Your highness,
@King Txec, due to some difficulties I have with the way certain issues are being handled by certain individuals within Talossa and my inability to understand the hatred for one citizen by a few others. I hereby step down from my position as Attorney General and renounce my seats in the Cosa and finally I renounce my citizenship. Until the recent hatred for one citizen I had really enjoyed my time as a Talossan but if someone can be ostracized because, in the opinion of some, he didn't apologize enough, then I want nothing to do with this country.
@Breneir Tzaracomprada I am sorry for what you are being put through, I read your apology and for what it is worth I think it is well stated and well intended, I do not understand the hatred being directed at you and honestly I feel that certain other citizens here owe YOU an apology. Long live the King!
I acknowledge your resignation, but I hope you will change your mind about leaving the country. You have always talked yourself down and thought that you didn't belong, but that's never been true. You've been an exemplary member of the government, and I will carry forth your insights on the law and fix what you found, even if you do go.
I do recognize that this remains an uncomfortable situation with Breneir. It's hard to hold the line on this and say that if someone wants to rehabilitate themselves, the first step is accepting responsibility. It would be a lot easier to shrug and say that it's been a year since he harassed another citizen, so let's just sweep it under the rug. But sometimes you have to do the right thing, even if it's awkward and difficult.
I hope you change your mind.
Pursuant to Article X, Section 4 of the Organic Law, with a heavy heart the Chancery acknowledges S:r Tric'hard Lenxheir's renunciation of citizenship and accordingly issues the present to serve as Writ of Termination.
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Sir Lüc da Schir, UrB
Secretary of State
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on April 15, 2026, 12:09:55 AMYour highness, @King Txec, due to some difficulties I have with the way certain issues are being handled by certain individuals within Talossa and my inability to understand the hatred for one citizen by a few others. I hereby step down from my position as Attorney General and renounce my seats in the Cosa and finally I renounce my citizenship. Until the recent hatred for one citizen I had really enjoyed my time as a Talossan but if someone can be ostracized because, in the opinion of some, he didn't apologize enough, then I want nothing to do with this country. @Breneir Tzaracomprada I am sorry for what you are being put through, I read your apology and for what it is worth I think it is well stated and well intended, I do not understand the hatred being directed at you and honestly I feel that certain other citizens here owe YOU an apology. Long live the King!
Tric'hard, I will echo Alexandreu's wish that you reconsider and return to the Kingdom. You have been contributing to our national culture with the Hockey League and other activities and your humility is a breath of fresh air honestly. I am deeply grateful for your moral courage in calling out what has become a campaign of name-calling by Miestra and Alexandreu primarily with small and regrettable contributions by others. I have heard from a few in the URL and PA in private but your public comments really took some serious cojones.
We need that courage and humility in Talossa so please consider returning.
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on April 15, 2026, 12:09:55 AMUntil the recent hatred for one citizen I had really enjoyed my time as a Talossan but if someone can be ostracized because, in the opinion of some, he didn't apologize enough, then I want nothing to do with this country.
The person in question is being ostracised because of prolonged sexual harassment, and because he has never accepted responsibility for his own actions and the harm he caused, but merely apologised for his victim ostensibly misinterpreting things, as if it's the victim's fault for feeling harassed. He has since decided to frame the backlash against him as some sort of vendetta campaign against him either personally or politically, and hopes that if he just waits for long enough and broadcasts his own one-sided story loud enough, the average person gets fed up and demands that the harasser be allowed to get away with it.
It saddens me to see that his tactics are working.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on April 15, 2026, 12:31:41 PMHe has since decided to frame the backlash against him as some sort of vendetta campaign against him either personally or politically
Repeatedly calling someone a sex pest and a predator is a campaign of hatred. Bringing a family member into a political attack is unacceptable. I have heard from one person that even more outrageous claims have been made against me in private. It is no surprise that people are getting tired of this, Marcel.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 15, 2026, 12:42:42 PMRepeatedly calling someone a sex pest and a predator is a campaign of hatred. Bringing a family member into a political attack is unacceptable. I have heard from one person that even more outrageous claims have been made against me in private. It is no surprise that people are getting tired of this, Marcel.
