Unlikely.

Ok, so then we will all be here then, Miestra.

You keep whispering and making statements. I'll keep being me. And whosoever remains happy all the better.

QuoteBreneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP Just to help you out for visibility I added it to my own banner as well. :)
But I am starting to run out of space, sadly...
You need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 08:47:01 PMYou need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

Well, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on November 06, 2025, 09:36:26 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 08:47:01 PMYou need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

Well, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.

That's fair. Doesn't mean much does still mean something and I support increasing their visibility as a reflection of the speaker. There is toxicity and destructiveness happening, unfortunately, in Talossa and my signature line will show it.

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on November 06, 2025, 09:36:26 PMWell, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.

I confess I can't get my brain around "toxic and destructive harassment" which has no effect, in fact he rather likes it and he's proud of it.

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Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on November 06, 2025, 09:57:54 PM

Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on November 06, 2025, 09:36:26 PMWell, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.

I confess I can't get my brain around "toxic and destructive harassment" which has no effect, in fact he rather likes it and he's proud of it.

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I actually started collecting these lines based on your inclusion of a Hooligan quote for a long while.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 08:47:01 PM

QuoteBreneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP Just to help you out for visibility I added it to my own banner as well. :)
But I am starting to run out of space, sadly...
You need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

No need to be upset, you said we could warn all we want, so I did.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:04:33 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 08:47:01 PM

QuoteBreneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP Just to help you out for visibility I added it to my own banner as well. :)
But I am starting to run out of space, sadly...
You need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

No need to be upset, you said we could warn all we want, so I did.

I'm not upset, I am disappointed at the continued name-calling. I'm glad to be able have it in my signature line for  more people to witness where the real harassment is coming from.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 07, 2025, 06:35:28 AM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:04:33 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 08:47:01 PM

QuoteBreneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP Just to help you out for visibility I added it to my own banner as well. :)
But I am starting to run out of space, sadly...
You need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

No need to be upset, you said we could warn all we want, so I did.

I'm not upset, I am disappointed at the continued name-calling. I'm glad to be able have it in my signature line for  more people to witness where the real harassment is coming from.

It's not name-calling, it's the truth. It's not harassment, its protecting people from you. Feel free to sue if you actually believe you are being wronged.

EDIT: And again with the "real harassment", implying what you did wasn't real? Yeah, I think you deserve to be shunned.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:37:12 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 07, 2025, 06:35:28 AM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:04:33 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 06, 2025, 08:47:01 PM

QuoteBreneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.

@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP Just to help you out for visibility I added it to my own banner as well. :)
But I am starting to run out of space, sadly...
You need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.

No need to be upset, you said we could warn all we want, so I did.

I'm not upset, I am disappointed at the continued name-calling. I'm glad to be able have it in my signature line for  more people to witness where the real harassment is coming from.

It's not name-calling, it's the truth. It's not harassment, its protecting people from you. Feel free to sue if you actually believe you are being wronged.

EDIT: And again with the "real harassment", implying what you did wasn't real? Yeah, I think you deserve to be shunned.

It is the exact behavior you pretend to need to protect others from. Hypocrisy is ugly and I'm glad for people to have a record when you lie and claim that I'm the one doing the harassing.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 07, 2025, 06:43:57 AMIt is the exact behavior you pretend to need to protect others from. Hypocrisy is ugly and I'm glad for people to have a record when you lie and claim that I'm the one doing the harassing.

Hilarious, coming from you. If you really think it's a lie, then sue. I dare you. Until then I and everyone else who was there to see it will refer to you by the appropriate terms.

It's a good thing I'm not the King rn...


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Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:45:53 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 07, 2025, 06:43:57 AMIt is the exact behavior you pretend to need to protect others from. Hypocrisy is ugly and I'm glad for people to have a record when you lie and claim that I'm the one doing the harassing.

Hilarious, coming from you. If you really think it's a lie, then sue. I dare you. Until then I and everyone else who was there to see it will refer to you by the appropriate terms.

Hypocrisy isn't any more illegal than a compliment. But I am happy to help people see who is doing the name-calling when you and your allies do your whispering.

