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Title: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on September 24, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
I'm frustrated! It has been 54 days since the king has logged into Witt. Numerous emails have gone unanswered. Countless nominations have not been confirmed. When is enough going to be enough? I like King John personally. I spent a delightful evening with him and Hooligan a few years back. I know at least one person who called him recently and all seems to be fine with him personally. When will we demand our king come and do his duty?
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 24, 2020, 07:09:48 PM
The Government has, in fact, discussed this issue, and even reached out to the Leader of the Opposition on the subject.

This is of course the problem with the monarchy, as I've been saying for 23 years. There are no political forms of accountability, so if "informal" forms don't work - i.e. asking him nicely to come and do his job - then we have to either "grin and bear it"; or go to dethronement.

OrgLaw II.4 states:

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In dire circumstances, when the King is judged by competent medical authority to be incapable of executing his duties, or if he is convicted by the Talossan Uppermost Cort of violation of this Organic Law, treason, bribery, nonfeasance endangering the safety, order or good government of the Kingdom, or other high crimes, the nation may remove the King from the Throne. The Cosa shall pronounce by a two-thirds vote, with the approval of the Senäts, that the King is to be removed, and this pronouncement shall immediately be transmitted to the people for their verdict in a referendum. If a two-thirds majority of the people concur, the King is removed.

The bolded bits seem relevant. Of course, the alternative would be an OrgLaw amendment to just delete Organic Law II.3, which would actually have a lesser threshhold (only a bare majority in the Senäts and in referendum!) But of course, no OrgLaw amendment or dethronement can happen, under current political realities, without the backing of the League of Center Conservatives in the Cosa.

My guess would be that the prospect of getting agreement for the procedure laid out in II.4 would be more likely than for just deleting II.3 - which would require taking a case to the UC that the King just not being here or doing anything (appointing the SoS or the Cabinet, among other things) endangers our safety, order and good government.

The question of at what point such a case is likely to win - i.e. how much the King's absence can be tolerated before it actually starts to hurt the fabric of the Nation - is one I am leaving up to the Attorney-General right now. Poor guy gets all the crappy jobs.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: DNVercaria on September 25, 2020, 05:13:33 PM
Everyone who's trying to dethrone a sitting King for howsoever good reasons will have to do a crappy job that might shake and break the nationette. Incapable Presidents with a constitutionally limited term could be disposed with less ruckus, simply by waiting for the next regular election.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 25, 2020, 11:04:25 PM
I should point out that the Minister of STUFF emailed the King about moving kingdomoftalossa.net to the same server as our other domain names, and he responded promptly and positively. So he's at least doing something.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Ián Tamorán S.H. on September 26, 2020, 09:35:42 AM
My answer to the question posed by this thread is ..

NO an Absent Ruler is not a Ruler

Let us deal with it, let us act...
...let us act soon.

John - you are a nice guy. Your Majesty, in your office you are incompetent.

.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: NRB on September 29, 2020, 09:55:28 PM
hey do you folks enjoy art?

Here is an 18th century engraving by Georg Heinrich Sieveking.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Hinrichtung_Ludwig_des_XVI.png/1024px-Hinrichtung_Ludwig_des_XVI.png)
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on September 29, 2020, 11:58:16 PM
La gitxostină revindicarha sieu premxhă sangün

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekoxIb85rww
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: DNVercaria on September 30, 2020, 05:08:08 PM
King John may be demonstrating some of the innate flaws of monarchy, but he does not compare to Henri Capet. Let's not forget that he did not undeservedly inherit the throne; it's the opposite, as a Talossan hero he has been asked and elected to walk in the far too big shoes of a monarch. I wish he would give way to a constitutional reform that abolishes monarchy posthaste, but I'm finding it inappropriate and an undue lack of respect to post guillotine jokes in the context of the current frustration with the lax performance of our head of the state.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Éovart Andrinescù on September 30, 2020, 05:19:00 PM
And for every Bastille, there will be an 18 Brumaire…
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: NRB on September 30, 2020, 05:24:21 PM
King John may be demonstrating some of the innate flaws of monarchy, but he does not compare to Henri Capet. Let's not forget that he did not undeservedly inherit the throne; it's the opposite, as a Talossan hero he has been asked and elected to walk in the far too big shoes of a monarch. I wish he would give way to a constitutional reform that abolishes monarchy posthaste, but I'm finding it inappropriate and an undue lack of respect to post guillotine jokes in the context of the current frustration with the lax performance of our head of the state.

no jokes here! I was just posting art! sorry but I got lost when I was looking for the art thread.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on September 30, 2020, 05:44:21 PM
no jokes here! I was just posting art! sorry but I got lost when I was looking for the art thread.
Please, no need to be coy.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on September 30, 2020, 07:00:57 PM
I didn’t plan that my original post would evolve into talk of the Guillotine. I posited the question out of frustration of tasks that are going on without being done by our head of state. For example the fact that it has been 60 days since the king has come into these boards.
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: NRB on October 01, 2020, 08:45:04 AM
sic semper tyrannis
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on October 05, 2020, 10:05:25 AM
65 days...
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Açafat del Val on October 08, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
... 68 days ...
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Eðo Grischun on October 08, 2020, 05:07:23 PM
Shall we open a book on this? Who's good at working out bookie odds?
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: NRB on October 10, 2020, 04:51:34 PM
(https://media.tenor.co/images/3461e5e1c6741e28cef5e60607283fd8/raw)
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on October 10, 2020, 11:55:54 PM
70 days...
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Açafat del Val on October 14, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
73 now!
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Açafat del Val on October 14, 2020, 11:53:09 AM
For various reasons, I have found myself unable to keep up with necessary work around here.  I don't see the situation changing in the immediate future, and I'm about to leave town for a while during which I'll have very spotty access to the internet.  Sir Alexandreu Davinescu has graciously agreed to act as Regent for the time being, and so ...

We JOHN by the Grace of God King of Talossa and of all its Realms and Regions, King of Cézembre, etc. etc., do hereby appoint Sir Alexandreu to serve as Our Regent, until further notice.  Done under Our hand Royal at the city of Centennial in Colorado, this 14th day of October in the year of salvation 2020, the 41st of the independence of Talossa, and of Our Reign the fifteenth.

John Regeu

(https://media.giphy.com/media/BzMQqBgHWNoAI3jayr/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Éovart Andrinescù on October 14, 2020, 03:53:42 PM
How do you say 'bruh' in Talossan?
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 14, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
Frauh
Title: Re: Can an Absent Ruler Still Be a Ruler?
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on October 14, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
How do you say 'bruh' in Talossan?

Slang does not translate well at all. If you must, you could say "frat" or something.