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Title: ID Card out of date
Post by: xpb on February 04, 2021, 10:07:09 PM
My ID card appears to be seriously out of date!  Who do I need to contact in  the Civil Service?
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on February 10, 2021, 08:53:17 PM
Wow!

One used to get ID Cards earlier?
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: xpb on February 13, 2021, 01:25:22 PM
Wow!

One used to get ID Cards earlier?

Perhaps we can make new ones of a different format such as https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=704.msg5634#msg5634
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 13, 2021, 01:36:53 PM
Wow!

One used to get ID Cards earlier?
I used to send them to any citizen who requested one.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Kostya Shvidenko on March 15, 2021, 03:38:31 AM
Wow!

One used to get ID Cards earlier?

Perhaps we can make new ones of a different format such as https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=704.msg5634#msg5634
И я такую хочу
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on April 15, 2021, 10:09:48 PM
If the crown relaunched this program in a different form, would there be interest?  His Majesty has the power to confer awards as a general matter, as well as arms, so perhaps a sort of armorial ID card might be in order?  It would be cool to not only have a photo but also a coat of arms on the card, after all.  And since I'm the one who did it last time, I have high confidence I could do it again.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: xpb on May 14, 2021, 04:04:48 PM
If the crown relaunched this program in a different form, would there be interest?  His Majesty has the power to confer awards as a general matter, as well as arms, so perhaps a sort of armorial ID card might be in order?  It would be cool to not only have a photo but also a coat of arms on the card, after all.  And since I'm the one who did it last time, I have high confidence I could do it again.

It would be great to have updated identification for the Kingdom of Talossa.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: DixhetFira on May 19, 2021, 07:53:40 PM
I agree, if these were available I would be interested in obtaining one.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on May 19, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
Glad to hear it, you guys! If I find my way into government next term, which obviously depends on who wins, I will make this happen. Otherwise, I will try to find some way under the auspices of another office or something.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on May 19, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
This will be one of the top priorities of the League of centre Conservative, a vote for us brings us closer piece Talossa you can hold in your hands.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on May 19, 2021, 08:38:46 PM
No matter who is in charge next month, make sure to redo the lettering. The Talossan text employed on the old ID cards is not only out of date since 2007 but also at times ungrammatical.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 02, 2022, 03:05:38 PM
I have a few months to do something in the Interior portfolio, and ID cards seems to be a very basic thing that I can do. If I get a design, I can make a requisition of funds to get them printed, and liaise with the Chancery to offer them to all citizens.

If the crown relaunched this program in a different form, would there be interest?  His Majesty has the power to confer awards as a general matter, as well as arms, so perhaps a sort of armorial ID card might be in order?  It would be cool to not only have a photo but also a coat of arms on the card, after all.  And since I'm the one who did it last time, I have high confidence I could do it again.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: xpb on January 04, 2022, 10:40:17 AM
I have a few months to do something in the Interior portfolio, and ID cards seems to be a very basic thing that I can do. If I get a design, I can make a requisition of funds to get them printed, and liaise with the Chancery to offer them to all citizens.

If the crown relaunched this program in a different form, would there be interest?  His Majesty has the power to confer awards as a general matter, as well as arms, so perhaps a sort of armorial ID card might be in order?  It would be cool to not only have a photo but also a coat of arms on the card, after all.  And since I'm the one who did it last time, I have high confidence I could do it again.
It would be of interest to have simple ID cards, but with investigation for organizations that develop those may turn up some that can also provide camouflage / fantasy passports such as one I obtained for the time I was working in Saudi Arabia and traveling in the middle east.  This was not intended to be presented at any actual border, but perhaps to hand to the nice man in the balaclava holding an AK-47 representing a non-governmental organization.  These may be useful to Talossans both for personal enjoyment and also potentially for personal security, and are typically accompanied by other club membership cards (Whiskey and Science Fiction?) or peripheral documents (Royal Heavy Opera Benefactor? Maritiimi-Maxhestic Yacht Club slip permit?) and perhaps visa stamps from the various provinces or Péngöpäts.  My estimate that such could be developed for $50-$60 US as I believe the Conch Republic sells theirs for $100 (https://conchrepublic.com/order-passports/) as a fundraiser (which could be another purpose for this activity)

