[h2]Summary[/h2]

[th colspan=2]54th Cosâ, Clark #3 results[/th][th style=" text-align: center;"]Amendment?[/th][th]Ziu[/th][th colspan=4 style="border-left: solid 4px black; text-align: center;" ]Cosâ[/th][th colspan=4 style="border-left: solid 4px black; text-align: center;"  ]Senäts[/th]
Bill	Title	 	Result	Për	Contrâ	Abstain	Result	Për	Contrâ	Abstain	Result
[th]RZ14[/th] [a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=14"]The This Ain't it, Chief Act[/a] No (double majority needed) [td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass

[td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]109[/td][td align="center"]5[/td][td align="center"]24[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]4[/td][td align="center"]0[/td][td align="center"]2[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][/tr][tr][td][th]RZ15[/th]

[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=15"]The Seneschál Election Amendment[/a]

Yes (2/3 Cosa needed, Majority Senäts)

[td bgColor="#FF0000"  align="center"]Fail[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]133[/td][td align="center"]5[/td][td align="center"]0[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]2[/td][td align="center"]4[/td][td align="center"]0[/td][td bgColor="#FF0000"  align="center"]Fail[/td][/tr][tr][td][th]RZ16[/th]

[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=16"]The There's No Such Thing As A Free Senäts Seat Amendment[/a]

Yes (2/3 Cosa needed, 2/3 Senäts)

[td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]128[/td][td align="center"]10[/td][td align="center"]0[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]4[/td][td align="center"]2[/td][td align="center"]0[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][/tr][tr][td][th]RZ17[/th]

[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=17"]Abolition of Compulsory Voting and Determination of Legal or Actual Decease Bill[/a]

Yes (2/3 Cosa needed, Majority Senäts)

[td bgColor="#FF0000"  align="center"]Fail[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]112[/td][td align="center"]16[/td][td align="center"]10[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]2[/td][td align="center"]4[/td][td align="center"]0[/td][td bgColor="#FF0000"  align="center"]Fail[/td][/tr][tr][td]VOC[/td][td colspan="2"]Vote of Confidence[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td align="center" style="border-left: solid 4px black;"]111[/td][td align="center"]15[/td][td align="center"]N/A[/td][td bgColor="#00FF00" align="center"]Pass[/td][td colspan="4" bgcolor="#000"][/td][/tr][/table]



[h2]Cosâ  Member Votes[/h2]

[th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=0&cosa=54&clark=3&sorting=Number"]#[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=0&cosa=54&clark=3&sorting=Name"]Name[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=0&cosa=54&clark=3&sorting=Province"]Province[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=0&cosa=54&clark=3&sorting=CosaSeats.Party"]Party[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=0&cosa=54&clark=3&sorting=NumberOfVote"]Seats[/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=14&cosa=54&clark=3" target="_blank"]RZ14[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=15&cosa=54&clark=3" target="_blank"]RZ15[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=16&cosa=54&clark=3" target="_blank"]RZ16[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=17&cosa=54&clark=3" target="_blank"]RZ17[/a][/th][th][a href="/files/cosa_vote_result.php?bill=0&cosa=54&clark=3&sorting=CosaSeats.VOC"]VOC[/a][/th]
541	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=541"]Andy Park	Fiova	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=AMP" target="_blank"]AMP[/a]	11	-	-	-	-	-
210	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=210"]Audrada Rôibeardét	Fiova	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=NPW" target="_blank"]NPW[/a]	2	-	-	-	-	-
208	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=208"]Breneir Itravilatx	Florencià	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=AMP" target="_blank"]AMP[/a]	11	Për	Për	Për	Contrâ	Yes
519	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=519"]Cresti da Ion Nouacastra-Läxhirescu	Maritiimi-Maxhestic	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=AMP" target="_blank"]AMP[/a]	12	Abstain	Për	Për	Për	Yes
330	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=330"]Eiric Börnatfiglheu	Benito	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=NPW" target="_blank"]NPW[/a]	10	Për	Për	Contrâ	Abstain	No
254	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=254"]Éovart Grischun	Vuode	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=PNP" target="_blank"]PNP[/a]	13	Për	Për	Për	Për	Yes
298	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=298"]Iason Taiwos	Benito	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=NPW" target="_blank"]NPW[/a]	3	Për	Për	Për	Për	Yes
493	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=493"]Jordan Placie	Maritiimi-Maxhestic	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=AMP" target="_blank"]AMP[/a]	12	-	-	-	-	-
277	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=277"]Litz Cjantscheir	Cézembre	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=PNP" target="_blank"]PNP[/a]	12	-	-	-	-	-
101	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=101"]Martì-Paír Furxhéir	Atatûrk	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=FREEDEMS" target="_blank"]FREEDEMS[/a]	20	Për	Për	Për	Për	Yes
114	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=114"]Miestrâ Schivâ	Fiova	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=FREEDEMS" target="_blank"]FREEDEMS[/a]	20	Për	Për	Për	Për	Yes
315	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=315"]Munditenens (Dien) Tresplet	Maricopa	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=FREEDEMS" target="_blank"]FREEDEMS[/a]	12	Abstain	Për	Për	Për	Yes
61	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=61"]Mximo Carbonel	Florencià	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=MTGA" target="_blank"]MTGA[/a]	5	Contrâ	Contrâ	Për	Contrâ	No
386	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=386"]Txec Róibeard dal Nordselva	Maricopa	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=FREEDEMS" target="_blank"]FREEDEMS[/a]	20	Për	Për	Për	Për	Yes
494	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=494"]Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu	Maricopa	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/party.php?party=FREEDEMS" target="_blank"]FREEDEMS[/a]	12	Për	Për	Për	Për	-

