Quote from: Baron Alexandreu Davinescu on October 20, 2023, 09:09:05 AMThere's no reason to rush and try to get it done when there are empty seats unless you're trying to exclude someone from the vote.

Screw it.  I'm done.  Consider this my resignation as Senator and citizen.  Slimy insinuation like this is the most toxic part of this country.

I did the best I could run a deliberative body through a weird situation.  I'm not going to stick around to get slimed on for my troubles.  Figure it out yourselves.  Bye.

@Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB

I would also remind my colleague from Florencia that the right of citizens to comment on the affairs of government is an important cornerstone of an open society.  D:na Miestra has every right, and perhaps also responsibility, to comment on parliamentary proceedings in a public forum.

For what its worth, I agree with her.  The idea that a Lord President cannot be elected unless all Senators are seated is a nonsense precedent, especially given that there are easy mechanisms for replacement should the balance of the body's will change upon the seating of a new individual.  Which the Justice also noted in your failed petition for injunction.

It would then be immensely easy to derail the Senats through a process of "strategic resignation."  Working under the assumption, as you and those who voted with you are stating, that the body should just... not conduct business if there is an absence.

Let us say, for example, that a Senator resigns.  According to the precedent we are setting, the Senats needs to suspend operations, as a province is going unrepresented.  An unscrupulous provincial executive waits until JUST BEFORE the power to name a replacement Senator lapses to Cunstaval/King, and names the recently resigned Senator.  Who is seated and then immediately resigns again.  There appears to be almost nothing in the law to prevent this.  Heck, with the way some of the provinces are functioning these days, the executive and senator could be the same person.  So the Senats is paralyzed for a full Cosa term in this way.  Which means no legislating can get done at all, again, all resting on the precedent that the Senats has set in this override vote.

And if you think "someone would never do that."  I have a bridge to sell you.

Estimats Senators,

This election is currently suspended on the outcome of this vote: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2811.new#new

It will be resumed upon the seating of the full Senate.  Until such a time, this thread will remain locked.

Estimats Senators,

The "Yes" vote on the suspension of the Mençei election has carried the issue 4 Aye/2 Nay/1 Abstain.  Therefor, by the will of this body, I declare the ongoing election of the Lord President being conducted here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2811 to be suspended until the Senator from Maricopa is seated.

Upon the seating of our colleague, we will reopen this election as it is already ongoing.  Timetable for remaining votes will be published in the vote thread at that time.

For clarity sake, note that the election is only suspended and not cancelled.  It will still need to be concluded with the nominees already in place.  I have locked the election thread for the time being.  In the interim, I would encourage my colleagues to consider how we wound up here.

On this measure, the vote currently stands:

2 Yes, 2 No, 1 Abstention

The Maricopa vacancy reduces the quorum to 7, putting majority at 3.5 or above.  Senator Plätschisch's abstention reduces majority to anything above 3.

@GV
@mpf

Please weigh in.  Or can somebody who knows them wake them up?

If the members of our August body would show up and weigh in, a lot of this could be worked out.

I vote no on this.

Quote from: mximo on October 16, 2023, 11:55:24 AMAzul,

I object to your ruling.
And ask I ask for a vote on your ruling.

Sincerely,

Mximo Carbonèl

Noted.  See here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2811.0

Estimats Senators,

Our colleague from Florencia has objected to and requested a vote upon my ruling in re: the election of the Lord President currently being conducted.  The text of my ruling can be found here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?msg=23421

The request, as I understand it, is that the election of the presiding officer shall be suspended until such a time as Maricopa's senator is seated.  I have already offered to push back the deadline by 48 hours (barring objection to such) to allow mediation time requested by Justice Cjantscheir. (Found here: https://wittenberg.talossa.com/index.php?topic=2804.0)

I feel like this falls (sort of) under Standing Rules 3.1, where the Mençei is empowered to make rulings on Senatorial eligibility, but that this can be overturned by a vote from the body.  Structurally speaking, it is the closest thing that we have in law, even if it is not a perfect fit.

This vote will run for a period of 1 week from this posting, to conclude on 10/23/23 @ 3pm Talossan time.  An affirmative vote shall suspend the election for presiding officer.  A negative will allow it to continue.  Should a majority of the body agree in one direction beforehand, this vote will conclude immediately.

@Ian Plätschisch
@mximo
@Tric'hard Lenxheir
@Glüc da Dhi S.H.
@mpf
@GV

Estimats Talossans,

The Orglaw specifies that following an election a Mençei is chosen.

The Standing Rules of the Senate specify that the Mençei shall be chosen "from among its members."  Given the injunction that prohibits the seating of the Senator from Maricopa, Mr. Vilaçafat cannot currently be said to be among the members of the Senats, and as such is ineligible to stand for the position of Mençei.

I will remind S:reus Nordselva and Davinescu that this board is for the business of the Senats, and that those who are not members of this body should refrain from engaging in debate on this floor.  I thank them for their thoughtful insight, however.

As it stands, there seems to be nothing in either the Standing Rules or Organic Law about suspending the election of a Mençei.  In the interests of fairness, keeping with the spirit of Justice Cjantsheir's injunction, and should nobody object, I will extend the voting deadline for Mençei by 48 hours.  Should Mr. Vilaçafat be seated in the interim, votes for him will be counted as such.  If not, they will be considered votes against the single eligible candidate with a quorum of 7.

Best,
Eiric S. Bornatfiglheu, Mençei

I cast my vote for Ian Plätschisch.

There are now two candidates for the office of Mençei for the 59th Cosa.

• Carlüs Éovart Vilaçafat of Maricopa
• Ian Plätschisch of Maritiimi-Maxhestic

Senators will please express their preference of candidates in this thread.  The deadline for the election is 10/20/23 at 2:30pm Talossan time.

Reminder to the chamber.  Two days remain to nominate for the Lord President.  If any one senator is nominated by a majority, we can dispense with an election.

The Honorable from MM currently holds 3 nominations.  There are currently no other candidates.

Quote from: Sir Txec dal Nordselvă, UrB on October 07, 2023, 10:43:41 AMRight now there are only 7 seated Senators while we await the tie-breaker in Maricopa.

Correct, but I am unsure as to whether the standing rules refer to the whole body, or only that which is seated.  Two additional senators will do the job in either case.

To note, the Senator from MM now holds 3 nominations of 8.  If two more senators support the nomination, we can dispense with a vote.