What is your name?
Caleb Frenibuerg
What is your request?
If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs.
What is your favourite colour?
Green
As proxy for the Dean, I hereby assign the Obliviously Auditing Fellow,
@Mic'haglh Autófil , to handle this request.
-Noir Raven Herald
After some discussion with the applicant, we have reached the following as a proposal:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946207216275443735/953385920474804234/Frenibuerg.png)
Vert, a chevron Or, between a hand couped, a lion, and a heart all of the second.
The hand, for giving; the heart, for caring; the lion, for courage.
- OAF
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.
-REH
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 15, 2022, 04:40:02 PM
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.
-REH
I was more attempting to avoid confusion with the arms of either Baron Hooligan or Sir Davinescu, which is why gold was used for the chevron. Were there other CoA's you had in mind?
- OAF
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 15, 2022, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 15, 2022, 04:40:02 PM
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.
-REH
I was more attempting to avoid confusion with the arms of either Baron Hooligan or Sir Davinescu, which is why gold was used for the chevron. Were there other CoA's you had in mind?
- OAF
I can see that and it will probably be ok. You need to denote the position of the lion also. I believe it would "a lion rampant."
-REH
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 15, 2022, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 15, 2022, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 15, 2022, 04:40:02 PM
The arms may be too similar visually to a few other CoA's. The upraised hand on green, while gold, could possibly not pass muster of the SKA.
-REH
I was more attempting to avoid confusion with the arms of either Baron Hooligan or Sir Davinescu, which is why gold was used for the chevron. Were there other CoA's you had in mind?
- OAF
I can see that and it will probably be ok. You need to denote the position of the lion also. I believe it would "a lion rampant."
-REH
It could also be a lion salient, since both back feet are on the ground.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_(heraldry)#:~:text=A%20%22lion%20sejant%22%20is%20sitting,both%20forepaws%20on%20the%20ground.&text=A%20%22lion%20sejant%20erect%22%20is,%22sejant%2Drampant%22).&text=A%20%22lion%20couchant%22%20is%20lying,but%20with%20the%20head%20raised.
-REH
I would advise that it would be rampant, since salient is very rare and depicts the moment of a lion's leap, according to Fox-Davies, which doesn't seem to be the case with this emblazonment.
In which case, rampant is normally omitted from blazons as the sort of "default" attitude for animal charges like lions, no?
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on March 15, 2022, 10:13:28 PM
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.
Right! I knew I had seen a very similar CoA. I'd suggest this particular version might need to be changed so as not to closely resemble Ian's.
-REH
I apologize for any inconveniences made.
Quote from: Caleb Frenibuerg on March 15, 2022, 11:17:24 PM
I apologize for any inconveniences made.
No worries! This is all part of the process. No harm done. We will get you a grant of arms you can be proud of!
-REH
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on March 15, 2022, 10:13:28 PM
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on March 15, 2022, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on March 15, 2022, 10:13:28 PM
Excuse my interjection, and not to be a party pooper, but the gold chevron on the green background may be reminding you of my arms. The charges are also in the same three positions.
Right! I knew I had seen a very similar CoA. I'd suggest this particular version might need to be changed so as not to closely resemble Ian's.
-REH
Makes sense. We
may want to add S:reu Plätschisch' arms to the wiki then, too -- that's what I'm using to double-check things, unless there's a link to Burk's somewhere.
Quote from: Caleb Frenibuerg on March 15, 2022, 11:17:24 PM
I apologize for any inconveniences made.
No apologies necessary! This is...probably a common occurrence in colleges of arms around the world, I wager.
- OAF
After a brief consultation with the applicant, I would submit the following alterations:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953076308882100334/953516959453024306/Frenibuerg.png)
Per chevron vert and argent, in chief a hand couped and lion of the second, and in base a heart of the first.
Using a division of the field instead of an ordinary is intended to avoid the issues of confusion with the arms of Baron Hooligan, Sir Davinescu, and S:reu Plätschisch. I will admit that the gold was intended to also help differentiate, and so I may have undone that differentiation by moving back to argent, but I feel like it provides better contrast, especially given the charges.
- OAF
I had thought the wiki was up to date, so hopefully some digging can be done with previous grants that aren't on the site yet.
-REH
Sometimes in this circumstance, altering the line of partition can be helpful. Right now it's a simple chevron vert and argent, but it could be engrailed, embattled, or wavy. The change looks fine to me, but just suggesting another route to take with your previous submission if the potential armiger liked it more.
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 16, 2022, 07:51:44 AM
Sometimes in this circumstance, altering the line of partition can be helpful. Right now it's a simple chevron vert and argent, but it could be engrailed, embattled, or wavy. The change looks fine to me, but just suggesting another route to take with your previous submission if the potential armiger liked it more.
-NRH
This is a good point, and not something I usually think about, if I'm honest.
Just bumping this thread to see what the next steps are, in order to prevent our requester from having to wait much longer.
Quote from: Mic'haglh Autófil on March 22, 2022, 04:20:03 PM
Just bumping this thread to see what the next steps are, in order to prevent our requester from having to wait much longer.
The Dean (or his proxy) will submit the arms for final approval from the Squirrel King of Arms, and in the next Day of Honor, the King will award the honor to the new armiger.
-REH