(https://talossa.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/camo2-303.jpg)
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: xpb on January 04, 2022, 11:04:31 AM
An interim step towards funding of IDs or Passports would be to get a custom stamp made (approx. $20) to issue Visas to the Kingdom of Talossa of a duration of 2 to 5 years (to make them reasonably durable) where the holder of one of these other documents could send them with a self addressed stamped envelope for return and charge say ℓ6¤25 or $10USD for processing (taking the stamp out and marking the document and putting it back in the SASE).  Perhaps some kind of coupon book from businesses in the GTA could be included if it is already printed and distributed at UWM or similar organizations.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 06, 2022, 04:31:36 PM
I still have all the original designs for the ID cards that I made and distributed, back in the day. And there is still a seal stamp for the Secretary of State, somewhere out there. So basically all the assets that we would need still exist, and the funds are in the treasury. These discussions have come up quite a few times, and I have sent these files to your predecessors a few times before. Would it be helpful for me to send them to you, or do you already have them, or do you intend to just start from scratch? Happy to support however I can.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 06, 2022, 05:23:35 PM
Just for reference, this is what they look like as JPGs.  I also have the original PSDs.  Not awesome, really -- I could probably do better these days.  But maybe a starting point.

Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 06, 2022, 11:48:02 PM
I don't have those files on my work computer, possibly on my laptop, so please resend them. I can't see any reason why - if upon presentation to the Cabinet we like the design - we couldn't PD a request for funds and get them printed.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on January 07, 2022, 08:36:29 PM
All I ask for is that the Talossan translations get updated, should we ever issue new IDs.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 08, 2022, 06:53:08 AM
All I ask for is that the Talossan translations get updated, should we ever issue new IDs.
If you want to just slap the new translations in this thread, I'm happy to update the PSDs right now to make sure that gets done.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on January 18, 2022, 09:29:27 AM
All I ask for is that the Talossan translations get updated, should we ever issue new IDs.
If you want to just slap the new translations in this thread, I'm happy to update the PSDs right now to make sure that gets done.

Regipäts Talossan

Identificaziun d'Ertreir

Această cartă certifia qe ça porteir isch ün citaxhien lexhital del Regipäts Talossan, es isch indreptescu à toct i drepts es privilexhuns d'acest statüs.

Certifiadă sub l'auþorità soveran da Sieu Maxhestà Rexhital, Regeu Ian Lupul.

Emestadă àl porteir par la Ministrà à Savanar da Talossa àls Ultra-Fiovaes Folăs del Regipäts Talossan es certifiadă par l'Óifisch del Secretar d'Estat.

Emestadă par:
Valáivel txusca:


Please excuse the wait, I was busy in the last 10 days.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Ián Tamorán S.H. on January 20, 2022, 01:58:36 PM
I am puzzled why the date on that card is for the eleventh day of the 28th month... perhaps using the ISO standard for dates would clarify this purely-USA confusion??
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 20, 2022, 02:00:57 PM
As I recall, I used what was the legal format at the time. I doubt anyone feels very strongly about it either way, and it makes sense for whoever works on this to change it on the redesign.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 20, 2022, 07:46:47 PM
Okay, updated the PSDs.  I actually redid all the text layers with a more modern look, with a different monospace for name and ID number and updated SoS name.  Funny to think that I made the originals something like a decade ago!  Saved them as XCF.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 21, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
Okay, updated the PSDs.  I actually redid all the text layers with a more modern look, with a different monospace for name and ID number and updated SoS name.  Funny to think that I made the originals something like a decade ago!  Saved them as XCF.
Thank you for sharing these files! It's a great starting point for collaboration.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 21, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
Okay, updated the PSDs.  I actually redid all the text layers with a more modern look, with a different monospace for name and ID number and updated SoS name.  Funny to think that I made the originals something like a decade ago!  Saved them as XCF.
Thank you for sharing these files! It's a great starting point for collaboration.
I hope so!  It would be nice if there were some visual continuity between the editions, but also there's a huge amount of room for improvement.  I don't have an amazing design sense.  As I recall, you do -- maybe you want to take a crack at it?  I think we're in a situation right now where we should move forward where we have interest and ability, so it might be a good idea to give it a whirl even if no one important tells you to do it.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 21, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Personally, I'm prepared to recommend these versions to Cabinet for immediate approval, with the exception that the last sentence on the reverse side should end "... His Majesty John I, King of Talossa."
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 21, 2022, 07:29:03 PM
Personally, I'm prepared to recommend these versions to Cabinet for immediate approval, with the exception that the last sentence on the reverse side should end "... His Majesty John I, King of Talossa."
That's a good change.  Fixed.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on January 21, 2022, 07:32:30 PM
Quote
"... His Majesty John I, King of Talossa."

"... Sieu Maxhestà Ian I, Regeu da Talossa" in Talossan.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 22, 2022, 03:19:14 PM
I thought it was "King John" and not "King John I".
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 22, 2022, 04:14:42 PM
I thought it was "King John" and not "King John I".
it's both, but the latter is more formal. He's the first King John! He would be the third King Robert, if that were his name, or the second King Florence.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: King John on January 22, 2022, 05:53:21 PM
This is a very cool idea.  Many thanks to those who are working on this.  Would it be reasonable/appropriate/desirable for me to make a jpg of my most scruciatingly royal signature to put on these cards?

-- John R
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 22, 2022, 11:57:52 PM
I thought it was "King John" and not "King John I".
it's both, but the latter is more formal. He's the first King John! He would be the third King Robert, if that were his name, or the second King Florence.
Well, TIL. I don't know where I got the impression that we were on the side of "no first": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnal_number#%22The_first%22
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 23, 2022, 12:20:13 AM
[...] I don't have an amazing design sense.  As I recall, you do -- maybe you want to take a crack at it?

Oh, I certainly wasn't born with design genes, but I did some research back in the day, and did again now.

So, there are a bunch of standards for and around ID's. The most popular size for ID cards is defined by ISO/IEC 7810 as ID-1, at 85.6mm x 53.98mm (pretty much credit card size). Another standard (ISO/IEC 7501) picks that up for machine readable identification cards, which encompasses passports, visas, and national ID's. There is an equivalent standard set by ICAO (https://www.icao.int) as Doc 9303. (It's in their best interest as these are travel documents, and it's freely available.)

These standards have a bunch of requirements, and I believe the images I'm attaching here fulfill them all, so this would be a legit/legal/valid/100%correct ID. And when I say legal I actually mean it -- The nationality is stated (as per ISO 3166-1 plus ICAO extensions) as unspecified; IANAL, I wouldn't recommend traveling with it.

Codes and checksums are correct. Translations are likely incorrect.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 23, 2022, 09:06:16 AM
Another sample.

The number of ID is comprised by a series (A) + year of emission (22) + citizen ID (292, zero-padded to 4 digits) + a serial/consecutive number for the emission (00).

This is all done in Inkscape (SVG), so it's easier to edit and automate.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 23, 2022, 10:12:37 AM
Wow! This looks amazing. Is the numbering / labeling process going to be too much for right now, though? I guess that's up to whoever is going to be doing this.

Also, is there a space we could leave for the king's signature?

Stellar work... you're soft selling your own abilities, but you have serious chops.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 23, 2022, 01:29:20 PM
Well, TIL. I don't know where I got the impression that we were on the side of "no first": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnal_number#%22The_first%22

We always referred to Ben Madison as "King Robert I", even before there was a Robert II
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 23, 2022, 02:15:31 PM
I'm happy to propose Danihel's design to Cabinet, if he lets us have the original files (pref. in XCF format) to make mild changes to.