I, too, am tired of your dishonest framing and incessant self-victimisation, as are most people involved, I imagine. Ideally, you would've taken responsibility for your hurtful actions
a year ago, instead of lashing out for a bit and turning your lack of responsibility into your personal campaign bus, and we collectively could've moved on from this.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on April 15, 2026, 12:59:35 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 15, 2026, 12:42:42 PMRepeatedly calling someone a sex pest and a predator is a campaign of hatred. Bringing a family member into a political attack is unacceptable. I have heard from one person that even more outrageous claims have been made against me in private. It is no surprise that people are getting tired of this, Marcel.
I, too, am tired of your dishonest framing and incessant self-victimisation, as are most people involved, I imagine. Ideally, you would've taken responsibility for your hurtful actions a year ago, instead of lashing out for a bit and turning your lack of responsibility into your personal campaign bus, and we collectively could've moved on from this.
You can move on with it when you accept the two apologies I already made, Marcel. Only one of us is currently lashing out and it is you attempting to ostracize.
@Tric'hard Lenxheir I'm very sad to see that you have left us. I hope in time you will come back. I enjoyed the talks we had and you brought new ideas to the kingdom.
-Txec R
What Marcel accepts or doesn't accept is irrelevant, it's what the actual victim (Lüc) accepts
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on April 15, 2026, 05:31:05 PMWhat Marcel accepts or doesn't accept is irrelevant, it's what the actual victim (Lüc) accepts
Miestra I think the architects of the ostracizing and their terms is actually quite relevant. No one could argue that the Secretary of State's willingness to accept the apologies is of vital importance but it does not erase the fact that apologies have been made, actions have changed, and the behavior of the people who are attempting to ostracize is driving people out of the Kingdom.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 15, 2026, 05:40:28 PMMiestra I think the architects of the ostracizing and their terms is actually quite relevant. No one could argue that the Secretary of State's willingness to accept the apologies is of vital importance but it does not erase the fact that apologies have been made, actions have changed, and the behavior of the people who are attempting to ostracize is driving people out of the Kingdom.
I have no idea what you're even arguing here.
The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on April 15, 2026, 05:42:25 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 15, 2026, 05:40:28 PMMiestra I think the architects of the ostracizing and their terms is actually quite relevant. No one could argue that the Secretary of State's willingness to accept the apologies is of vital importance but it does not erase the fact that apologies have been made, actions have changed, and the behavior of the people who are attempting to ostracize is driving people out of the Kingdom.
I have no idea what you're even arguing here.
The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.
Yes, man up and make a third apology rather than refer you back to those already made.
And ignore the name-calling of those who claim to be building a culture of respect and decency.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 15, 2026, 05:44:00 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on April 15, 2026, 05:42:25 PMI have no idea what you're even arguing here.
The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.
Yes, man up and make a third apology rather than refer you back to those already made.
And ignore the name-calling of those who claim to be building a culture of respect and decency.
You can make as many half-hearted and non-serious 'apologies' as you want, if your victim doesn't accept them then they're not worth anything.
Of course, if you want to make excuses, feel free.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on April 15, 2026, 05:48:47 PMQuote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 15, 2026, 05:44:00 PMQuote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on April 15, 2026, 05:42:25 PMI have no idea what you're even arguing here.
The "terms" are that you man up and take responsibility for your actions, in such a way that Lüc, the victim of your harassment, accepts it. That's it.
Yes, man up and make a third apology rather than refer you back to those already made.
And ignore the name-calling of those who claim to be building a culture of respect and decency.
You can make as many half-hearted and non-serious 'apologies' as you want, if your victim doesn't accept them then they're not worth anything.
Of course, if you want to make excuses, feel free.
OK, Marcel. I am unable to reach Tric'hard as I don't have personal contact but I would urge those who do to please reach out and encourage him directly to return to the Kingdom.
