Not to my knowledge. If anything keeping several spelling variants might be unnecessarily confusing to non-Ladintschen, especially if the spelling in question has been incorrect for more than 10 years.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 02:46:49 PMWell, I was just using the existing spelling, but okay.  Easy enough to change.

A lot of legislation still has outdated or in some cases plain wrong spellings, and I think it's high time we phase them out. I might prepare a separate bill to that effect for the March Clark, but that's all tangential to this bill.

This is admittedly nitpicking, but the proper Talossan spelling is "Cunstaval", without an accent. I say that now so I don't have to when this gets moved into the CRL.

@Sir Lüc, please move this to the CRL.

@Sir Lüc , I would like this referred to the CRL, please.

Sure. I mean, if time is really of the essence, members can always request a time limit via Point of Order, so that should be fine.

¡Feliciă nadaliçă!

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 13, 2026, 07:06:05 PMI think we saw last time that we should have a clock going or something on each bill, to keep everyone mindful of the time.

I could add a timer to my webcam if that helps.

As promised, here's a new draft with most impromptu motions folded into Points of Order, as was practiced on the 11th and paralleling German club rules.

Feel free to comment on it. My hope is that we can at some point adopt these rules formally so they're no longer drafts.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on January 13, 2026, 01:33:35 PMFelicieu Nadaliçă!

*Feliciă

I believe D:nă Schivă voted PER on RZ05 during the Joint Session.

Here's the link to the recording: clichetz aicì

Shoutout to the Secretary of State for recording and uploading!

I'm already tempted to modify the rules to include some things that established themselves on the 11th, and to sort of streamline things a bit (e.g. raising both hands for Points of Order, and also unifying some motions into that category akin to German club rules).

I'd like to thank everyone again who could attend. I may be biased, but I think today's session was a success, and I'm excited to have another session in February!

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 10, 2026, 05:15:07 PMWhile I mostly agree with you, as long as we don't have precedents or rules governing it, what you said is opinion and not fact - moreso because the Seneschal doesn't and shouldn't have any particular authority over the Ziu's operations.

Parliaments worldwide handle this stuff in wildly different ways and since the Ziu is not based on any individual one, we just can't make gut-feeling assumptions.

Despite operating under a parliamentary system for decades, we kinda have to reinvent all the procedural aspects of it from scratch. We can (and probably should at some point) get together and properly think through all these intricacies, but until then I figured it would be good enough if I as the presiding officer were to go with my gut and common sense instinct, and members can appeal and set precedents explicitly whenever it's necessary, and then later we collect and codify these precedents.

It's an interesting question, actually. In Germany, ministers who aren't MPs are allowed to participate in debates when the bill in question is on a topic that's part of their portfolio, in order to represent Government policies. I would be in favour of allowing something like this in Talossa, too.

How's this?

I didn't really touch rule 5, except rename it. Let me know if something else needs changing.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 09, 2026, 08:49:37 AMMy advice:

Delete 1b; you don't want people to be able to vote in new officers with arbitrary powers during proceedings.

I was envisioning this to be used whenever either I or the Mençei are unavailable, but fair enough.

QuoteThese rules institute a filibuster, which I'm not sure is a good idea.  Having a motion to end debate with a 2/3 majority requirement means that a minority can stop a bill from passing if they're willing to just talk until people quit.

It needing a 2/3 vote is something I took from Robert's Rules. Though now that I think about it, it also included a footnote that parliaments usually use a simple majority instead... I'll think about it. Alternatively there could be a time limit per person (5 to 10 minutes perhaps?).

QuoteWhat does "killing" or "indefinitely postponing" a bill here mean?  Usually those would be covered by the term "tabling," which is when a bill is set aside (on the table) and no longer actively considered.  Unless you're talking about the UK, in which case "tabling" a bill means that it is being actively considered.

From my understanding of Robert's Rules, tabling refers to a temporary setting aside of a motion in case something more urgent comes up, and tabled motioned can be brought back up again at a later time, whereas indefinitely postponing is killing a motion without a final vote outright. I figured keeping that distinction is important. Having both "killing" and "indefinitely postponing" in the same sentence however is a mistake on my part.

QuoteYou might want to reorganize your motions to separate out the privileged motions into their own category (points of order or personal privilege).

I thought I already did that... maybe I need to rename rule 5.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on January 09, 2026, 11:42:40 AMIf that's fine by @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP , I'll take care of it. I don't know if Zoom requires accounts for everyone involved though, that could be a barrier to participation.

I don't mind.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 08, 2026, 07:01:36 PM@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP , we should probably see if anyone has a version of zoom or teams or something that can do long meetings, so we're not limited to the free 40 minutes.

Discord doesnt restrict meeting lengths, but I'm a bit wary of suggesting that ever since we couldn't get the audio working in our most recent call.

EDIT: Just found out that Stage channels (as opposed to regular voice chat) only allow up to 5 people having their webcams enabled. We could still host the event there using a regular voice channel, but we wouldn't be able to have any spectators unless someone were to livestream it to Youtube or something.