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I didn't really touch rule 5, except rename it. Let me know if something else needs changing.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Today at 08:49:37 AMMy advice:

Delete 1b; you don't want people to be able to vote in new officers with arbitrary powers during proceedings.

I was envisioning this to be used whenever either I or the Mençei are unavailable, but fair enough.

QuoteThese rules institute a filibuster, which I'm not sure is a good idea.  Having a motion to end debate with a 2/3 majority requirement means that a minority can stop a bill from passing if they're willing to just talk until people quit.

It needing a 2/3 vote is something I took from Robert's Rules. Though now that I think about it, it also included a footnote that parliaments usually use a simple majority instead... I'll think about it. Alternatively there could be a time limit per person (5 to 10 minutes perhaps?).

QuoteWhat does "killing" or "indefinitely postponing" a bill here mean?  Usually those would be covered by the term "tabling," which is when a bill is set aside (on the table) and no longer actively considered.  Unless you're talking about the UK, in which case "tabling" a bill means that it is being actively considered.

From my understanding of Robert's Rules, tabling refers to a temporary setting aside of a motion in case something more urgent comes up, and tabled motioned can be brought back up again at a later time, whereas indefinitely postponing is killing a motion without a final vote outright. I figured keeping that distinction is important. Having both "killing" and "indefinitely postponing" in the same sentence however is a mistake on my part.

QuoteYou might want to reorganize your motions to separate out the privileged motions into their own category (points of order or personal privilege).

I thought I already did that... maybe I need to rename rule 5.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Today at 11:42:40 AMIf that's fine by @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP , I'll take care of it. I don't know if Zoom requires accounts for everyone involved though, that could be a barrier to participation.

I don't mind.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on Yesterday at 07:01:36 PM@Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP , we should probably see if anyone has a version of zoom or teams or something that can do long meetings, so we're not limited to the free 40 minutes.

Discord doesnt restrict meeting lengths, but I'm a bit wary of suggesting that ever since we couldn't get the audio working in our most recent call.

EDIT: Just found out that Stage channels (as opposed to regular voice chat) only allow up to 5 people having their webcams enabled. We could still host the event there using a regular voice channel, but we wouldn't be able to have any spectators unless someone were to livestream it to Youtube or something.

Quote from: Sir Lüc on Yesterday at 06:24:56 AM1) I plan on sending a reminder to MZs and non-MZ Cabinet ministers, and a separate invitation for the wider citizenry, ideally on Saturday at the latest. The people in charge should let me know, here or somewhere more convenient, about as many details as they wish me to put in the mailers (eg. videocall link, final/tentative program, time and date, etc.)

2) The Chancery would be happy to assist with putting together a PDF version of an Order Paper, for reference and as a memento. Material like that is probably under the whole purview of the Ziu's presiding officers, actually, since it's something separate from the Clark; but since I don't think I have much else to do besides just showing up on the videocall to tally votes, I am happy to help if it's something people would like.

1) So far, the info on talossa.com is all there is. There is no link yet, if I'm honest I'm not really sure what platform this is going to be on. I'm guessing it's Zoom, but I don't use Zoom so I have no idea how that works. We'll need to discuss this one more I think...

2) That would be awesome!!, though I'm not sure if there is enough planned for a full Order Paper... Maybe the agenda and pre-submitted Terps, but nothing else is really planned (i.e. no one who pre-registered for speaking on any bill or anything like that, and no fixed times for any events except 11:00 TST being when it starts)

Here is a first draft. I'm prone to overthinking and overplanning, so there is a decent chance that this is way too much overhead and we won't end up needing any of it. Let me know if that's the case, or if you want to make other comments.

Especially the proviso "majority of MZs" is confusing to me. Would, when voting on procedure, every attending MZ get one vote? Considering how the Cosă is composed, this seems unfair to me. But on the other hand, if MCs get as many votes as they have seats, how many votes do Senators get? Just one (extemely unbalanced), 25 (=200/8, but sort of arbitrary), some other number?

