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RZ18: Aus
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Munditenens Tresplet on November 16, 2024, 05:56:14 PMI will concede, though, that a VoC which automatically results in the leader of the largest party in opposition becoming Seneschal (rather than this motion thing) would take away a lot of these arguments above, save for my belief that the voters should immediately weigh in.
Quote(6): Article VII, Section 8, which currently reads:QuoteThe Clark must contain, in every edition, a Vote of Confidence. Each MC may answer this question in his Clark ballot every month, either with a "yes" or a "no." If at the end of any Clark the "no" vote outnumbers the "yes" vote, the King shall dissolve the Cosa and call new elections.is replaced in its entirety with the following:QuoteThe Clark must contain, in every edition, a Vote of Confidence. Each MC may answer this question in his Clark ballot every month, either with a "yes" or a "no". If at the end of any Clark the "no" vote outnumbers the "yes" vote, the Leader of the Opposition shall become the Seneschal.
Quote from: Munditenens Tresplet on November 16, 2024, 01:06:11 AMWe can still have a fixed election schedule ... It would merely shift the schedule.
QuoteI think it's ridiculous to suggest that the remedy for no confidence in a government would not be to call for an immediate election, but rather just to have the current Cosa try to elect a new Seneschal. Especially when each motion requires a candidate to be selected, meaning that the Cosa that already has no confidence in the current government must somehow solidify behind another individual?Seems to be working rather well for Norway, actually. The Storting is constitutionally required to serve its full term, but the Norwegian PM must retain the chamber's confidence.
QuoteAnd not to belabor the point, but assuming this situation arises, how bad is this government? Did the ministers resign en masse? Will Talossa's entire cabinet be led by a single individual Seneschal who doesn't possess the confidence of its parliament for several months because the King no longer possesses any power to call for early dissolution, and the Cosa no longer has the power to order it either?That situation (emphasis mine) is entirely what the motion's availability avoids in the first place.
QuoteBy the way, I won't repeat what has been said above about a motion of no confidence technically allowing for the same Seneschal candidate to be placed on each Clark, which defeats the purpose of removing the VoC. But I would point out, nothing prohibits multiple motions from being made in the same Clark for different people. (Nor should it, because forcing a first come first serve motion would encourage the government to put up a deputy for every motion just to vote them down.) Additionally, nothing prevents a single MC (hint) who isn't afraid of stirring the pot from making several no confidence motions in the same Clark each nominating another MC to be Seneschal (because nothing requires the nominated MC to accept the nomination, which would create more issues), repeating in every single Clark, until the Clarks are nothing more than entire lists of no confidence motions each time.Fair enough, I will concede that the bill as originally written does produce a better outcome. I do want to touch on the part I've italicized though -- expand on these issues you foresee.
And if we decide to make this motion non-repeatable if the same candidate is listed, then nothing stops the government from doing what I just said above, only all in the first Clark, thereby preventing anyone else from nominating anybody in a subsequent Clark.
QuoteOr, we could just keep the VoC.Sure, if a failure thereof would simply result in the Leader of the Opposition becoming Seneschal, so as to not derail the schedule.
Quote(And I forgot, if the Cosa elects a new Seneschal with 30-60 days left in a government term, would this be enough time for the outgoing government to transition the information necessary to run the country to the new Seneschal's government? Is there a known period of delay built in like there would be with, say, a general election period?)There is not, but I can see the wisdom in building in a transitional period.
Quote from: Sir Lüc on November 15, 2024, 08:40:39 AMChiming in against my own better judgement because I should really get back to work, but 1) I broadly support this bill, and 2):
Technically this provision is not applicable - a CMoNC would be a motion by its own definition, not a bill.
(Incidentally, this would also mean Senses of the Ziu are not limited by H.2.1.6.1. - a nonbinding resolution is also not a bill.)
Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on November 15, 2024, 09:00:02 AMI agree with Sir Luc that the constructive motion is exactly that, a motion, not legislation. If it isn't hoppered, the law against duplication doesn't apply. The same person could move for the same Seneschal as many times as he or she wished to under this legislation.
Quote from: Breneir Tzaracomprada on November 14, 2024, 07:40:15 PMIt was expected but is still, no less, disappointing to not see annual elections in the package. Something to keep championing, I suppose. I'm glad you've gotten this far Mic'haglh. Open Society supports this legislation.
Quote from: Munditenens Tresplet on November 14, 2024, 08:54:24 PMQuote from: Mic'haglh Autófil, SMC EiP on November 14, 2024, 05:39:26 PM#3 changes when the King may (or must, going forward) issue Writs of Dissolution.Why?
#5 removes the Seneschal's ability to request a premature Writ of Dissolution.Quote#6 alters the Organic basis of how Votes of Confidence work, creating the Constructive Motion of No Confidence in its place.I disagree with this fundamental change to how the Cosa has always operated. Also, what would prevent an MC from bringing a motion every single Clark, effectively functioning as the VoC?