Also, I think they should be signed by the SoS, not His Maj.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 23, 2022, 02:53:12 PM
Attached, for Inkscape.

I'm not married to the Alfios font (the serif one). OCRB is needed. Roboto available here: https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/roboto-2014

When making changes, please make sure it still complies with ICAO Doc 9303 parts 3 (§ 3.2, 4.5) and 5 (§ 2.3, 3.1, 3.2, 4.1).
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on January 23, 2022, 06:33:29 PM
Here's the correct translations:

Nómină familial
Num
Schladă
Naziunalità
Däts da nataschă
Expiraziun
N:reu da doc.

Această cartă certifia qe ça porteir isch ün citaxhien lexhital del Regipäts Talossan, es isch indreptescu à toct i drepts es privilexhuns d'acest statüs. Certifiadă sub l'auþorità soveran da Sieu Maxhestà Rexhital, Regeu Ian Lupul. (...Sieu Maxhestà Ian I, Regeu da Talossa if we're using Miestră's suggestion)

@Danihel Txechescu Your translations were mostly fine, except they dont follow the new spellings. Are you still using the old Översteir?
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 23, 2022, 09:03:02 PM
Here's the correct translations:

Nómină familial
Num
Schladă
Naziunalità
Däts da nataschă
Expiraziun
N:reu da doc.

Această cartă certifia qe ça porteir isch ün citaxhien lexhital del Regipäts Talossan, es isch indreptescu à toct i drepts es privilexhuns d'acest statüs. Certifiadă sub l'auþorità soveran da Sieu Maxhestà Rexhital, Regeu Ian Lupul. (...Sieu Maxhestà Ian I, Regeu da Talossa if we're using Miestră's suggestion)

Thanks! Will update and keep readily available.

@Danihel Txechescu Your translations were mostly fine, except they dont follow the new spellings. Are you still using the old Översteir?

Yes. I went to Talossan.com and then to English<->Talossan, and, well, that didn't work, so I used my (old) copy.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 23, 2022, 09:24:34 PM
I'm happy to propose Danihel's design to Cabinet, if he lets us have the original files (pref. in XCF format) to make mild changes to.

Also, I think they should be signed by the SoS, not His Maj.
Let's do both!  It's just digital and it will be cooler.

Actually, my preference would be to have it signed by His Majesty and then have a sort of "stamp" emblem, mimicking a rubber seal stamp (the real one of which is kicking around somewhere) for the SoS.  But that's probably too much hassle and we shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good -- we need to get these things out there!
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on January 24, 2022, 08:10:36 AM
@Danihel Txechescu Your translations were mostly fine, except they dont follow the new spellings. Are you still using the old Översteir?

Yes. I went to Talossan.com and then to English<->Talossan, and, well, that didn't work, so I used my (old) copy.

The new Översteir is over at oversteir.talossa.com (http://oversteir.talossa.com). I've been told some people have trouble accessing the page, but I can't replicate the issues. Let me know if you have similar problems.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Tric'hard Lenxheir on January 24, 2022, 09:26:34 AM
I know i am fairly new to the country but i do think there should be a place for the Kings signature on the card. Sort of an official stamp of approval
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Mic’haglh Autófil, MoFA on January 24, 2022, 11:26:53 AM
I know i am fairly new to the country but i do think there should be a place for the Kings signature on the card. Sort of an official stamp of approval
Or some sort of stamp/seal. Yes, I know the arms are on the back, but if I recall correctly does Talossa not have a full achievement? (A “greater” coat of arms, if you will.)
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Miestră Schivă, UrN on January 24, 2022, 03:24:43 PM
The Cabinet has approved this design by majority vote.

Next steps are fine-tuning the design (inc. any possible signatures); and questions of production and distribution.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 25, 2022, 03:10:24 PM
A couple more ideas.

Front adds years in Talossan format. Back adds arms for the King and the subject; I like this in order to promote the arms of the citizenry. There's a bit more space for signature in both front and back.