As a sidenote, it's because of things like this that I think of the status quo as a hindrance to more face-to-face events that needs to be overcome rather than something worth hanging on to.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on January 07, 2026, 04:35:02 PMThis obviously heavily draws from my experience in local government and activist groups, using rules for order common to a lot of groups.

That's perfectly fine. Most of my 'experience' with these things come from watching Bundestag broadcasts, so I'm grateful for every bit of real know-how that I can get!

If the plan is to have Informal Sessions every month, maybe it is time for us to determine some basic rules of procedure so we don't have to reinvent the wheel each time.

As I understand it, the last time we had anything of the sort was in 2022, during the 57th Cosă, with the now-Seneschal as Túischac'h. As such, would you like to share your experience with me and assist with writing a new set of hopefully permanent rules, @Baron Alexandreu Davinescu ? If all goes well, I'd like to have the rules passed as a bill once they're finalised.

If anyone else has questions or ideas, feel free to share them here.

By the way, if anyone plans on giving a speech during the debates, please let me know beforehand so I can try to sort speakers in a way that makes sense. I know I coined the term "Informal Session" myself, but I don't want it to end up in shouting or people talking over each other or anything, and I don't want there to be any confusion on the procedure. Of course, if no one 'pre-registers', I'll just try to do things on the fly.

Quote from: Miestră Schivă, UrN-GC on December 31, 2025, 05:04:55 PMThis is inaccurate. PMQs in my country and I believe in Britain are submitted with a few days notice so that the Government can prepare a proper answer. That said, supplementary questions are extemporary.

Could I get those sent to me in advance as well, considering they are formally addressed to the Túischac'h?

I, too, will wait until the Informal Session to cast my vote.

Actually, I believe we have strayed too far from the main topic of this thread, namely the "Sense of the Ziu: Restoration of National Honour". If I can't compel MZs to get back on topic, I would least highly encourage everyone to do so.

Quote from: Mximo Malt on December 31, 2025, 05:03:44 PMYk I really wish everyone spoke French rather than English as the global lingua franca (and Gaeilge as the main language in Éire)

Well, then we would still have the same problems except that except Anglos being complacent, itd be Francophones. It wouldn't actually solve anything.

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 31, 2025, 03:01:04 PMI have updated the front page of our website (talossa.com) with an announcement, time zone table, and itinerary.  Please let me know if you see anything I got wrong or that I can improve, anyone.

There are some formatting things, like that rogue linebreak in the last line of the time zone table, or the use of the spelling "Cosa" instead of "Cosă". I'm also not sure if calling it the 46th Session of the Cosă is accurate since every Clark is a session really, rather its the 46th Cosă.

Quote from: Mximo Malt on December 31, 2025, 01:34:51 PM

Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on December 30, 2025, 05:01:39 PM

Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on December 30, 2025, 04:37:38 PMI have asked for a word to be coined for this new approach, and we intend to do them fairly regularly.

It could be as simple as Seßiun Rustitsch (Informal Session).

Or in Talossan Latin, "Sessio Rustitiscus"! :D

It's feminine.

Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on December 31, 2025, 12:05:17 AM@Baron Alexandreu Davinescu @Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP
Seneschal, Tuischach:

One idea that popped up during the last campaign was to have an informal question period of some kind at least once during this term. If the Opposition were to send the Government the questions a week or two in advance, would that be something that might fall under one of the informal sessions?

I believe PMQs are usually answered spontaneously, instead of being sent the questions and having the answers prepped in advance. We can, of course, have Terps during the Informal Session if time permits it, but I would expect them to at least be answered live.

Hmm.

I don't own a webcam, but at least all attendees will be able to hear me speak Talossan!

Quote from: Mximo Malt on December 30, 2025, 06:20:59 PMI believe the point RBM was trying to make is that Talossan was only well-known by people in Talossa, not necessarily that Talossan was "forbidden" from being spoken outside Talossa.

No, that was exactly the argument he was making. Namely, that people who are not already citizens need some sort of permission to be able to learn and speak Talossan, lest they commit plagiarism and copyright infringement. You can read that in the links I posted as source.