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Title: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on December 15, 2025, 12:35:27 PM
With the election certified, it's my pleasure to open seat allocations for the 62nd Cosă.

The seats to be allocated are:

Progressive Alliance: 87 seats @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu
Uniun dels Reformistaes Livereschti: 66 seats @Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC & @Mic'haglh Autófil, O.Be
Green Party: 28 seats @Breneir Tzaracomprada
In Defensa Traditionis: 15 seats @Mximo Malt
Independent Green/Anarcho-Surrealist: 4 seats @Garth Spencer

As a reminder, the maximum number of seats that can be held by a single MC is 20 (down from 22 in the 61st Cosă). Offlist MCs can hold no more than 1/3 of a party's seats collectively, and each can hold at most as many seats as were awarded to a list candidate.

Additionally, the Chancery is in receipt of the request for a new citizen's seat from @Andrïeu Cabischabuerg and has assigned him a single Cosă seat, to be held until Dissolution, pursuant to OrgLaw IV.4.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Mximo Malt on December 15, 2025, 04:43:42 PM
Is there a date for the 1st Clark yet, Most Excellent Secretary?
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 15, 2025, 04:45:57 PM
The eighty-seven seats for the Progressive Alliance will be distributed as follows:

We would like to assign twenty seats (20) to Sir Xhorxh Pol Briga, UrN ( @xpb ), a stalwart citizen of Cézembre who has been a champion for his province and for his country.

We would like to assign twenty seats (20) to Tric'hard Lenxheir ( @Tric'hard Lenxheir ), a Vuodean whose level head and earnest heart are never in doubt.

We would like to assign twenty (20) seats to Baroness Cjantscheir of Tamorán Beach Erschéveþ Cjantscheir LL.B, LL.M, ChRTB, UrN, GST ( @Litz ), a woman of unimpeachable judgment and independent mind.

We would like to assign twenty (20) seats to Françal Ian Lux ( @Françal I. Lux ), a Talossan who puts his principles first and his whole heart into a cause.

And lastly, we would like to assign seven (7) seats to John, Duke of Lupul ( @Duke John ), the man who persevered on behalf of his country in the face of a belligerent storm of a king.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on December 16, 2025, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: Mximo Malt on December 15, 2025, 04:43:42 PMIs there a date for the 1st Clark yet, Most Excellent Secretary?

Azul, the First Clark will almost certainly run from January 1st to January 21st.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on December 16, 2025, 05:35:58 AM
All PROG assignments are now reflected on the Database: https://database.talossa.com/ziu/terms/62/clarks/1
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Mximo Malt on December 16, 2025, 04:40:04 PM
Ego revindico tota illa scamna de meo partito.

(Éu revindichéu toct els eschcaes da va parti.)
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Andrïeu Cabischabuerg on December 16, 2025, 07:18:57 PM
Quote from: Sir Lüc on December 16, 2025, 05:35:58 AMAll PROG assignments are now reflected on the Database: https://database.talossa.com/ziu/terms/62/clarks/1
I switch my party affiliation from Independent to URL.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, O.Be on December 17, 2025, 08:53:50 AM
The Union of Free Reformists assigns the following seats:

Mic'haglh Autófil: 20 seats
Miestră Schivă: 20 seats
Sir Marcel Tafial: 20 seats
Sir Marti-Pair Furxheir: 3 seats
Iac Moritzescu: 3 seats
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2025, 03:57:25 PM
The Green Party is thankful to the following for stepping up to serve the Kingdom in the Ziu:

Breneir Tzaracomprada - 20 seats
Francesco Manzella - 4 seats @Francesco Manzella
Muhammed Yasir - 4 seats @Muhammed Yasir
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on December 29, 2025, 07:01:03 AM
Mximo Malt, Francesco Manzella, Duke Ian, Françal Ian Lux, Andrïeu Cabischabuerg, Marcel Tafial, Ian Moritzescu, Litz Cjantscheir and Béneditsch Ardpresteir have been emailed with credentials to fresh Database accounts for voting on the Clark. If you are one of them, check your inbox and get back to me if there are any issues.

I believe all other MZs already had one. If this is incorrect, or you lost your credentials, or have login issues, contact me.