With the greatest respect to Tric'hard, Talossa includes 14 year old kids, and Geek Social Fallacy #1 (https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/) - "ostracizers are evil" - is cancerous to any community it takes hold in. There has always been an issue in Talossa with impunity for acting the verpa; indeed, that's an issue in most walks of life. So for me, this is something of an existential struggle for the "soul" of Talossa.
Tric'hard decided that imposing social consequences on an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency), and not backing down from it, was much worse than being an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu, and was ruining his fun. That's his prerogative. It's suggested that the URL might be in political trouble if a lot of people think like that. But if a lot of people think like that, then Talossa is perhaps not worth defending. I have spent near three decades in Talossa and "sticking to a principle no matter how unpopular it makes you" has generally served me well.
Nevertheless: apologise to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts and this is all over as a public political campaign.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on April 15, 2026, 06:08:28 PMWith the greatest respect to Tric'hard, Talossa includes 14 year old kids, and Geek Social Fallacy #1 (https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/) - "ostracizers are evil" - is cancerous to any community it takes hold in. There has always been an issue in Talossa with impunity for acting the verpa; indeed, that's an issue in most walks of life. So for me, this is something of an existential struggle for the "soul" of Talossa.
Tric'hard decided that imposing social consequences on an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency), and not backing down from it, was much worse than being an unrepentant sex pest condemned unanimously by the Ziu, and was ruining his fun. That's his prerogative. It's suggested that the URL might be in political trouble if a lot of people think like that. But if a lot of people think like that, then Talossa is perhaps not worth defending. I have spent near three decades in Talossa and "sticking to a principle no matter how unpopular it makes you" has generally served me well.
Nevertheless: apologise to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts and this is all over as a public political campaign.
Where did I say ostracizers are evil? I pointed to the effect of your public political campaign which is generally the sullying of Wittenberg (diminishing returns as a wise one called it) and now specifically causing one of our most active citizens to renounce. I do think that calling someone a sex pest, a predator, a verpa, and other things in private (I have been informed) are not aligning with the supposed goal of standing up for decency and protecting victims.
For me this about being consistent and standing up for my own values and identity as a disciple of beauty in life, about standing up to bullying, and remaining firm when the goalposts are moved.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on April 15, 2026, 06:08:28 PMI have spent near three decades in Talossa and "sticking to a principle no matter how unpopular it makes you" has generally served me well.
Right?! That is exactly what I am doing...
Quote from: Tric'hard Lenxheir on April 15, 2026, 12:09:55 AMYour highness, @King Txec, due to some difficulties I have with the way certain issues are being handled by certain individuals within Talossa and my inability to understand the hatred for one citizen by a few others. I hereby step down from my position as Attorney General and renounce my seats in the Cosa and finally I renounce my citizenship. Until the recent hatred for one citizen I had really enjoyed my time as a Talossan but if someone can be ostracized because, in the opinion of some, he didn't apologize enough, then I want nothing to do with this country. @Breneir Tzaracomprada I am sorry for what you are being put through, I read your apology and for what it is worth I think it is well stated and well intended, I do not understand the hatred being directed at you and honestly I feel that certain other citizens here owe YOU an apology. Long live the King!
Well this is confusing.
Question:
Suppose someone, already with a reputation for harrassing coworkers they had an argument with, worked in an office and they had some sort of videocall meeting. They have an argument with a colleague they aren't friendly with. Then, instead of responding to the points raised, they start making creepy remarks, in front of everyone in the meeting, about how their colleagues looks good.
So, the next day they are called into HR and they are told 'we received some complaints and are told you made this coworker uncomfortable during your meeting'. They respond with 'I was just giving compliments because they are so handsome'. The HR person explains to them that this is inappropriate and they should stop and apologise. Then, instead of doing that he just sends a company wide email telling everyone that he was just giving compliments because their coworker is so pretty and if that makes them uncomfortable they should tell them themselves instead of reporting to HR.
Do you think theyd still have a job the next day?
Fwiw, I am sorry to see you go. I enjoyed your contributions to Talossan culture and fantasy sports and your independent approach to Talossan politics.
