What is your name? Carlüs Éocart Vilaçafat
What is your request? If it so please the Squirrel King of Arms, I request the assistance of the College in designing and obtaining arms for myself and my lawful heirs.
What is your favourite colour? Purple, but green is a close second.
On behalf of the dean, the Oblivious Auditing Fellow is assigned to handle this request. If in need of any assistance, I'd advise asking the Rouge Elephant Herald,
@Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM , for advice.
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 19, 2022, 12:35:37 PM
On behalf of the dean, the Oblivious Auditing Fellow is assigned to handle this request. If in need of any assistance, I'd advise asking the Rouge Elephant Herald, @Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM , for advice.
-NRH
My assistance is but a request away.
- REH
After much deliberation and conversation with the armiger (myself) and with the assistance of the Rouge Elephant Herald, I present the Arms of Carlüs Vilaçafat for approval.
Blazon: Per fess trefly counter-trefly, argent and vert. In chief two roses proper and in base a cinquefoil or.
Emblazon attached.
I like it, generally. Lot of argent and vert around here these days, but it's pretty. I'm not familiar with this line of division, though. It helps create an interesting garden sort of effect, since the trefoil is basically a floral element and you have the roses and a cinqefoil on there, too, but I am dubious -- seems likely to be a very modern innovation.
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 20, 2022, 03:19:56 PM
I like it, generally. Lot of argent and vert around here these days, but it's pretty. I'm not familiar with this line of division, though. It helps create an interesting garden sort of effect, since the trefoil is basically a floral element and you have the roses and a cinqefoil on there, too, but I am dubious -- seems likely to be a very modern innovation.
-NRH
A modern innovation perhaps, in the same vein as the more traditional "fleury counter-fleury"
I hear you Baron, I will go back to the drawing board, adjust the tinctures and rein it in a little ;)
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 20, 2022, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 20, 2022, 03:19:56 PM
I like it, generally. Lot of argent and vert around here these days, but it's pretty. I'm not familiar with this line of division, though. It helps create an interesting garden sort of effect, since the trefoil is basically a floral element and you have the roses and a cinqefoil on there, too, but I am dubious -- seems likely to be a very modern innovation.
-NRH
A modern innovation perhaps, in the same vein as the more traditional "fleury counter-fleury"
I hear you Baron, I will go back to the drawing board, adjust the tinctures and rein it in a little ;)
Tinctures seem completely fine to me! I was just joking since I have argent and vert :)
There's a lot of different traditional lines -- if you're looking for something floral-feeling, you could engrail it, for example, or use rayonny (which is kind of like grass). Or if you want something complex specifically, dovetailing looks cool.
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 20, 2022, 04:20:27 PM
There's a lot of different traditional lines -- if you're looking for something floral-feeling, you could engrail it, for example, or use rayonny (which is kind of like grass). Or if you want something complex specifically, dovetailing looks cool.
-NRH
I was actually considering a potent division before I found the trefly counter-trefly, so I think I will go back to that one.
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 20, 2022, 04:20:27 PM
Tinctures seem completely fine to me! I was just joking since I have argent and vert :)
OK good! I wasn't sure because I know there are a couple argent/vert arms in the armory :)
Potent division makes sense to me! Fun fact: that term refers to an English walking-stick. I think when describing a division you also use the French (potenté), as opposed to a sort of semy potent.
Any symbolism with all of this, or you just like the design?
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 20, 2022, 05:09:29 PM
Any symbolism with all of this, or you just like the design?
-NRH
Well I love the look of the traditional heraldic roses, so I wanted that to be a main feature. The cinquefoil represents my family, because there are 5 of us. I kind of see it as the roses are my wife and I, watching over our family. In the original design I didn't even see the garden theme, but I am an avid gardener, so that makes sense as well.
Updated Blazon:
Per fess potenté, argent and vert. In chief two roses proper and in base a cinquefoil or.
Updated Emblazon attached.
That's very nice! Love the redesign.
-NRH
Very attractive arms. It's too bad this blazon just missed the Tafsut Imazighen Honours day. Perhaps the king can be moved to grant the arms on Juneau Day Honours (28 May) but it may also have to wait until St. Aaron's Day Honours on June 22.
-REH
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on April 20, 2022, 05:44:44 PM
Very attractive arms. It's too bad this blazon just missed the Tafsut Imazighen Honours day. Perhaps the king can be moved to grant the arms on Juneau Day Honours (28 May) but it may also have to wait until St. Aaron's Day Honours on June 22.
-REH
Oh I know, I just missed it! But that's alright, I can wait for a little bit.
