Quote from: Placiej on November 19, 2020, 10:34:50 AM
RZ1 - PER
RZ2 - PER
RZ3 - CON
RZ4 - PER
RZ5 - PER
RZ6 - AUS
RZ7 - PER
RZ8 - PER
RZ9 - CON
RZ10 - PER
RZ11 - AUS
RZ12 - AUS
VoC - Non

Thanks for updating your vote Jordan. Votes entered.

There has been some discussion with the leader of the LCC that an MC does not have to vote on the VoC under current OrgLaw due to the use of the word "may". My understanding is that, under current law, based on El Lex that if an MC casts an invalid vote on the VoC, as SoS I have to punish them so I guess the issue really is what is an invalid vote?

I did some digging and found that an invalid vote, from 23RZ39 is a vote to abstain on the VoC. I don't see where that law has been changed. It is true that MC's and Senators are voting on a law to remove the reference to punishing MC's, but that is not yet in force.

My legal interpretation is that had the MC in question simply not voted on the VoC, no invalid vote would have been cast. However, the MC in question DID vote on the VoC with abstain. Under current law I cannot accept any of his votes.

I invite the leader of the LCC to challenge this in Cort if necessary. If there are other interpretations I'd also love to hear them.

Quote from: Placiej on November 19, 2020, 10:34:50 AM
RZ1 - PER
RZ2 - PER
RZ3 - CON
RZ4 - PER
RZ5 - PER
RZ6 - AUS
RZ7 - PER
RZ8 - PER
RZ9 - CON
RZ10 - PER
RZ11 - AUS
RZ12 - AUS
VoC - AUS

Sorry but it is not yet legal to abstain on the VoC. Please provide either a YES or a NO on the VoC.

Quote from: Iason Taiwos on November 11, 2020, 03:00:13 PM
RZ1 - Per
RZ2 - Per
RZ3 - Per
RZ4 - Per
RZ5 - Per
RZ6 - Per
RZ7 - Per
RZ8 - Per
RZ9 - Per
RZ10 - Per
RZ11 - Per
RZ12 - Per

You will need to vote on the VoC before I can enter your votes.

I'm aware that there was some weird issue in creating the actual PDF of the Clark. I've notified the database administrator and we will get it fixed. The database reflects the current bills and for public record, here is a list of them:

• RZ1 - The Tidy up your STUFF Act
• RZ2 - The Tidying up the Interior Act
• RZ3 - The Shark Tank Act
• RZ4 - The Fleecing Bill
• RZ5 - The Self-Destructing Senäts Repeal (Organic Law Amendment) Bill
• RZ6 - The Confidence is Not a Binary Choice Bill
• RZ7 - The Community Jurists (JP Restoration) Bill
• RZ8 - The Alexander E.H. Schmidt Immigration Bill
• RZ9 - The Make the Ziu Actually Read This Stuff Bill
• RZ10 - The Tidying Up Our Finances (And Seneschalsqåb) Bill
• RZ11 - Maybe Not So Into This Bill
• RZ12 - The Ranked Choice Constitutional Referendum Bill

Also, as a rather inelegant solution temporarily, I've attached a printout version of the Clark voting page that lists the contents of all the bills. Once the regular PDF is working again I will re-email members of the Ziu with an update.

The November 2020 Clark is now here.

www.talossa.ca/files/clark.php?cosa=55&clark=1

Or here: www.talossa.ca/files/print_clark.php (this is the printer friendly version)

In PDF Form (which was made from the print_clark.php page):

www.talossa.ca/files/clarks/November2020Clark.pdf

or can vote online here: www.talossa.ca/files/clark_vote.php

Or in this thread, until the 21st of the month, at 19h30 TST.

Senators are allowed to create a single thread in the Senate chamber to post all of the Senate Votes that are not cast in this thread. Any votes not posted either using the form above, the current thread or the Senate thread might be ignored and void. Please do not vote by email or private messages.

When you vote, do not indicate any conditions which may make it sound like this vote isn't final: you can always change your vote later.

Please do not vote by email: We've had problems with email votes being caught in the spam filter.

All nominated Cosa Members and Senators have been emailed



Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă,
Secretary of State

I have no issue calling for bills earlier. One thing I'll do differently next Clark is to not enter the bills into the database right away. I have to ask MPF to edit or change them since I don't have that level of access even as SoS to modify a bill once I've put it into the database.

