Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN on March 17, 2023, 02:46:03 PMMy suggestion is simply not to adopt XPB's suggestion. It would stretch the principle of Provincial Assignment beyond recognition. Status quo, please. Sorry, I appear to have replied to a disappearing post?

Yeah, self-moderation at work.
XPB, I am curious to hear your response to the concern expressed by Miestra.
Also Miestra...any other comments on the bill which deals with far more than XPB's addition?

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 17, 2023, 12:15:18 PMA new section Lexh.2.1.2

Very well, thank you. I will make this edit.

@xpb there appears to be some skepticism to your contribution. Would you like to provide additional information?

@Ian Plätschisch what are your concerns?

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 17, 2023, 05:47:14 AMFine, just to be clear - otherwise your Distain might say that I wasn't - I'm not a priori against this idea, but I won't vote to put a subsection under a section that deals with other stuff.

This program will be administered by the Office of the Seneschal not the STUFF Ministry. Is there a better place to illustrate this?

Quote from: Ian Plätschisch on March 17, 2023, 11:03:06 AM

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 13, 2023, 01:24:03 PMLexh § C.1.5.6.2. (a detailed list of all changes in the account balances of the Royal Treasury since the last Report,) and § C.1.5.6.3. (a balance sheet which clearly lists all expenses linking them to the relative sheet items in the budget bills approved in the Cosa,)

A balance sheet lists assets and liabilities at a specific time, not income and expense over time (That is what an income statement does) If C.1.5.6.3 is really phrased that way, it should probably be fixed.

</Accounting pedantry >

Revision submitted to Hopper. https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2240.msg18370#msg18370

Whereas, someone experienced in accounting and finance has informed that a balance sheet is not an income sheet, and

Whereas, this should probably be fixed in El Lexhatx.

Therefore, be it enacted, that C 1.5.6.3 which currently reads as:

Quote1.5.6.3. a balance sheet which clearly lists all expenses linking them to the relative sheet items in the budget bills approved in the Cosa,

Is amended to read as:

Quote1.5.6.3. an income statement which clearly lists all expenses linking them to the relative sheet items in the budget bills approved in the Cosa,

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 16, 2023, 10:37:49 PMCan we omit "biological," please?

Good catch, done.

Quote from: xpb on March 16, 2023, 09:56:25 PMA suggestion on 7.3.
No Talossan citizens may transfer his their provincial citizenship to a different province, except either by physically moving into that province or into the zone corresponding to that province,

or by providing bona fides as to the following:
a) A citizen was born on the territory of the relevant province;
b) The biological mother or biological father of the citizen was born on the territory of the relevant province;
c) One of biological grandparents of a citizen was born on the territory of the relevant province;
d) The citizen has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant province.

Thank you @xpb this has been added to the bill.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 16, 2023, 01:08:06 AM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 15, 2023, 09:03:09 PMConfidential as defined by compliance with the privacy law.

Then I suggest to specify the sections - § D.8.2, D.8.3, D.8.4 -  rather than using "confidential".

That word is used only once in the Lexh (§ H.2.5) in the meaning of the Government actively deciding that some informations must be considered confidential and withheld at Terps («and/or any project(s), correspondence, or activities, in which the Government has deemed, and classified as confidential, or which in its release may damage the Kingdom in any shape or form.»), but I get from your reply that this is not what you are looking for.

That is reasonable. I will specify the provisions rather than using the term confidential. Thanks Üc.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 08, 2023, 06:06:48 PMI can't precisely recollect where the discussion went before the first data loss, but in the coming days I'll update the proposal.

Are you planning on submitting this for the second Clark?

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 15, 2023, 08:32:52 PM

Quote8.9 Automated Governmental Information Dissemination

I personally don't like the word dissemination. The records according with this law are archived and disclosed, they are not disseminated.

Quote8.9.1 The Government of the Kingdom of Talossa will have a duty of transparency to the people of the nation, so that citizens may hold their elected officials accountable.

This section shall be removed altogether. The first part is a repetition of the head section (§ D.8 ) and doesn't need to be reiterated.
(Moreover: the Gov has, not will have; this bill does nothing to hold the elected accountable as the records are released 10 years later.)

Quote8.9.2 All internal (non-public and non-confidential) government communications placed or transmitted on Government-owned fora shall be released to the Royal Archives no later than 10 (ten) years after the conclusion of that Government's term of office.

Internal and non-public is a repetition.

Non-confidential is problematic: defined by who? How? With which limits? And after 10 years who can choose If they still are confidential? If that part is not addressed the whole bill is potentially meaningless.

Quote8.9.3 This dissemination scheme shall begin with the internal (non-public and non-confidential) government records of the Tzaracomprada Administration (58th Cosa Government).

We don't use Administration but Cabinet. And it's better in the law to don't not make reference to names or the name of the Seneschal. Use 58th Cosa only.

I thank you for your comments, Üc.

Dissemination has been changed to transmittal.

The point is not accountability but transparency and historical record-keeping. Elections and active and mature opposition hold governments to account.

Confidential as defined by compliance with the privacy law.

Ok sure, let's use cabinet in place of administration. :)

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 08, 2023, 05:56:10 PMMay I further suggest to move it under the responsability of the Ministry of STUFF? § D.2.10.4 (with some rewording).

§ D.1 doesn't seem to me the right or logic part of the Lexhatx to have such a section.

I saw that you submitted the bill to Committee as it is.

I need to say that: el Lexhatx has or should have a logic, you can't just pick an empty place and put there anything you want. § D.1 is about the relation between the Seneschal and the Cabinet, appointments and positions.

It is not the place for a subsection for citizens requesting certificate of citizenship.

I submitted with the edits I thought prudent, Üc. I accepted some suggestions and not others based on the reasons put forward.

Quote from: Üc R. Tärfâ on March 15, 2023, 08:50:24 PMRemove "We", that's a section of law not a declaration of the undersignatories.

Edit made. Thanks Üc.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 15, 2023, 08:21:12 PM

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on March 15, 2023, 08:19:15 PMWhereas, there is a continuing interest in encouraging the development of provincial subcultures, and

Whereas, cultural development is one potential route to which we can revitalize provincial activity, and

Whereas, there is one shining example of the successful development of a provincial subculture in the Cjovani Benitians, and

Whereas, one way to encourage the replication of this laudable Talossan subculture effort is to memorialize and celebrate one of its first instances.

Therefore, be it resolved, that a new ziua auservada or Day of Observance is created by adding a new section to El Lexhatx Section F at 4.3.8 to read as follows:

Quote7 April. Provincial Subcultures Day. This holiday honors a trailblazing example of Talossan subcultural development, the Cjovani Benitians, and serves as a day for Talossans to consider the potential for future subcultures in their own provinces.

Subsequent sections are to renumbered as necessary.

Uréu q'estadra så:
Breneir Tzaracomprada (Seneschal)

"El Lexhatx Section F at 4.3.8" could maybe be better written as "subsection 4.3.8 of Title F of el Lexhatx."

Thank you Baron! Change made.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on March 15, 2023, 08:23:13 PM" is added under D.1 The Government in El Lexhatx reading as follows:" could maybe be "shall be added as subsection 1.6 of Title D of el Lexhatx, reading as follows:"

Thanks Baron. Change made.