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After a majority vote of approval by the Progressive Alliance membership and approval by the leader of In Defensa Traditionis, we are pleased to announce the formation of a coalition for the purposes of government in the upcoming 62^nd Cosa.  This coalition will control a majority of seats in the Cosa.

The terms of this coalition are designed to find common ground between two parties that are very different in political terms.  We expect that in matters of legislation and policy, the two parties will continue to have different approaches.  However, there is mutual agreement on the importance of promoting, supporting, and furthering the appreciation of el Glheþ.  Accordingly, IDT will select a candidate to serve as Minister of Culture with the primary focus of el Glheþ, and all other initiatives will be subject to approval by the Seneschal.  This restriction is unusual, but we feel that it is warranted given our divergent cultural values and the fact that the IDT is new to Talossan politics.

We are currently in other negotiations, which we hope will also be fruitful.  But more importantly, no one should let things like this stop them from getting involved in some capacity.  Whatever your politics and whatever your background and whatever your activity level, we can find a way for you to contribute.

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1.  Both parties shall endorse the Baron Alexandreu Davinescu as their choice for Seneschal, and to rank him first in any election for Seneschal.

2.  Members of Cosa from both parties will vote in favour of all Votes of Confidence.

3.  A representative from In Defensa Traditionis will be afforded a Cabinet position as Minister of Culture.  This position will be primarily focused on activities that promote el Glheþ.  Other initiatives will be subject to approval by the Seneschal, although every effort will be made to respect the Minister's preferences.

4.  Cabinet Ministers will agree upon a code of conduct for Government officials, and will then be expected to abide by it.  This will include courteous behavior to the public and the Ziu, as well as active engagement with their responsibilities.

5.  No amendment to this coalition agreement shall be made without the endorsement of both parties, up to and including the addition of further coalition partners.

... you did this literally while we we trying to negotiate our own confidence/supply deal with you?!?

You knew about this, since an announcement the two parties would be working together was made about this a month ago and you commented on it at the time.

I let Mic'halgh know several days ago that we were ready to move forward, and haven't heard back from him.  We're still interested in working together, and the IDT leader is also aware.  Nothing at all has changed from the expected underlying situation, and our same proposal is still on offer.

Are there any concrete plans on what those "activities that promote el Glheþ" that the Minister of Culture will be restricted to are?

Also, are there any plans to replace me as Ladintsch Naziunal?

Let me explain something. The idea of a confidence/supply deal is based on the idea that the smaller party has leverage to withdraw confidence/supply if the deal is broken.

The new Conservative Coalition has 102 seats. Therefore, a guaranteed majority. Therefore, there is no point in a confidence/supply deal since the Government can win a majority in any case. I should note that the URL can still deny supply in the Senäts, but frankly, the amount of spending Talossa's government does means that's not going to bite very hard.

If we knew you were going to form a majority coalition (as opposed to some other deal) with the Absolute Monarchists, we would have never approached you. In fact, the reason we approached you on day 1 about confidence/supply was precisely so you wouldn't do that.

And you announced this arrangement, making our own arrangement pointless, while Mic'haglh was literally on the Discord waiting to talk to you, so don't claim that we were sandbagging here.

A very, very poor start to the 62nd Cosa government.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on Yesterday at 03:51:44 PMAre there any concrete plans on what those "activities that promote el Glheþ" that the Minister of Culture will be restricted to are?

Also, are there any plans to replace me as Ladintsch Naziunal?

I think I'd really like to see much more Talossan used in the Government, so the first project I was hoping to see was a systematic translation project of all government posts, with legislation to solemnify it once that's done.

It would be just plain stupid to replace you, so no, there's no plans to do that.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 04:13:02 PMLet me explain something. The idea of a confidence/supply deal is based on the idea that the smaller party has leverage to withdraw confidence/supply if the deal is broken.

The new Conservative Coalition has 102 seats. Therefore, a guaranteed majority. Therefore, there is no point in a confidence/supply deal since the Government can win a majority in any case. I should note that the URL can still deny supply in the Senäts, but frankly, the amount of spending Talossa's government does means that's not going to bite very hard.

If we knew you were going to form a majority coalition (as opposed to some other deal) with the Absolute Monarchists, we would have never approached you. In fact, the reason we approached you on day 1 about confidence/supply was precisely so you wouldn't do that.

And you announced this arrangement, making our own arrangement pointless, while Mic'haglh was literally on the Discord waiting to talk to you, so don't claim that we were sandbagging here.

A very, very poor start to the 62nd Cosa government.

If we could not reach an accord with the IDT, then we would have needed a confidence and supply deal.  So yes, obviously that's no longer on the table, lol... just by pure definition.

However, we're still very open to a deal with the URL along the terms of our proposal, and we hope you guys are also open to that on some scale.  Certainly, it's your prerogative to break off negotiations, but I hope that you will not.

A broad-spectrum Government would benefit the country in a lot of ways, and it would allow the URL some representation in the Cabinet to work on issues where our priorities overlap.  There are some things we very much agree on!  And while we hope to hear from you regardless, it would also be good to get the wisdom and perspective of URL leaders as we make decisions about where Talossa will be headed.  There are some things you guys were anxious about, and this would give you input into those decisions and allay your concerns.

I'm not speaking for the URL collectively here (the issue hasn't even got back to our Comità, we're too busy being outraged on here), but I wonder how you think a party whose self-definition is "the Party of Talossan Democracy" could possibly vote confidence in a government including people who literally oppose Talossan democracy. Voting confidence/supply in a single-party PA government would not pose problems like this.

Of course given the Senäts numbers there is room for discussion on legislation.