I'm not sure I like the idea of having to publish standards either.

I was kind of taking the long view and not intending on removing bills from the hopper that pre-existed my appointment as SoS.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 19, 2020, 03:38:08 PM
At the request of the Regent, the SIGN convenor whipped up this handy template of key words and phrases for Government work. Enjoy.

This was very informative. Are there other documents out there that are similar that would help people beside just the rexhaint?

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 28, 2020, 10:10:15 PM
I'll unClark it if you give me a good reason to. That's a possibility, and the reason why the SoS has given it the "last slot" on the Clark.

This bill is only listed last because I had trouble figuring out how to add it and whether it was a referendum or not.

Quote from: Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on October 29, 2020, 06:28:00 AM
D:na Seneschal:

The draft of this bill that was available until two minutes before you Clarked this one was significantly different.  It was essentially impossible for me to provide any feedback or evaluate this draft in those two minutes.  Please don't do this in the future.

I am aware that you had been working on a couple of other versions and had posted this one as a possibility, but it would be difficult for me to responsibly scrutinize every possible version of every bill at times.  I can completely understand if something is an emergency or the like, but as far as I can tell, it makes literally no difference if this bill is submitted now or in two months' time.  Under these circumstances and considering the changes, we should take our time and get it right.  Thank you.

To be fair, I haven't entirely decided on whether this bill will be published in the Clark. I'm determining if the original text and the Clarked text are radically different enough to be two different proposals.

Quote from: Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on October 28, 2020, 12:51:36 PM

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on October 14, 2020, 11:36:50 PM
Here's my amendment of your amendment. I think the CRL should examine all bills, to the extent capable, and have their say on their own initiative when they see fit to.

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WHEREAS the quality of legislation in Talossa is admittedly low, with many errors and infelicities of language;

AND WHEREAS there is an even worse problem, whereby provisions enter into our Organic and statute law "by accident"', in that the Cosa and Senäts majority vote for the principle of a bill, trust its author, and don't actually read it properly, or assume that someone else will read it properly and point out any problems;

AND WHEREAS every legislator simply promising to be more conscientious is not a feasible response to this;

AND WHEREAS the following provision would probably work better than the previously mooted role of "legislative janitor";

BE IT ENACTED by the Ziu as follows:

A new section shall be inserted after H.6 of El Lexhatx, as follows, and the subsequent sections renumbered accordingly:

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7.1 A Legislative Advisory Committee of Talossa (in Talossan, el Comità da Redacziun Legislatïu; and hereinafter, "the CRL") shall review or revise all legislative items from the Hopper as described in H.6 above; and may recommend acceptance or rejection, or suggest amendments in their best judgement.

7.2 The CRL shall conduct all its deliberations openly in the Hopper.

7.3 The CRL shall consist of the incumbent Mençéi, Túischac'h, and Avocat-Xheneral.

@Miestră Schivă, UrN
Do you intend to clark this version?

This bill was asked to be Clarked and is currently queued up as 55RZ9.

It is my pleasure to open call for bills of the November 2020 Clark.

Eventually, the clark can be viewed in real time here:

www.talossa.ca/files/cosa_vote_result.php?cosa=55&clark=1 (for the votes)

and here:

www.talossa.ca/files/clark.php?cosa=55&clark=1 (for the bills )

It is NOT too late to submit bills, of course, as you have OFFICIALLY until the morning of the 31st of this month, provided your bills have been in the Hopper before end of business day the 21st, of course. I will make the Clark on November 1st's morning and bills submitted up to a few hours before that will probably also be taken.

PLEASE note that in order to support a bill, you need to:

1 ) Be a Senator, the Secretary of State or the King
or
2 ) Have been nominated as a Cosa Member for the upcoming Clark BEFORE the 21st,

To vote on the Clark, you will once again have 2 options:

1 ) You will be able to vote in the Clark thread (which will be created later on the 1st of November), as usual. I will enter your votes in the DB.

2 ) You will be able to vote directly in the database, using your usernumber and DB password (which you can retrieve at: www.talossa.ca/files/login.php using the PSC of the election) or by login via Facebook (which retrieve manual activation on my part).



Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă,
Secretary of State

Quote from: Eðo Grischun on October 25, 2020, 02:14:37 PM
@Dr. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselvă, Esq., O.SPM, SMM

Tagging the SoS as Witt's admin.

The shout box has never really worked for me. I can look into a shout box.