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The Provinces => Benito => Topic started by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 23, 2020, 06:46:25 AM

Title: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 23, 2020, 06:46:25 AM
Estimats Peculiarists,

As the 54th Cosa wraps up, the time comes to look toward crafting our manifesto for the 55th.  There is some business that needs attending to as well, like the choosing of a new party leader. So here is my suggestion for a course of action:

Does this work for everyone?  We can make changes if not.

Also, just to get people's ideas bubbling for when we set to work on the manifesto, I've copied the 4 points of the last one below.

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1.) TOO @#$%& MANY PROVINCES- Any is too many. The provinces are a largely dead system that don't reflect anythng in particular. They should be abolished. Or, failing that, be distributed in order of seniority on a percentile system.

2.) NO @#$%& LAND!- You know what claim land they dont control? Bug nations. Land claims to Milwaukee deny reality and are holding Talossa back. It is behavior that is unbecoming of the greatest experimental polity known to humanity.

3.) NO @#$%& THRONE!- Nobody has the corner on Talossanity. Down with the Monarchy.

4.) FAILING THAT... @#$%& IT AND RENAME TALOSSA BENLAND- If Talossa is so moribund and tied to its past that it can no longer move, we'll just face facts and rename the nation Benland.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on June 23, 2020, 09:25:30 AM
esteemed co-peculiarists,

the suggested course of action works fine with me.

although i wasn't here when the old manifesto was prepared, i am all ten for it. concept of provinces requires larger active and diverse population, which we do not have. claiming real land which we do not own should be either strictly specified as symbolic or abandoned at all. i am neutral to monarchy in general, i am against absolutist and hereditary monarchy, but constitutional elective monarchy is fine with me, i do not really mind calling this political power president or king, but i have to admit, kings have a special flavour (not speaking in my power of vampire, but as a citizen of one sad republic). proclaiming benland would be an honest act of admitting, if valid, that talossa was not able to transpose from the old times to the new ones. i would do anything to have talossa instead of benland.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 24, 2020, 06:32:18 AM
Alrighty!  Do we have any nominations for party leader?
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on June 24, 2020, 12:24:20 PM
Alrighty!  Do we have any nominations for party leader?

hereby, i nominate eiric s. bornatfiglheu for a position of NPW leader.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Iason Taiwos on June 24, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
I second that nomination
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 25, 2020, 04:02:50 PM
I accept said nomination.

Are there any other nominations?
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 28, 2020, 02:18:03 PM
Alright.  Since there is but one nomination, we can handle this by consensus.  Is there any opposition to Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu continuing as head of the NPW party?
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on June 29, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
Seeing none, let it carry that Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu will continue as head of the NPW.  He will retain the title of "Chisleu Bruno" for the next term as well.

Excellent!  Thank you for placing your trust in me for another term.

Let's now look at refining our manifesto.  There seems to be pretty widespread support for continuing with these four points (or something like them).  But let's see if we cannot maybe expand it a little bit.  So, I'd like to place point one on the floor for discussion:

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1.) TOO @#$%& MANY PROVINCES- Any is too many. The provinces are a largely dead system that don't reflect anything in particular. They should be abolished. Or, failing that, be distributed in order of seniority on a percentile system.

What discussion is there on this point?
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on July 01, 2020, 02:31:15 AM
Seeing none, let it carry that Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu will continue as head of the NPW.  He will retain the title of "Chisleu Bruno" for the next term as well.

Excellent!  Thank you for placing your trust in me for another term.

Let's now look at refining our manifesto.  There seems to be pretty widespread support for continuing with these four points (or something like them).  But let's see if we cannot maybe expand it a little bit.  So, I'd like to place point one on the floor for discussion:

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1.) TOO @#$%& MANY PROVINCES- Any is too many. The provinces are a largely dead system that don't reflect anything in particular. They should be abolished. Or, failing that, be distributed in order of seniority on a percentile system.

What discussion is there on this point?

congratz, chisleu bruno :)

existence of province should be limited by number of active citizens (not those formally assigned), otherwise we create ephemeral entities inhabited by gogolian dead souls. and once i am radical, why not to create provinces ad hoc, when there are people who want to talossan together. these provinces may take traditional names or new ones, they need not to be located on solid ground, as i also oppose talossa claiming some territory of canon state. talossa is bound to a land of its origin, of the tradition (like pengöpäts or cézembre), of talossan people, but territorial claims (and generally any secessionism, even rhetorical or fun-meant) are childish. lot of place may mean and be talossa, without claims. talossa is mostly place in me.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on July 01, 2020, 02:06:35 PM
Though if we simply reduce provinces to affinity groups, how do they then differ from, say, political parties?  I'm actually somewhat fascinated with the idea of sorting everybody by seniority, and then apportioning provinces based on percentile of the system.  That way, there's at least some form of "connected interest" in them.  But they certainly don't need to be geographical.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on July 02, 2020, 03:01:57 AM
Though if we simply reduce provinces to affinity groups, how do they then differ from, say, political parties?  I'm actually somewhat fascinated with the idea of sorting everybody by seniority, and then apportioning provinces based on percentile of the system.  That way, there's at least some form of "connected interest" in them.  But they certainly don't need to be geographical.

you may remember i am not 100% fan of polit.parties, so some kind of civil society, in which people aggregate according to not only their political views is more appealing to me. but i get your point. i do not want implement stuff from penguinea, but some kind of that time admin division (were it wapentakes?) representing civil power (not purely political), sound still good to me.

the seniority sorting has one slight problem - there is a plenty to divide people of the same age into non-coherent groups. imho, age is not good connected interest. me thinks, people of different age with a strong affinity of some kind would make better provinces/socio-political units. as there are in reality passive voters and active politicians, province may have a roof organisation made of these active people representing the province. we are so few, that direct democracy may work here too, so provinces may just hold conventions of a sort to decide stuff. more people will ask for representative democracy, but particularly in provinces we are far from it.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on July 02, 2020, 04:20:28 PM
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2.) NO @#$%& LAND!- You know what claim land they dont control? Bug nations. Land claims to Milwaukee deny reality and are holding Talossa back. It is behavior that is unbecoming of the greatest experimental polity known to humanity.