QuoteHypocrisy isn't any more illegal than a compliment. But I am happy to help people see who is doing the name-calling when you and your allies do your whispering.

Defamation of character counts a tort. Since you evidently believe you are being defamed (i.e. that people are lying about you to damage your reputation), you should have no qualms about suing civilly. I invite you to sue those who you imply are defaming you.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:54:48 AM

QuoteHypocrisy isn't any more illegal than a compliment. But I am happy to help people see who is doing the name-calling when you and your allies do your whispering.

Defamation of character counts a tort. Since you evidently believe you are being defamed (i.e. that people are lying about you to damage your reputation), you should have no qualms to sue civilly. I invite you to sue those who you imply are defaming you.

Marcel I get that you believe I should sue. You've said that a few times now. And I've said what I need to say. I apologized to Luc for the discomfort my words caused. Others including you believe that that apology was insufficient and that's a fair take that I understand. I don't agree but it is understandable.

I'm going to move on from this thread as it is just a pile on.

Quote from: Max Maltezos on November 07, 2025, 06:47:38 AMIt's a good thing I'm not the King rn...

Why? I'm good.

-Txec R

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 07, 2025, 06:45:53 AMHilarious, coming from you. If you really think it's a lie, then sue. I dare you. Until then I and everyone else who was there to see it will refer to you by the appropriate terms.

While this would be great spectator sport, I'm afraid Talossan defamation law is very weak. I refer you to the 1997 case of Gallagher v. Madison, where the CpI ruled that KR1 telling outright lies about E. Gallagher was not defamation because "no-one believes what he says anyway".

But once again, what else is hilarious to watch is Breneir deny that he's a sex pest after voting for the unanimous Ziu resolution that he's a sex pest. (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency)

Quote from: King Txec on November 07, 2025, 12:34:13 PM

Quote from: Max Maltezos on November 07, 2025, 06:47:38 AMIt's a good thing I'm not the King rn...

Why? I'm good.

-Txec R

No, I said that because I would remove him from office if I was the king, Your Majesty.


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Quote from: Max Maltezos on November 07, 2025, 03:53:42 PMNo, I said that because I would remove him from office if I was the king, Your Majesty.

It's ambiguous whom you mean by "him" here?

Quote from: Max Maltezos on November 07, 2025, 03:53:42 PMNo, I said that because I would remove him from office if I was the king, Your Majesty.

As this is a Constitutional Monarchy, my powers are limited, and I don't have the power to remove someone from office. I would suggest reading through the Organic Law and El Lexhatx. It's actually quite interesting reading, especially if you have any plans on becoming a legislator, as I think you did declare a new political party.

-Txec R

Quote from: King Txec on November 07, 2025, 04:49:05 PM

Quote from: Max Maltezos on November 07, 2025, 03:53:42 PMNo, I said that because I would remove him from office if I was the king, Your Majesty.

As this is a Constitutional Monarchy, my powers are limited, and I don't have the power to remove someone from office. I would suggest reading through the Organic Law and El Lexhatx. It's actually quite interesting reading, especially if you have any plans on becoming a legislator, as I think you did declare a new political party.

-Txec R

Seconding this, @Max Maltezos . In particular, the Organic Law (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:Organic_Law) is our constitution, and if you want to run for office, it's best to know how everything is set up! Knowing how the Government is formed, what the Opposition does, these are all important if you want to play a part!

BTW, I did my patriotic duty and informed Garth Spencer that he was signing up to the Sex Pest Party, and being an upstanding citizen he decided to stand his own party instead (as he's been threatening to for years lol)

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on November 07, 2025, 01:32:09 PMWhile this would be great spectator sport, I'm afraid Talossan defamation law is very weak. I refer you to the 1997 case of Gallagher v. Madison, where the CpI ruled that KR1 telling outright lies about E. Gallagher was not defamation because "no-one believes what he says anyway".[/url]

I looked back at this by the way, and found the following:

• It was called Glaçâ v. Støtanneu
• The CpI didn't rule on this, the case was withdrawn
• The idea that you can't be defamed by someone who lacks credibility is not directly Talossan predecent, but based on US precedent (https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/485/46.html).

Sorry for reviving this thread, I can't help it.