I also shot an email to Garth Spencer, who still has to assign (presumably to himself) the four seats won by his party.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Garth Spencer on December 29, 2025, 02:39:10 PM
The Independent Green/Anarcho-Surrealist Party assigns the following seats:
Garth Spencer - 4 seats
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Francesco Manzella on December 30, 2025, 04:35:07 AM
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 17, 2025, 03:57:25 PMThe Green Party is thankful to the following for stepping up to serve the Kingdom in the Ziu:

Breneir Tzaracomprada - 20 seats
Francesco Manzella - 4 seats @Francesco Manzella
Muhammed Yasir - 4 seats @Muhammed Yasir

Its a privilege to me...
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on February 23, 2026, 09:28:10 AM
20 seats formerly held by Baroness Cjantscheir are now available to the Progressive Alliance for reassignment. @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on February 27, 2026, 10:47:16 AM
The three new citizen MCs have been contacted with database credentials. @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu still needs to reassign 20 seats by tomorrow.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 27, 2026, 12:10:31 PM
I'm trying to find someone reliable who feels comfortable in the legislature, and unfortunately have not found anyone.  We've grown so fast as a party that we're outstripping our legislative bench.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 27, 2026, 12:33:35 PM
Well, we can start with assigning 13 of them to His Grace, Duke John.  That brings him up to the legal limit of 20.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on February 27, 2026, 10:45:27 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 27, 2026, 12:10:31 PMI'm trying to find someone reliable who feels comfortable in the legislature, and unfortunately have not found anyone.  We've grown so fast as a party that we're outstripping our legislative bench.

Surely more accurate to say "our vote has grown faster than our active membership"?

Which is precisely why the party list system is so important - to ensure parties are teams of active citizens rather than a "brand" behind a "leader".
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 27, 2026, 11:03:23 PM
Personally, I think it favors established parties and makes it harder to grow a party.  I also think it's undemocratic to limit how many votes are counted for a party, and it's almost certainly inorganic for a statute to over-rule the Organic Law.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 28, 2026, 08:29:25 AM
@Tong Mun Kit has agreed to take the remaining seven seats for our party.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on February 28, 2026, 02:25:10 PM
The appointment is now reflected and Mun Kit has been provided with database login credentials.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Tong Mun Kit on March 01, 2026, 06:05:10 AM
Quote from: Sir Lüc on February 28, 2026, 02:25:10 PMThe appointment is now reflected and Mun Kit has been provided with database login credentials.
well. What should i do for this database? And guideline?
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 01, 2026, 06:59:48 AM
You don't necessarily have to do anything with the database. It's a way of voting, but you can also vote here on the forum when a thread is posted.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Tong Mun Kit on March 01, 2026, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 01, 2026, 06:59:48 AMYou don't necessarily have to do anything with the database. It's a way of voting, but you can also vote here on the forum when a thread is posted.
ok. Well received . Which and how to vote? It look bit complicated. 😅
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 01, 2026, 09:04:22 AM
I will send you a personal message about exactly how it works with the database and the schedule. It definitely is complicated!
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Tong Mun Kit on March 01, 2026, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 01, 2026, 09:04:22 AMI will send you a personal message about exactly how it works with the database and the schedule. It definitely is complicated!
sure
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on March 05, 2026, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 27, 2026, 12:10:31 PMI'm trying to find someone reliable who feels comfortable in the legislature

Sidenote but I am a little concerned about you mentioning people aren't feeling comfortable serving in the Ziu. Talossa doesn't require much from its MZs so maybe it would be worthwhile finding out what's causing so much friction, for the sake of everyone involved.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 05, 2026, 10:53:01 AM
Some people are uncomfortable not at the workload, which is minimal, but at the level of responsibility.  I think that's perfectly justified.  As an MZ, you help make decisions that chart the future of our country.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on March 05, 2026, 02:43:39 PM
A representative democracy requires a base of citizens who are keen to take on that responsibility. Contrast this to a populist/presidentialist system, where you just need "one guy" with fire in his belly and a bunch of mostly passive voters.

This is why the URL supports both (a) a smaller Ziu which can be filled competitively by those who are keen, rather than stuffed full of the barely active; (b) an immigration process which promotes civic responsibility rather than raw numbers.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on April 15, 2026, 06:03:16 AM
Regrettably, 20 more PROG seats are now vacant and available to @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu for reassignment, due to the renunciation of Tric'hard Lenxheir.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 29, 2026, 03:02:22 PM
@Moinul Moin has graciously agreed to represent the Progressive Alliance.  Please increase @Tong Mun Kit 's allotment to twenty seats, reflecting our confidence in his growing experience, and assign the remaining seven to @Moinul Moin .  Thank you!
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on April 30, 2026, 09:44:23 AM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 29, 2026, 03:02:22 PM@Moinul Moin has graciously agreed to represent the Progressive Alliance.  Please increase @Tong Mun Kit 's allotment to twenty seats, reflecting our confidence in his growing experience, and assign the remaining seven to @Moinul Moin .  Thank you!

