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Las Intereçuns Speciais/Special Interests => Coletx d'Armeux Rexhital/The College of Arms => Topic started by: GV on March 07, 2021, 09:41:50 PM

Title: The arms of R. Ben Madison
Post by: GV on March 07, 2021, 09:41:50 PM
I'm not sure if they are registered by the College or not, but if not, I suggest the College do so anyway.

If the King needs to somehow 'recognize' this to make it 'Talossan-legal', then that will be for him to determine.  I just want to be sure no-one else can have it other than Ben.

Ben made this graphic ca. 2001 when he put to Witt his (extant, I think) geneaology going back to the Counts of Toulouse!
Title: Re: The arms of R. Ben Madison
Post by: Béneditsch Ardpresteir on March 10, 2021, 07:16:34 AM
Quote from: GV on March 07, 2021, 09:41:50 PM
I'm not sure if they are registered by the College or not, but if not, I suggest the College do so anyway.

If the King needs to somehow 'recognize' this to make it 'Talossan-legal', then that will be for him to determine.  I just want to be sure no-one else can have it other than Ben.

Ben made this graphic ca. 2001 when he put to Witt his (extant, I think) geneaology going back to the Counts of Toulouse!


The College has taken note of the same. It would be forwarded to the Squirrel King of Arms after some homework.

Sd/-
Dean BenArd
Title: Re: The arms of R. Ben Madison
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 01:51:07 PM
These are modified arms of the comte de Toulouse (Gules a cross clechy pommety and voided or).  Their blazon would be... Gules a cross clechy and pommety or, filled vert, I'd suppose.  They are a longtime symbol of Occitania and former Toulouse domains.  Robert Ben Madison cannot conceivably be the lineal heir to last comte de Toulouse, so he wouldn't be entitled to bear their symbol by right; are these different enough to pass muster as new arms?
Title: Re: The arms of R. Ben Madison
Post by: GV on March 25, 2022, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on February 12, 2022, 01:51:07 PM
These are modified arms of the comte de Toulouse (Gules a cross clechy pommety and voided or).  Their blazon would be... Gules a cross clechy and pommety or, filled vert, I'd suppose.  They are a longtime symbol of Occitania and former Toulouse domains.  Robert Ben Madison cannot conceivably be the lineal heir to last comte de Toulouse, so he wouldn't be entitled to bear their symbol by right; are these different enough to pass muster as new arms?

Inquiring minds want to know.  Thank you, AD, for this.
Title: Re: The arms of R. Ben Madison
Post by: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 30, 2022, 10:27:45 PM
There's no real answer without more information.  I can say that he's never been granted these arms as far as I know, not even by himself, so he wouldn't be entitled to bear them in Talossa.  And I can't imagine the College ever granting them in the future to anyone.  So if the idea was to prevent anyone else from having them, I don't think that's a worry.