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Can someone explain to me how Talossan Football (http://wiki.talossa.com/Rules_to_Talossan_Football) works? I've been interested in it for a while and I read the rules a bunch of times but I still dont really get it (especially the Runners...)

I'm gonna be honest, I'm can't, because I got about halfway down the page and became hopelessly confused.

I want to watch this one day though. It sounds significantly more interesting than American or European football.

It's ridiculous nonsense dreamed up by citizens who are no longer active, lol

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 23, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
It's ridiculous nonsense dreamed up by citizens who are no longer active, lol

We been knew, I just think its very interesting. I asked because I plan to do something with it but there are some aspects of the rules that seem wrong. Like seriously, what is a Runner supposed to do when they cant kick, catch or carry the ball?

(also, most Talossan things, such as the language or Talossa itself, are ridiculous nonsense dreamed up by inactive citizens lets be real here)

Talossan football is modeled and blended from a variety of games including gridiron, association, rugby, etc. with an overlay of chess nomenclature

Quote from: xpb on September 27, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
Talossan football is modeled and blended from a variety of games including gridiron, association, rugby, etc. with an overlay of chess nomenclature

I'm currently working on a small project in my spare time which involves Talossan Football. Since you were involved in its creation 14 years ago (jesus thats ages ago), would you mind if I asked you some questions about the rules? (At least until Hool creates an account on NewWitt)

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on September 28, 2020, 01:00:56 PM

Quote from: xpb on September 27, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
Talossan football is modeled and blended from a variety of games including gridiron, association, rugby, etc. with an overlay of chess nomenclature

I'm currently working on a small project in my spare time which involves Talossan Football. Since you were involved in its creation 14 years ago (jesus thats ages ago), would you mind if I asked you some questions about the rules? (At least until Hool creates an account on NewWitt)

Sure happy to start a discussion - there may be things to drag over from proboards to here as well.

I think an addition to this would be to have starting positions after a hike setup similar to those in https://chess960.net/ if there were a full compliment of 16 players per side, or if less then a similar mirroring

I am a referee for North American Gridiron Football, and it would be good to attract similar officials for Rugby (including 7s which could be a good variant for Talossan), Soccer Football, and Aussie Rules Football to confer.  There might need to be an opera expert as well, and given the existence of nets, perhaps a volleyball and lacrosse official as well.

Probably the best reverse analogy for Talossan Football would be Calvinball https://calvinandhobbes.fandom.com/wiki/Calvinball

Bump. I still dont know what Runners are supposed to do.

Runners are supposed to be "essentially equivalent to rugby players," but as far as I can see, they're just worse quebecs (the supposed equivalent to gridiron quarterbacks).

This thread might help: https://talossa.proboards.com/thread/1105/help-create-talossan-football-league

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 15, 2022, 06:13:52 PM
Runners are supposed to be "essentially equivalent to rugby players," but as far as I can see, they're just worse quebecs (the supposed equivalent to gridiron quarterbacks).

That's really interesting! On the "Talossan Football" wiki page (http://wiki.talossa.com/Talossan_Football), Runners are described as 'like a gridiron football "eligible receiver"', while Protectors are like Rugby players. Not knowing much about North American football, I googled the term and it looks like eligible receivers are the ones that are allowed to catch a forward pass, right? In that case, why does the "Rules to Talossan Football" page (http://wiki.talossa.com/Rules_to_Talossan_Football) say that Runners cannot catch, hold or carry the ball? It's weirder still since Runners can score touchdowns if they're in possession of the ball in an end zone, but how can they even possess the ball if they can't carry it?

On that note, is there some sort of organisation that is in charge of the rules? If so, it might be good to get them to meet up to suss out this and possible other inconsistencies in the rules.


EDIT: The plot thickens: Does "A runner may not be the first player to contact a ball sent forward by any player on his team" refer to the first time the ball is sent forward by his team in a given play or does it mean they de facto cant ever catch a forward ball?

I've also been thinking about this line in the rules:

Quote from: Rules of Talossan FootballThe cézembre ("zoomer," shirt) of each player must be well-marked, indicating to the opposition, officials, and spectators, the player's position.

I believe this could be easily achieved with uniform numbers:
[table style="width:25%;" border=1]
[tr][td]Position[/td][td]Number range[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Keeper[/td][td]0, 00[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Quebec[/td][td]01 - 19[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Runner[/td][td]20 - 39[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Backer[/td][td]40 - 59[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nomad[/td][td]60 - 79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Protector[/td][td]80 - 99[/td][/tr]
[/table]

Thoughts?

