Just so everyone knows, the Green Party leader is removing posts from their board which attempt to warn new citizens that the Green Party leader is a sexual harasser who was unanimously condemned by the Ziu and still thinks he did nothing wrong and he'll do it again (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency). Luckily he has no power over this board.
Yes, I did remove a post where you attempted to continue your campaign of harassment against me, Miestra. A campaign that has been ongoing for months. But I am still here and enjoying my time on Wittenberg and in Talossa and that is a victory of sorts.
I'll keep bopping.
Of course, this is the kind of thing I'm doing regularly, via DM, to anyone who seems interested; but that's not enough. That's just creating a "missing stair" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair) problem:
QuoteThe missing stair is a metaphor for a person within a social group or organization who many people know is untrustworthy or otherwise has to be "managed", but around whom the group chooses to work by discreetly warning newcomers of their behavior, rather than address the person and their behavior openly. The "missing stair" in the metaphor refers to a dangerous structural fault, such as a missing step in a staircase; a fault that people may become used to and quietly accepting of, that is not openly signposted or fixed, and that newcomers to a group or organization are warned about discreetly.
So regular, public callouts/reminders are in order.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Today at 02:35:03 PMSo regular, public callouts/reminders are in order.
It is called harassment. :(
Toxic and destructive harassment.
Well, if you're still enjoying your time on Wittenberg and in Talossa, I guess no harm, no foul. Right?
Another option would be: admit your misdeeds (as unanimously stated by the Ziu), give a proper apology to Lüc, and mind your behavior in future, and you no longer need to be something we need to warn newbies about.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Today at 02:55:01 PMWell, if you're still enjoying your time on Wittenberg and in Talossa, I guess no harm, no foul. Right?
Another option would be: admit your misdeeds (as unanimously stated by the Ziu), give a proper apology to Lüc, and mind your behavior in future, and you no longer need to be something we need to warn newbies about.
I am not concerned with what you think a "proper" apology is. I have apologized for the discomfort my compliments caused Luc and for over a year now have remained entirely professional with him. Again, if it gives you pleasure to bad-mouth and whisper about people then that is more about you, Miestra, not me. Wittenberg is awash with your statements and I tend to allow your behavior to speak for itself now.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Today at 02:59:29 PMI am not concerned with what you think a "proper" apology is. I have apologized for the discomfort my compliments caused Luc and for over a year now
Well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way" is not an apology, and the fact that you still seem to think that your comments were appropriate and that it's everyone else who is doing you wrong and mischaracterising you doesn't help.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Today at 03:05:07 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Today at 02:59:29 PMI am not concerned with what you think a "proper" apology is. I have apologized for the discomfort my compliments caused Luc and for over a year now
Well, that's sort of the problem, isn't it? "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way" is not an apology, and the fact that you still seem to think that your comments were appropriate and that it's everyone else who is doing you wrong and mischaracterising you doesn't help.
Let me cite the actual apology rather than your perception:
I am sincerely glad you've found your voice, Luc, and spoken publicly on this matter but I again reject the mischaracterization of my words or actions as deflection, gaslighting, or whataboutism.
And while I've never complimented someone with malicious intent (including the instances being referenced here) it does seem that you and others are committed to seeing it that way. For any discomfort I have caused you, whether it was intended or not, I apologize. As you have stated above the impact on you has been negative so intent is irrelevant.For any discomfort I caused you I apologize. This seems pretty clear.
As has been re-cited now, yes, I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc. And there have been no additional comments. What HAS been happening for months now are comments about me in public and in private as admitted by Miestra.
There is harassment ongoing now and it is not being conducted by me.
Well, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Today at 03:15:18 PMWell, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.
So, in the first half you now admit that I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc?
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Today at 03:16:54 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Today at 03:15:18 PMWell, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.
So, in the first half you now admit that I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc?
Yes, that was what I was refering to by "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way". Not once did you actually apologise for what you said, but rather for how it came across. That is
gross.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Today at 03:18:17 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Today at 03:16:54 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Today at 03:15:18 PMWell, that's only half of your apology (and note how even then you talk about everyone else is "committed to seeing" your statements as harrassing). You forgot to post the second half in which you relativise and make excuses for your behaviour.