I printed these options and feel that the picture is a tad too big at 35x45 mm. The spec says it can be as little as 32x26 mm, so anything between those two is game.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 25, 2022, 03:51:02 PM
A couple more ideas.

Front adds years in Talossan format. Back adds arms for the King and the subject; I like this in order to promote the arms of the citizenry. There's a bit more space for signature in both front and back.

I printed these options and feel that the picture is a tad too big at 35x45 mm. The spec says it can be as little as 32x26 mm, so anything between those two is game.

Wow, these just keep getting better and better! Definitely the best one yet!

It feels like to do justice to these, we should really get them printed on cardstock and laminated. In fact, we might want to actually just have them printed out as photo card style, like real IDs.

Feels like the government should be represented very prominently, too, though. Maybe scoot over the king's signature to make room for the signature of the Secretary of State, too? Or would that be too cramped?

Also: one of the things that was suggested fairly strenuously by some of the lawyers we have in the country was the phrase, "Valid for all Talossan purposes." Might be worth including that fine print somewhere on here!
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 25, 2022, 03:54:35 PM
A couple more ideas.

Front adds years in Talossan format. Back adds arms for the King and the subject; I like this in order to promote the arms of the citizenry. There's a bit more space for signature in both front and back.

I printed these options and feel that the picture is a tad too big at 35x45 mm. The spec says it can be as little as 32x26 mm, so anything between those two is game.

Wow, these just keep getting better and better! Definitely the best one yet!

It feels like to do justice to these, we should really get them printed on cardstock and laminated. In fact, we might want to actually just have them printed out as photo card style, like real IDs.

Looks like custom ID badges are something like $4 apiece. So that's probably a little pricey to offer gratis! Printing them on cardstock and laminating them will be only 5 to 10 cents apiece, in contrast.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on January 25, 2022, 07:33:01 PM
A couple more ideas.

I love the design, but keep in mind that the text on the back still says "qa" instead of "certifia qe", which I can't explain.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 25, 2022, 10:11:38 PM
A couple more ideas.
I love the design, but keep in mind that the text on the back still says "qa" instead of "certifia qe", which I can't explain.
Ah, will fix. I didn't see that mistake in the sentence even though I went through it again when you last posted the text. Thanks!
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM on January 25, 2022, 11:34:14 PM
If you include the SoS signature, I guess I better practice my Talossan signature :-)
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Danihel Txechescu on January 26, 2022, 07:59:42 AM
[...] The spec says it can be as little as 32x26 mm, so anything between those two is game.
Should read as 35x45 mm vs 26x32 mm.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Ián Tamorán S.H. on March 09, 2022, 12:29:26 PM
I thought it was "King John" and not "King John I".
it's both, but the latter is more formal. He's the first King John! He would be the third King Robert, if that were his name, or the second King Florence.
In some countries "King xxxx" is just that ... until there is a second "King xxxx", and only then is the first one "King xxxx I".  In the UK there has been only one Queen Anne - so that's what she is called. She will become "Queen Anne I" only when there is a "Queen Anne II", and, of course, thereafter.
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 11:01:33 AM
I asked elsewhere, but having read through this thread, I am still wondering if there is a purpose to these cards other than having them?
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 18, 2022, 11:13:34 AM
I asked elsewhere, but having read through this thread, I am still wondering if there is a purpose to these cards other than having them?
They'll be cool to have, but also a promotional tool to show to others.  And you never know what might happen in the future once we get this sort of thing going :)
Title: Re: ID Card out of date
Post by: Açafat del Val on March 18, 2022, 11:22:48 AM
I asked elsewhere, but having read through this thread, I am still wondering if there is a purpose to these cards other than having them?
They'll be cool to have, but also a promotional tool to show to others.  And you never know what might happen in the future once we get this sort of thing going :)

I won't get in the way of something that motivates and inspires Talossans. I am worried that it will be just another task that gets waysided by the avalanche of other bureaucratic tasks.