The above has now been reflected on the database. S:r Moin will be emailed database credentials for Clark voting in short order.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on May 01, 2026, 11:46:32 AM
I might have overlooked a substantial issue. I'm afraid that, unless I am mistaken, this would mean the Progressive Alliance allocation is:

* On-list candidates: 40 *
Lux 20
Brigă 20

* Off-list candidates: 47 *
Lupul 20
Tong 20
Moin 7

Pursuant to Lex.B.2.3.1.1.3, "The total number of seats awarded to those not on the list does not exceed 1/3 of all seats won by the party". 47 being over 87/3 = 29, I am unable to honour the Seneschal's reallocation request.

For the time being, Tong Mun Kit has been reverted to the 7 seats he already held, and Moinul Moin will hold 2 seats, for a total of 29 off-list seats. 69 seats are filled, and 18 seats will stand vacant.

I'm sorry I didn't catch this earlier - I was on a rush and misremembered the Duke of Lupul as being an on-list MC.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 12:40:17 PM
The Progressive list was:

Well, Mximo Carbonel, Þerxh Sant-Enogat, and I are in the Senats.  Françal and XPB are already in the Cosa.  Of the remaining individuals, the Baroness is incommunicado and likely to remain so, and I haven't heard from Eovart.  Tric'hard is gone.  So out of these eight people, five of them are already in the Ziu.  The others are not really possibilities.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 01:06:08 PM
Article IV, Section 3 of the Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa says: "In the case of vacant party seats occurring between elections, the Secretary of State shall inform the King and the leader of whatever party held the vacant seat. The King shall appoint a replacement to each vacancy. If the seat belonged to a party with a functioning party leader, the King must appoint as a replacement whichever person shall be so designated by that party's leader."

Your Majesty, I am hereby designating Tong Mun Kit and Moinul Moin as replacements for these vacant party seats.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: King Txec on May 01, 2026, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 01:06:08 PMArticle IV, Section 3 of the Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa says: "In the case of vacant party seats occurring between elections, the Secretary of State shall inform the King and the leader of whatever party held the vacant seat. The King shall appoint a replacement to each vacancy. If the seat belonged to a party with a functioning party leader, the King must appoint as a replacement whichever person shall be so designated by that party's leader."

Your Majesty, I am hereby designating Tong Mun Kit and Moinul Moin as replacements for these vacant party seats.

If you would do me a favor S:reu Seneschal @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu  and include the number of seats per MC I am appointing so we can do this as legally as possible.

Thank you.

-Txec R
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: King Txec on May 01, 2026, 02:40:20 PM
I will state, however, there appears to be a conflict between the Organic Law and El Lex. If I appoint S:reu Kit and S:reu Moin to the Cosa, it violates El Lex B.2.3.1.1.3. while at the same time appearing to be consistent with OrgLaw IV Section 3. This puts me in a quandary and I am strongly considering seeking judicial advice on the matter.

-Txec R
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: King Txec on May 01, 2026, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 01, 2026, 01:06:08 PMArticle IV, Section 3 of the Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa says: "In the case of vacant party seats occurring between elections, the Secretary of State shall inform the King and the leader of whatever party held the vacant seat. The King shall appoint a replacement to each vacancy. If the seat belonged to a party with a functioning party leader, the King must appoint as a replacement whichever person shall be so designated by that party's leader."

Your Majesty, I am hereby designating Tong Mun Kit and Moinul Moin as replacements for these vacant party seats.

If you would do me a favor S:reu Seneschal @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu  and include the number of seats per MC I am appointing so we can do this as legally as possible.

Thank you.

-Txec R

Your Majesty,

Please appoint Tong Mun Kit thirteen seats, to a total of twenty, and assign the remaining seven to Moinul Moin.

It is my opinion that the Organic Law overrules the statute that purports to contradict it. I believe completely that Your Grace has only good intentions, and I commend your care. However, I do not believe that my party's voters should be disenfranchised by regulations that are inorganic and penalize success. I don't think there is any wiggle room in the phrasing of our supreme governing law.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Sir Lüc on May 02, 2026, 05:19:10 AM
The Chancery is happy to await the outcome of His Majesty's request for an advisory opinion, and to revisit its decision if necessary.

I should restate/clarify that, of the 20 seats to be reassigned, while being unable to allocate all of them as directed by the Seneschal, the Chancery has nonetheless given 2 to Moinul Moin out of the 7 he was slated to receive, as he had been initially appointed as a Member of the Cosă upon the erroneous preliminary reallocation, and the Chancery believes that retracting such an appointment could potentially inOrganically disenfranchise him from enjoying the rights of that office.
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 17, 2026, 09:11:28 AM
@King Txec , it's been two weeks.  Have you received any communication from any of the three justices assigned to the case?
Title: Re: MCs for the 62nd Cosă
Post by: King Txec on May 17, 2026, 04:31:07 PM
Judge Plätschisch is the only one to respond. I've sent a follow-up request/reminder to the Cort.

-Txec R