So, in the first half you now admit that I did apologize for the discomfort I caused Luc?
Yes, that was what I was refering by "I'm sorry you took it the wrong way". Not once did you actually apologise for what you said, but rather for how they came across. That is gross.
I did apologize to Luc for the discomfort my words caused, Marcel. You acknowledge that.
You have an issue with me telling you that I am someone who compliments people and that is okay with me. You think that explanation is gross, okay.
But I am going to call out a continued campaign of harassment, now, against me. Which Miestra is currently leading.
I will be here, Marcel. And I will continue to be true to myself.
Yeah, no one buys that as an apology. Most of your "apology" is just an announcement that you didn't do anything wrong, Brent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIzTmZal-3A).
It's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize. To seem like you knew that you stepped over the line, when you kept on after someone else.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 03:28:21 PMYeah, no one buys that as an apology. Most of your "apology" is just an announcement that you didn't do anything wrong.
It's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize. To seem like you knew that you stepped over the line, when you kept on after someone else.
Again, I know that many folks did not "buy the apology" because you immediately decided to Clark the resolution after I made my apology.
But that apology is true to what I believe happened. The discomfort I caused was the line that was crossed. My words caused that discomfort. And I apologized for the discomfort that was caused. And, most importantly, have not spoken words that I believe might cause additional discomfort ever since.
Yes, we know that your statement was true to what you believe happened. We all know that. You don't think there was anything wrong with your behavior. We know. That's the problem.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 03:33:35 PMYes, we know that your statement was true to what you believe happened. We all know that. You don't think there was anything wrong with your behavior. We know. That's the problem.
Yes, that is the problem for you. Not for me. I have apologized for what I believe to be the problem but will not be beaten into submission and believe that what occurred was sexual harassment. You can whisper or "remind" all you want.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 03:28:21 PMIt's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize.
Quoted for truth!
A sincere apology which Lüc accepted, and an undertaking not to do it again, would do a lot towards removing the
cordon sanitaire and restoring the Green Party to the ranks of "normal politics". But Brenéir seems to believe that he can - and should - just "tough it out". Against me and Baron Davinescu, two of the stubbornest Talossans ever invented? Unlikely.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Today at 03:54:05 PMQuote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 03:28:21 PMIt's funny how much of this would just evaporate if you could just find it within yourself to actually apologize.
Quoted for truth!
A sincere apology which Lüc accepted, and an undertaking not to do it again, would do a lot towards removing the cordon sanitaire and restoring the Green Party to the ranks of "normal politics". But Brenéir seems to believe that he can - and should - just "tough it out". Against me and Baron Davinescu, two of the stubbornest Talossans ever invented? Unlikely.
Ok, so then we will all be here then, Miestra.
You keep whispering and making statements. I'll keep being me. And whosoever remains happy all the better.
QuoteBreneir Tzaracomprada is a sex pest and harasser.
@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP Just to help you out for visibility I added it to my own banner as well. :)
But I am starting to run out of space, sadly...
You need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Today at 08:47:01 PMYou need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.
Well, they must mean
something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.
Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on Today at 09:36:26 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on Today at 08:47:01 PMYou need to understand that these words don't mean much to me because I know who I am.
Well, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.
That's fair. Doesn't mean much does still mean something and I support increasing their visibility as a reflection of the speaker. There is toxicity and destructiveness happening, unfortunately, in Talossa and my signature line will show it.
Quote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on Today at 09:36:26 PMWell, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.
I confess I can't get my brain around "toxic and destructive harassment" which has no effect, in fact he rather likes it and he's proud of it.
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Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Today at 09:57:54 PMQuote from: Sir Ian Plätschisch on Today at 09:36:26 PMWell, they must mean something to you or else you wouldn't be putting them in your signature.
I confess I can't get my brain around "toxic and destructive harassment" which has no effect, in fact he rather likes it and he's proud of it.
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I actually started collecting these lines based on your inclusion of a Hooligan quote for a long while.