As for Breneir, I don't hate him, because I don't know him well enough for that, but I do wish he'd just leave at this point. He's clearly incapable of reflecting on his own actions. The "apology" is really just more evidence of that, because his "compliments" were clearly not given in good faith to begin with (which should be pretty obvious from the context to anyone who saw the original remarks. My own intepretation is that he was being very condescending) and because he doubled down repeatedly many times after knowing it made Lüc uncomfortable. To then explicitly deny any malicious intent and only apologise for how his comments were received is entirely unserious.
It really isn't just some vendetta by AD and Miestră. I haven't been particularly active lately, but I'm pretty sure a majority of active Talossans would be happy to see Breneir gone at this point. Clearly this isnt going away any time soon, which makes me wonder why he is still here just to argue with people that don't want anything to do with him.
Quote from: Glüc on April 18, 2026, 07:49:29 PMFwiw, I am sorry to see you go. I enjoyed your contributions to Talossan culture and fantasy sports and your independent approach to Talossan politics.
Tric'hard, I echo this particular part of Gluc's comments and hope that you will one day return to the Kingdom.
Someone explain Brenier's crime to me like I was ten years old. He said he thought Lüc was cute? Is there more that I happened to miss?
Quote from: Iason Taiwos on April 18, 2026, 10:58:24 PMSomeone explain Brenier's crime to me like I was ten years old. He said he thought Lüc was cute? Is there more that I happened to miss?
https://database.talossa.com/ziu/bills/61RZ13
No-one is suggesting that Breneir has committed any crime under Talossan or other law. If he had, we would have taken him to Cort. I think Glüc explained it perfectly in grown-up terms (https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=5209.msg42666#msg42666). But if you want it explained in ten-year-old terms:
he said something creepy that upset our friend. Our friend's still upset about that. We don't see why we have to play nice with him if he doesn't make it right with our friend.One of the problems with dealing with vesneir behaviour (and I should explain here, "vesneir" is the Talossan word for
asshole) is that it can be very upsetting and annoying and deserve sanction, but not be a crime. The threshold for criminalizing behaviour should be
very high. The proper response to criminal behaviour is the Law. The proper response to non-criminal vesneir behaviour is
informal social responses such as social pressure, shunning, etc.
These are necessary and healthy ways of keeping a community safe. You've got to confront bad behaviour
even if it's not a crime. And can I just give
@Baron Alexandreu Davinescu deserved credit, here because I think it was his idea to put up a non-binding resolution to the Ziu that we could simply point at (https://wiki.talossa.com/Law:61RZ13_Sense_of_the_Ziu:_A_First_Step_Towards_Decency) to indicate why Breneir is a nuisance and should be excluded from polite company until he changes his ways.
I believe Breneir can change his ways. All he has to do is to apologize to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts, and this ends.
I have apologized for the harm caused by my words. The issue is not the behavior which has been apologized for and has not continued. It is the perception that that apology wa insufficient and the subsequent public political campaign that has followed.
I will continue to behave as a good citizen despite this campaign.
Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on April 19, 2026, 03:32:27 PMI believe Breneir can change his ways. All he has to do is to apologize to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts, and this ends.
I endorse this 100%. A real apology, rather than "I'm sorry if you felt harmed by my completely okay actions" would be great for everyone and show that he felt that his behavior was
actually wrong.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on April 19, 2026, 04:01:01 PMI have apologized for the harm caused by my words. The issue is not the behavior which has been apologized for and has not continued. It is the perception that that apology was insufficient and the subsequent public political campaign that has followed.
I will continue to behave as a good citizen despite this campaign.
Bump.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2026, 11:14:05 AMQuote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on April 19, 2026, 03:32:27 PMI believe Breneir can change his ways. All he has to do is to apologize to Lüc in a way that Lüc accepts, and this ends.
I endorse this 100%. A real apology, rather than "I'm sorry if you felt harmed by my completely okay actions" would be great for everyone and show that he felt that his behavior was actually wrong.
I've given up on it, for the benefit of my own mental health and the passion I have for the office I hold, but yeah, pretty much.