Another comment: if we had a functioning National Bar in this country, I would wish that counsel for both the Government and the Respondent* would have been subject to discipline (eg. barred from taking the next UC case) for regular outbursts and talking-out-of-turn in the just-concluded appeal.

In other words: we need a functioning National Bar in this country, because the lawyers are unruly.

(* You can't bar me, I'm the Seneschal  8) )

Presiding Judge Nordselva comments:

QuoteI don't know what it is about this case that draws such dramatic reactions from both sides.

At a guess:
1) both sides have picked somewhat "dramatic" personalities as their advocates;
2) this is the first actual criminal case in Talossa for a long time. High stakes.

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 22, 2020, 04:49:09 PM

Quote from: Miestrâ Schiva, UrN on February 22, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
While I'm on the subject, why did the adjective Talossán lose its final-syllable stress in the 2007-2014 language? And can we have it back?

It didn't. Talossan is pronounced with ultimate stress according to the stress rule.

Ha ha, shows how much I understand the CÚG Arestadas I spent 7 years bitching about. :) I've got a lot to learn and I'm glad you're on the ball.

So, er... is there anything we can do about this?

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While I'm on the subject, why did the adjective Talossán lose its final-syllable stress in the 2007-2014 language? And can we have it back?

Great, so:

Quote
1. Restore the letter å as it appeared in the pre-2007 Treisour.
2. Restore the digraph äi as it appeared in the pre-2007 Treisour.
3. Replace word-final unstressed a or â of feminine nouns and adjectives, their compounds (e.g. Tzaranhoua "Newfoundland") and derivations with ă, except in Talossa. Replace word-final indamint with indămint. A is an acceptable substitute for ă throughout.
4. Replace rh with r throughout.
5. Go through the entire lexicon, re-stressmarking according to the Stress Rule in the provisional spelling whererever necessary. This includes replacing stress marks with tremata wherever their only purpose is to mark a hiatus (e.g. actíu -> actïu).
6. Respell the word Civian "Kevin" as Chivian, correcting an earlier mistake when applying the 2007 Pienamaintsch.

Oh, good. Someone told me the CÚG never updated the vocabular in l'Överstéir, happy to find out that's wrong.

Because I can't believe no-one has done it before, I have collected all the "new" words in the Talossan language which were endorsed by the CÚG between 2007 and 2014, and put them in an alphabetised spreadsheet. I have done my best to update them to our new "provisional rules" spelling, I'm sure the SIGN Overlord can let me know any necessary corrections.

There are two issues ahead of us now:
1) adding these words to l'Överstéir (as well as updating the latter to ProvRules speling);
2) figuring out a formal process for adding new words to the language (shall we go with the tradition on a yearly Pienamaintsch on Llimbaziua?)

All right. Am I right that your Pienamaintsch could be rephrased in its entirety as:

Quote
1. Restore the letter å as it appeared in the pre-2007 Treisour.
2. Restore the digraph äi as it appeared in the pre-2007 Treisour.
3. All words ending in â in the pre-2007 Treisour are restored, with the final letter replaced by ă, although a is also acceptable. Replace word-final indamint with indămint.
4. Replace rh with r throughout.
5. Go through the entire lexicon, re-stressmarking according to the Stress Rule in the provisional spelling whererever necessary. This includes replacing stress marks with tremata wherever their only purpose is to mark a hiatus (e.g. actíu -> actïu).
6. Respell the word Civian "Kevin" as Chivian, correcting an earlier mistake when applying the 2007 Pienamaintsch.

I'm exhausted right now, but what I think I want to do is create a "Super-Pienamaintsch" which enables us to apply a single set of rules to the KR1-era Treisour, which might be easier than "rolling back" some of the changes that have happened (eg stress marking)

Quote from: Miestrâ Schiva, UrN on February 20, 2020, 08:30:57 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 20, 2020, 10:06:11 AM
So assuming the Pienamaintsch is acceptable like this: what happens next?

Considering that almost all Talossan-speakers use l'Översteir for translations: update l'Översteir in accordance with this Pienamaintsch.

Sorry, I just realised that that sounded like I was expecting you to do it all yourself, lol. :)

Should we actually:
1) get the Treisour database and divide it into sections;
2) call for volunteers to "update" those sections?

Could this be done by anyone with a basic knowledge of the language?

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on February 20, 2020, 10:06:11 AM
So assuming the Pienamaintsch is acceptable like this: what happens next?

Considering that almost all Talossan-speakers use l'Översteir for translations: update l'Översteir in accordance with this Pienamaintsch.

My priority is some consensus, any consensus, which allows us to move forward. My entire philosophy of Talossa is that I much prefer that something happen and someone take responsibility, even if it's something I don't like, than we just whine and cry and argue and wonder why people aren't interested in Talossa anymore.

Here's the direct quote from the PermSecCultDev:

QuoteSuppose I have created some new Talossan words. (Which I have.) Is there any approval system for getting new words entered into the Treisour and L'Oversteier? Like, SIGN having a committee of Talossan language experts who will review submitted words, see if they are Talossanically correct, and if so, into the official Talossan lexicon they go? (Talossan already has a fantastic vocabulary for a constructed language, but even so, I've found the need to make up new words.) (I was going to add, any citizen who creates five new words that are approved by the SIGN committee gets to move up a rank in the Zouaves, but since AD is going to be gone for awhile,I guess we'll have to scrap that idea.) (I know we should probably be more concerned about people actually learning Talossan than worrying about gaps in the vocabulary, but...I just like words! I use L'Oversteier almost every day.)

We really need that Pienamaintsch for the Provisional Rules so we can update l'Oversteir and older translations, btw.