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 21, 2022, 05:04:04 AM
I've also been thinking about this line in the rules:

Quote from: Rules of Talossan FootballThe cézembre ("zoomer," shirt) of each player must be well-marked, indicating to the opposition, officials, and spectators, the player's position.

I believe this could be easily achieved with uniform numbers:
[table style="width:25%;" border=1]
[tr][td]Position[/td][td]Number range[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Keeper[/td][td]0, 00[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Quebec[/td][td]01 - 19[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Runner[/td][td]20 - 39[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Backer[/td][td]40 - 59[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nomad[/td][td]60 - 79[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Protector[/td][td]80 - 99[/td][/tr]
[/table]

Thoughts?

The numbers are slightly different, but this was exactly how I figured the issue would best be solved. American football does it, no reason Talossan football can't.

Who is the current National Gamemaster? I was hoping that I and potentially other interested people could get a governing body of Talossan Football going and fix and clarify a few of the rules on the Wiki.

We abolished that position, and it was only about tabletop wargames anyway

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 23, 2022, 04:40:48 PM
We abolished that position, and it was only about tabletop wargames anyway

So I guess there is no one in charge of this then, or should I be asking the Minister of Culture?

Yes, that's a Culture portfolio thing. Good luck getting hold of the minister, though.

In his absence, I would recommend that what happens is that a Talossan Football Association be formed among interested parties and, once formed, can get "official imprimatur".

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on February 23, 2022, 05:00:49 PM
Yes, that's a Culture portfolio thing. Good luck getting hold of the minister, though.

In his absence, I would recommend that what happens is that a Talossan Football Association be formed among interested parties and, once formed, can get "official imprimatur".

So what you're telling me is, it's fortuitous I've been running with this despite much input from others?  ;D

Since the field diagram on the Wiki is not to scale, I decided to make my own.

The pitch would be 100 m by 60 m with 10 m worth of end zones on each side, that way the dimensions are vaguely compatible with soccer and Canadian football fields. This is based on the assumption that a goal would be 8 metres long (very rough approximation of a soccer goal's width of 7.3 m).

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 23, 2022, 04:38:06 PM
Who is the current National Gamemaster? I was hoping that I and potentially other interested people could get a governing body of Talossan Football going and fix and clarify a few of the rules on the Wiki.

I would be happy to serve on a governing body of Talossan Football, and could likely organize a group of students of college age to play test.  While this would likely take place on a grass field, I would encourage the TFL to consider sand as one possible surface, such as at Canard Colesseum, or ice to support play in Péngöpäts.  Perhaps a good starting point would be to start a section under Wittenberg:Special Interests?

xpb

Not all provinces may have currently have the needed open space for a field, thus it might be of interest for some to have shared stadiums.

Some possible locations include:

An existing gridiron field in Benito centered upon https://w3w.co/trace.line.jacket

South of the Linwood Water Treatment Plant in Vuode centered upon https://w3w.co/labels.tone.curry
actually https://w3w.co/gone.limes.fixed

In Veterans Park within Maritiimi-Maxhestic centered upon https://w3w.co/purely.judge.common

An existing soccer field in Fiôvâ centered upon https://w3w.co/erase.monks.orchestra

etc.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 15, 2022, 06:22:15 PM
the "Rules to Talossan Football" page (http://wiki.talossa.com/Rules_to_Talossan_Football) say that Runners cannot catch, hold or carry the ball? It's weirder still since Runners can score touchdowns if they're in possession of the ball in an end zone, but how can they even possess the ball if they can't carry it?

Granted, I have not read all of the rules but from skimming over them, it sounds like they (the Runners) can only contact the ball like a volleyball player might. They can't catch or hold the ball, but they can manipulate one currently in flight, or scoop it off of the ground and toss it behind them in one motion.

So a simplistic play might involve the Keeper kick the ball to the Quebec who catches it and runs it up field, then drop-kicks it towards the goal and a Runner, facing the Quebec, punches it behind him for a touchdown.

That is how I interpret the rules surrounding Runners anyway.

I would also be interested in getting involved if we can get an organization revived or up and running.

Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 03:27:06 PM
So a simplistic play might involve the Keeper kick the ball to the Quebec who catches it and runs it up field, then drop-kicks it towards the goal and a Runner, facing the Quebec, punches it behind him for a touchdown.

(emphasis mine)
I'm having trouble understanding this part. For a touchdown, the ball must be touching the ground while being in possession of a valid player, similar to Rugby.

You're right. After going back and combing through it some more it doesn't make much sense. I thought maybe if you stretch the definition of "possession" to punching or hand balling but it still doesn't make sense when they have to do it backwards, I.e away from the goal you're attacking.

So sorry for butting in, carry on. :)