Number of Cosâ Members : 15

[h2]Senator Votes[/h2]

[th]Province[/th][th]#[/th][th]Name[/th][th][a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=14" target="_blank"]RZ14[/a][/th][th][a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=15" target="_blank"]RZ15[/a][/th][th][a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=16" target="_blank"]RZ16[/a][/th][th][a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/bills.php?cosa=54&bill=17" target="_blank"]RZ17[/a][/th]
Atatûrk	432	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=432"]Sevastáin Pinátsch	Abstain	Contrâ	Contrâ	Contrâ
Cézembre	525	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=525"]Açafat del Val	Abstain	Contrâ	Për	Contrâ
Florencià	317	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=317"]Béneditsch Ardpresteir	Për	Contrâ	Contrâ	Contrâ
Maricopa	466	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=466"]Ian Plätschisch	Për	Për	Për	Për
Maritiimi-Maxhestic	328	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=328"]Lüc da Schir	Për	Contrâ	Për	Contrâ
Benito	96	[a href="http://www.talossa.ca/files/cit.php?cit=96"]Gödafrïeu Válcadác'h	Për	Për	Për	Për

The following members did not vote and risk losing their seats if they miss the next vote:
@Dame Litz Cjantscheir, UrN

The following member did not vote for the second consecutive time and have lost their seats:
Andy Park
@Audrada Roibeardet
Jordan Placie[/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table][/td][/tr][/table]

With due respect, this amendment had been Hoppered since December and has generated little discussion.

I am sympathetic to calls to delay Clarking a bill while discussion is ongoing (my opposition to Clarking the Electoral Roll stuff is what got the rest of the Government to lay off) but that isn’t what happened here.

A 2/3 bar in both the Ziu and the populace is a pretty high bar, but I agree there could be a better system. However, developing such a system could take years and this is a step in the right direction.

Hard disagree.

1. I'm not sure that developing a more complex system would take multiple years. It depends on how much effort supporters of the change want to put in it. Alternatively, we could probably come up with a bill that creates some extra barriers or an electoral college right now. Of course there's not much reason to assume any quick solution would be the best or even a good solution, but that's not the case for this proposal either. (Actually there seems to be pretty much a consensus that this bill would not be the best solution.)

2. Taking some time to do this is not at all a bad thing either. It's a pretty big change. At the moment, the pace of change in Talossa is leaving people behind. Activity on new witt hasn't been particularly high. Many will not even have seen this amendment yet. Of course, the government is correct that they have the right everything they've got a majority for at the rate they please, but that doesn't mean it might not be wise to take some time to do it right, and maybe take some more people along as well.

3. tbd

4. tbd

5. tbd

6 tbd

I vote per on all

I guess all could technically be interpreted to include the VoC, although that question really is an üc/non one, so I'm not 100% sure about this one. It would help if you could clarify your vote on the VoC.

With provincial activity down and not likely to recover anytime soon, the Chancery is likely to keep conducting most senatorial elections.

Also, `just recently I made a decision that cost a senator (the senator of my own province no less) her seat. Of course I would argue I did not have a real choice because I was just following the law, but it is clear that interpretations of the law can differ and others would have come to a different conclusions.

I have been very wary of even expressing a public opinion on senatorial races. What constitutes an "obvious" conflict of interest might be rather subjective. Personally I don't think the Secretary of State should also be a senator.

I do agree with the other changes proposed in this act and the other amendment.

I have just cast my votes on the 3rd Clark via the DB, and now I, Éovart Grischun MC, hereby resign my Cosa seats and from the 54th Cosa.

Some confusion about what exactly the intention is here.
I'm guessing it's not to have your MC votes count, then resign and then also vote as a Senator and have other MC's appointed who vote using the PNP seats as well, cause that probably shouldn't be possible.

I'd say either you are not an MC this clark (in which case your MC votes don't count) or you are, but then your resignation (and the corresponding MC/Senate appointments) only take effect once the clark ends.

Will include the full list soon-ish.

Post your re-assignments here...

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