Let's look at this one, now.  I have no real problem with the concept.  Does anyone have an alternative to suggest?  Or even a positive alternative?
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Iason Taiwos on July 04, 2020, 01:12:31 AM
We have a shared culture, a language (even if few of us speak it fluently, many of us attempt to use it), a history...we somehow think of ourselves as Talossan. We identify ourselves as Talossan. We are a diaspora of people's with a common identity. In that sense, we are indeed a nation. We don't really need to claim any land. In fact, the land claims are absurd, and as Ian said, that's the kind of things bug nations do. You see all these micronational people wearing medals and sashes and claiming eight square feet as an independent country...good for them, I guess. If Talossa wants to be more than that, we should forget the land claims. Right now, my mobile home in Ohio is (probably) more Talossan than anything in Milwaukee. (Well, I have Talossan coins, a Talossan flag, and my copy of the Guizua is never far from reach...)
As for provinces, I think they're pretty useless at this time. Our population of active citizens is too small to make provinces mean anything. That may someday change, if we ever get enough new people coming in.
As for Peculiarism versus derivatism, why would anyone want to emulate real countries? We can do better than that.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on July 04, 2020, 06:55:19 AM
We have a shared culture, a language (even if few of us speak it fluently, many of us attempt to use it), a history...we somehow think of ourselves as Talossan. We identify ourselves as Talossan. We are a diaspora of people's with a common identity. In that sense, we are indeed a nation. We don't really need to claim any land. In fact, the land claims are absurd, and as Ian said, that's the kind of things bug nations do. You see all these micronational people wearing medals and sashes and claiming eight square feet as an independent country...good for them, I guess. If Talossa wants to be more than that, we should forget the land claims. Right now, my mobile home in Ohio is (probably) more Talossan than anything in Milwaukee. (Well, I have Talossan coins, a Talossan flag, and my copy of the Guizua is never far from reach...)
As for provinces, I think they're pretty useless at this time. Our population of active citizens is too small to make provinces mean anything. That may someday change, if we ever get enough new people coming in.
As for Peculiarism versus derivatism, why would anyone want to emulate real countries? We can do better than that.


where may i sign this?

NPW - we can do better than that is a catchy and teasingly ambiguous slogan
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on July 04, 2020, 08:12:02 AM
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3.) NO @#$%& THRONE!- Nobody has the corner on Talossanity. Down with the Monarchy.

How about this one?  I'm beginning to come around to the old Peculiar idea of a diarchy.  We have the king, but we also have an elected head of state (I've been calling the schac'h in my thinking).  Their powers alternate, with the King on odd Clarks, and the schac'h on even (or something like that).  Maybe with some sort of cross-check.  If the monarchy is so much fun, let's double the pleasure, double the fun!
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on July 08, 2020, 03:18:25 AM
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3.) NO @#$%& THRONE!- Nobody has the corner on Talossanity. Down with the Monarchy.

How about this one?  I'm beginning to come around to the old Peculiar idea of a diarchy.  We have the king, but we also have an elected head of state (I've been calling the schac'h in my thinking).  Their powers alternate, with the King on odd Clarks, and the schac'h on even (or something like that).  Maybe with some sort of cross-check.  If the monarchy is so much fun, let's double the pleasure, double the fun!

i have no problem with a lifelong king/queen, once he/she is elected and may be legally deposed under certain conditions. why not to have a strong quadrangle of powers (monarch, government, parliament, justice) instead of a triangle.

rotating monarchs might be fun, but i am afraid not to end with more monarchs than active citizens ;)
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on July 08, 2020, 11:37:04 AM
I'm not thinking a rotating monarch (though there are things in that ideal that appeal to me) but a system where we have Co-Heads of State.  The Regeu and the Schac'h share powers, but are chosen by differing methods.  The Regeu would be the current King, while the Schac'h is chosen by election periodically (I was thinking every 2 years?  Or maybe whenever a complete cycle of Senats elections happens).

I see legislative powers alternating (Regeu gets odd Clarks, Schac'h gets even, as an example), with a veto from the "inactive" member possible.  This would sate a certain Republican impulse while retaining the King.  Plus, it's Even More Novel than Monarchy!
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on July 15, 2020, 07:06:44 AM
i am sorry for lagged participation, we have a kind of local disaster here (electricity shortage for our house) and my leave started, so we tend to run off the powerless house and my connection in our runaways is not always optimal.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu on July 15, 2020, 07:15:44 AM
Sorry to hear that!  I hope everybody is safe, at least.
Title: Re: [NPW CONVENTION]: When Life Gives You Limes, have a Margarita Party
Post by: Ián S.G. Txaglh on July 20, 2020, 11:43:16 AM
Sorry to hear that!  I hope everybody is safe, at least.

save we are, gottseindank, but it is still not solved ;) optimistically this week, we'll see.