QuoteA newly elected Ziu shall convene on the first day of the month after its general election, to coincide with the publication of the first Clark. Its term shall be equal to seven Clarks, subject to the provisions elsewhere in this Organic Law. During its last month, the King shall issue a Writ of Dissolution ending its term. Whenever the Cosâ may be dissolved, all its members shall resign.shall be amended to read:
QuoteA newly elected Ziu shall convene on the first day of the month after its general election, to coincide with the publication of the first Clark. Its term shall be equal to six Clarks, subject to the provisions elsewhere in this Organic Law. During its last month, the King shall issue a Writ of Dissolution ending its term. Whenever the Cosă may be dissolved, all its members shall resign.
QuoteThe Seneschal may insert between any two Clarks, or after the final Clark, a "month of recess" in which no Clark is published. No more than one "month of recess" may be declared during any one term of office.is hereby amended to read:
QuoteThe Seneschal may insert in place of any single Clark, a "month of recess" in which no Clark is published. No more than one "month of recess" may be declared during any one term of office.
QuoteThe Seneschal may appeal to the King to issue a Writ of Dissolution to dissolve the Cosa before its term has expired and call new elections. If the appeal is presented accompanied by the explicit support of members of the Cosa representing a majority of seats therein, the King shall dissolve the Cosa effective immediately or, should there be a Clark in progress, upon the completion of the Clark. If the appeal lacks such an explicit expression of support from a majority of the Cosa, the King shall not act on the appeal for a period of three days following its receipt, and shall then accede to the appeal but only if the Crown has not been presented during that time with a petition, supported by members of the Cosa representing more than half the seats therein, praying that the Cosa be not dissolved. A Writ, once issued, takes effect only at the end of the month in which it was issued, and may be rescinded before it has taken effect.is replaced in its entirety with the following:
QuoteThe King shall issue a Writ of Dissolution to dissolve the Cosă in the month of August in odd-numbered Gregorian years, and in the months of April and December in even-numbered Gregorian years. A Writ, once issued, takes effect only at the end of the month in which it was issued, and may not be rescinded before it has taken effect.
QuoteThe Seneschal shall be selected by each newly elected Cosâ. When the King is presented with a petition to appoint a Seneschal, signed by MCs who together hold a majority of seats in the Cosâ as then constituted, the person named in the petition shall be appointed by the King to be the Seneschal. Should no such petition be made by the first day of the first Clark, that Clark shall include a Ranked Choice Vote to select the Seneschal. Each party holding seats in the Cosa may nominate one candidate for this election.is amended to read:
QuoteThe Seneschal shall be selected by the Cosă, including a mandatory selection by each newly elected Cosă. Whenever the King is presented with a petition to appoint a Seneschal, signed by MCs who together hold a majority of seats in the Cosă as then constituted, the person named in the petition shall be appointed by the King to be the Seneschal. Should no such petition be made by the first day of the first Clark, that Clark shall include a Ranked Choice Vote to select the Seneschal. Each party holding seats in the Cosă may nominate one candidate for this election.
QuoteThe Seneschal has duties of the State. He may advise the King to dissolve the Cosâ and to appoint and remove members of the Cabinet, and such advice to the King shall not be refused. He may also declare war and write treaties with the approval of the Ziu, expedite the Ziu's consideration of legislation, and issue Prime Dictates.shall be amended by removal of the phrase "to dissolve the Cosâ and ".
QuoteThe Clark must contain, in every edition, a Vote of Confidence. Each MC may answer this question in his Clark ballot every month, either with a "yes" or a "no." If at the end of any Clark the "no" vote outnumbers the "yes" vote, the King shall dissolve the Cosa and call new elections.is replaced in its entirety with the following:
QuoteMembers of the Cosă may submit a Constructive Motion of No Confidence to the Clark, which shall not be subject to the normal process of legislative review. This bill is voted on by the Cosă only, and must name a specific candidate for Seneschal. Should a majority of votes cast on this bill be in support, the candidate named therein becomes Seneschal. Such a bill may not be vetoed by the King, and any Seneschal removed from office by such a bill is prohibited from becoming Seneschal again until after the passage of a general election.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 03, 2024, 04:01:17 PMQuoteThus, l'Academieu Rexhital dal Drapëuloxhà or l'Academieu Rexhital Drapëuloxhal?
The regularly derived adjective form of drapëuloxhà would be drapëuloxhanal, but that aside both would work.
Quote from: Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial, UrGP on November 02, 2024, 05:02:09 PMYeah, that works. We could also look into having a proper word for vexillology -- which could potentially be any of the following: drapëuloxhà, drapëuloxhïă, vexiloloxhà, vexiloloxhïă -- and use that in the name. (drapëuloxhanal? vexiloloxhic?)