Listen, Max is a theocrat who supports absolute monarchy through the divine right of kings.  I disagree with the vast majority of his politics, and I think he knows that.  But he seems to be a decent person who genuinely loves Talossa, and we have some common areas, and so we found a way to work together with a sharply circumscribed agreement.

The Progs do not have the same political differences from the URL, since we're much more aligned on our basic values.  If we entered into an agreement together, then I would expect that you would withdraw from such an agreement or begin blocking legislation if you felt that the actual things that happened were beyond bounds.  However, I suspect we'd actually be united at such a time.

I do not think it's beyond the pale to let the most enthusiastic user of our language in years work on promoting the language.  I think it makes obvious sense.  But if you're in doubt, then I urge you to hold us accountable, whether you're looking from the outside or part of the conversation in Cabinet.

We're still ready and willing to talk, if you guys are up for it.  I think you'll find that I'm open to just about any approach, even if we have to work out the fine details: some support contingent on specific policy promises, representation in the Government so you can be a voice in the room and help guide Talossa, or whatever else.

We really did mean it when we said we wanted to work with everybody.*

*still not Breneir tho, dude's gotta apologize for real

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 05:59:41 PMThe Progs do not have the same political differences from the UR

I would have thought not; which is why it is such a surprise that you told Mic'haglh that the Progs were not interested in a formal coalition with the URL (153/8 seats), but it turns out you are keen on one with the Absolute Monarchists (102/4 seats).

Mximo should certainly be at the centre of ár comunità Ladintsch, and he's been playing that role already, but I don't know how to explain that someone who opposes democracy does not have a role in the Government of a constitutional monarchy. No-one would complain about a senior non-Cabinet position, although perhaps not replacing the Ladintsch Naziunal.

IMHO discussion can continue about specific items of legislation, including the Budget; but there can be no more talk of a confidence agreement while the Government already holds an absolute majority of seats.

Good to note that the cordon sanitaire holds; I did note that Sex Pest was saying that he wasn't going to be the opposition any more, which I saw as an attempt for him to weasel his way back into a renewed TNC-style coalition.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 06:58:29 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 05:59:41 PMThe Progs do not have the same political differences from the UR

I would have thought not; which is why it is such a surprise that you told Mic'haglh that the Progs were not interested in a formal coalition with the URL (153/8 seats), but it turns out you are keen on one with the Absolute Monarchists (102/4 seats).

Mximo should certainly be at the centre of ár comunità Ladintsch, and he's been playing that role already, but I don't know how to explain that someone who opposes democracy does not have a role in the Government of a constitutional monarchy. No-one would complain about a senior non-Cabinet position, although perhaps not replacing the Ladintsch Naziunal.

IMHO discussion can continue about specific items of legislation, including the Budget; but there can be no more talk of a confidence agreement while the Government already holds an absolute majority of seats.

Good to note that the cordon sanitaire holds; I did note that Sex Pest was saying that he wasn't going to be the opposition any more, which I saw as an attempt for him to weasel his way back into a renewed TNC-style coalition.

We're together mainly for el Glheþ/Jethus, and also to keep the monarchy relevant. I'll clarify my position: If the monarchy is elevated to a level comparable to that of Liechtenstein (formally called a semi-constitutional monarchy, in which the King is kinda like the POTUS), then it would meet the criteria for the government this party wishes to attain. I have no intent to suppress free speech, but it can be abused easily (I'm not saying you are, Madame PM!). That's all I have to say.


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Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 06:58:29 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 05:59:41 PMThe Progs do not have the same political differences from the UR

I would have thought not; which is why it is such a surprise that you told Mic'haglh that the Progs were not interested in a formal coalition with the URL (153/8 seats), but it turns out you are keen on one with the Absolute Monarchists (102/4 seats).

The terms on which we are engaged with the IDT are very similar to what I just mentioned for the URL, as you will note.  We did not have an appetite for the scale of collaboration that was initially proposed.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on Yesterday at 06:58:29 PMIMHO discussion can continue about specific items of legislation, including the Budget; but there can be no more talk of a confidence agreement while the Government already holds an absolute majority of seats.

Well yes, a confidence and supply situation would be suitable to support a minority Government, so that doesn't make sense definitionally, I would think?  But I take your meaning.

If you guys change your mind and are interested in being a part of the Government, we're still happy to discuss how to advance the interests of your constituents in achieving your party policy goals, since a lot of them seem great.  I respect your decision if you're just taking that off the table, but the door is open if you guys change your mind.  And of course, we'll be happy to discuss other items such as cooperation in the Senate, as well.

With the recent legislation by Marcel and the mention of a Democracy Agenda I am looking forward to seeing another party conduct a vigorous set of activities as the Opposition. This is a healthy aspect of our democracy so lets see who will make up the URL shadow cabinet. As mentioned Greens are taking a less active approach to terpeleziuns as a member of the Opposition but we will when necessary submit enquiries to the PA/IDT government.

I don't know, but it seems like someone should ask the actual, reigning king, his thoughts on his role in Talossa. Just an idea.

-Txec R

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 07:45:12 PMI don't know, but it seems like someone should ask the actual, reigning king, his thoughts on his role in Talossa. Just an idea.

-Txec R

Yeah; I know Mximo is anxious about the idea of being a "rebel" but you've got to ask what happens if the constitutional King of Talossa has no interest in being anything other than a constitutional King. Is their legitimacy in question under Traditionalist ideology?

Quote from: King Txec on Yesterday at 07:45:12 PMI don't know, but it seems like someone should ask the actual, reigning king, his thoughts on his role in Talossa. Just an idea.

-Txec R

Your Majesty, what are your thoughts on your role in Talossa?

I have no aspirations to greater power and I am content with my role as a constitutional Monarch. I simply responded because it is appropriate that when discussing someone else's role, that person should be consulted.

-Txec R