Can I also register a badge? Do I have to wait for the arms to be granted before I can do that?
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
I really like this badge! Nice work.
-REH
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on April 21, 2022, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
I really like this badge! Nice work.
-REH
Thank you!
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
I believe we have cruelly burdened the Long Fellow with the task of badge registrar, if he doesn't mind?
Really love this badge. Beautiful design. I have no clue which version of potenty you would use... I think the French, as in your arms, because it's modifying the line and not the field?
-NRH
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
I believe we have cruelly burdened the Long Fellow with the task of badge registrar, if he doesn't mind?
Really love this badge. Beautiful design. I have no clue which version of potenty you would use... I think the French, as in your arms, because it's modifying the line and not the field?
-NRH
I would gladly add it to the registry on the wiki but I currently don't have privileges.
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
I believe we have cruelly burdened the Long Fellow with the task of badge registrar, if he doesn't mind?
Really love this badge. Beautiful design. I have no clue which version of potenty you would use... I think the French, as in your arms, because it's modifying the line and not the field?
-NRH
I would gladly add it to the registry on the wiki but I currently don't have privileges.
I already added it, but I'm sure we can get you Wiki editing rights (forgetting that The Long Fellow has been tasked with this, so apologies for that!). However, I'm not sure who to ask for that...
Quote from: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on April 21, 2022, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 21, 2022, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 21, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
The newly established guidelines for badges do not require any act of His Majesty, so I think you can register one whenever you want.
-NRH
OK great! In that case I would like to also register the badge below:
A lozenge vert with bordure potenty (potenté?) argent, and over all a bee or.
I believe we have cruelly burdened the Long Fellow with the task of badge registrar, if he doesn't mind?
Really love this badge. Beautiful design. I have no clue which version of potenty you would use... I think the French, as in your arms, because it's modifying the line and not the field?
-NRH
I would gladly add it to the registry on the wiki but I currently don't have privileges.
I already added it, but I'm sure we can get you Wiki editing rights (forgetting that The Long Fellow has been tasked with this, so apologies for that!). However, I'm not sure who to ask for that...
The government, specifically the minister of stuff, is tasked with administrating the wiki.
-NRH
If Carlüs makes a Wiki account and lets me know what it is, I'll grant it full Citizen rights
We should not be hasty in approving this CoA.
The Tudor Rose (or English Rose) is normally reserved. We may think of changing the charges, until and unless the armiger shows why he is entitled to them.
Dean BenArd
Quote from: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on April 23, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
We should not be hasty in approving this CoA.
The Tudor Rose (or English Rose) is normally reserved. We may think of changing the charges, until and unless the armiger shows why he is entitled to them.
Dean BenArd
I'm sorry Dean but I do not see any stipulation in the Talossan rules of heraldry that indicate the rose is reserved for those "entitled" in some way.
And according to the
GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED IN HERALDRY
by JAMES PARKER
FIRST PUBLISHED in 1894"Rose, (fr. rose): this flower is very frequently employed in coats of arms, and more frequently still in badges. "
Quote from: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on April 23, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
We should not be hasty in approving this CoA.
The Tudor Rose (or English Rose) is normally reserved. We may think of changing the charges, until and unless the armiger shows why he is entitled to them.
Dean BenArd
The blazon itself refers simply to a rose. The emblazon looks similar to a Tudor rose, but not exactly like it either, so perhaps the armiger could chose a rose with a different color center, such as this one: https://imgbin.com/png/zwExNXFe/heraldry-rose-png
Quote from: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on April 23, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
We should not be hasty in approving this CoA.
The Tudor Rose (or English Rose) is normally reserved. We may think of changing the charges, until and unless the armiger shows why he is entitled to them.
Dean BenArd
The Tudor Rose specifically has white inner petals. It's specific and symbolic, since the red and white each represented one of the Plantagenet houses. So while I appreciate the Dean's caution (and we should always shy away from haste!), I think this one is okay.
-NRH
The Tudor Rose is definitely a protected charge. However as my fellow heralds have pointed out, this is not a Tudor rose per se, though it looks similar.
The inner curvatures of the present petals do give the impression of a double rose. I would request the use of an ordinary 5 petaled rose, rather that the present one which gives the impression of a 10 petalled one.
Dean BenArd
NEH
Updated emblazon submitted for the approval of Dean Ardpresteir.
Quote from: Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat on April 25, 2022, 08:46:40 AM
Updated emblazon submitted for the approval of Dean Ardpresteir.
I see no reason whatsoever that this emblazon will not be accepted. Thanks.
-REH